From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.6]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 02RIVb0l017067 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:31:37 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 01AD52166B30; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast02.extmail.prod.ext.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.55.18]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F205F2166B2B for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com [205.139.110.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CE198007C9 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:31:35 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dkim.mimecast.com; s=201903; t=1585333894; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PGAnGOuUdVOPxPCGjBXY5c1D+DSTbw1zgKgxQ2LSrjE=; b=WSrJ1uY3f47y0lwncTmne+i7yVeehfo4OD318z7LGd6/VFCHvL7flO17yC4EjhFo1vOMhT ptScghsuQQ62mqXIoabaPW33BO5J9HeLvqMRLnV9X40MBsLuUaaXZuhlnNtBwo1Wu9k7VZ AVsKLEqnasrF42oK2k4xXoaCTY3miFnhiKMM/hw79OSboGUcvEvCn0l9aaW6PjpVisrmzR 9jn168KJUNdZhFqX3T4biyCAGBKk/nAZcjMEkjyHi4L9MVK22HRgWSBiJOy+v2kw4n9UOv P3pXNIoSAiDHeA58EIrENa8S5Y/0A6EI6sKXDNqHq+z6V7UpaEzxaAAwnT0Ynw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=201903; d=dkim.mimecast.com; t=1585333894; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=DKcIymQfgx5n+mgodui4aCDjItedMJAMuyT/3WsjM65PXW099HrRBVBgtEE7JjWiJglD5z Vmh20Uud0xk4ODbwivqEwlb59Pn6Za/Et+ehmO2ikTP5PlRUdYP1GrmON1oiqAHpu6C62L ln25XRU4A4pYdVxEqgpMkR1ra2UfCwIWylZwbFfaCqdntF78haBMqJjXSF/scTtKXLRjen yRd01M+jp2P9tbKrBfU5dfsEr7lt5fiR/LPC/c3guYKI9Zf0Nix8GKJoSC3fijGFnhtedY /aEcezYOnP2g1AdSjhTCMIS/Fz9C9umq6UaLV/NDPAPFuOBi3zkapsOeohAoAw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-330-DpAV2palMhGoqDN2jXB_Ug-1; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:31:32 -0400 X-MC-Unique: DpAV2palMhGoqDN2jXB_Ug-1 Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48pr6C4xV7z1j8v for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 48pr6C1Y7Rzcbc; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48pr6C0yymzcbW for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:31:30 -0400 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Newbee Linux user introduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 02RIVb0l017067 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:31:37 -0000 You probably didn't choose gnome when you installed debian so you have the mate desktop installed. That was a very smart choice. After you've logged in inside orca, try hitting the alt key and holding that down then hit f1 key. If I am right a whole set of menus and commands will start speaking as they come up on your screen. That particular keystroke combination does not do that in gnome normally. One could force gnome into classical mode where this would work but you're probably better off not doing that especially if your machine is light on resources. On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:27:41 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Newbee Linux user introduction > > Hello, > > My name is Simon and I am from UK. > > I have been a Windows and for 13 years a mac user. I have no training in computer programming. Whatever I do know , I have learnt as I went along. I would like to give Linux a go, having failed a few years ago. But I?m quite determined to learn. I have just joined this group, and I would like to ask you to be patient with me as I may be talking nonsense or asking very basic questions. The world of Linux is very new to me and I am still very much learning the concepts and terms other experienced users take for granted. > > If you had any suggestions or pointers to any materials I might use to start, please help. I understand from my research on the subject of Linux accessibility that CLI is the way to go. I have no sight and I use speech as well as Braille. I have just managed to install Debian 10.3 distro on an old laptop Dell inspiron 640, have successfully activated Orca during the installation and completed it. I can?t yet determine whether I?m using gnome desktop or Mate, and if Gnome, whether it would be easier for me to use Mate , and if the latter is true, how I would install or choose Mate if it?s already installed. I?m not quite sure yet either exactly what the difference between the two is. I realize my Dell is 13 years old, and I will want to purchase a much newer second hand laptop as soon as I?ve saved for it. This might enable me to install something different. A friendly person on another list suggested tarch. I am beginning to research Tarch and want to be ready to use it so if there are any documents that would help me understand how Tarch works after the installation, and whether I can install it without sight, please say. > > Thank you for listening. > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list --