From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.5]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 021I7aTK001169 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:07:36 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 1AD5C83B61; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast04.extmail.prod.ext.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.55.20]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16E3C7D567 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-2.mimecast.com [205.139.110.61]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD30101A55A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dkim.mimecast.com; s=201903; t=1583086053; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ryZHdTLNZMPpPr62NaIFFmOwSJrTRtUu6FYaOVRtXPs=; b=itgMm1n1gQz/a4nyYUBCC7q4CSlkxpo7LESbnopGaUEdILG5BbSWZLdq4+OyanG//eds+q nmafh27vqWeqpXhECrX7er2pkp88HvtqpjnOAEfuYsJQ3ZGrAHpGHtryFXvWL8kTVg8dop 8v2KCMo1aW96FJk+e/VAad2uVQf06GfBsfdXiluhfMg3pmpiLTAcwqxrTfJsfOcjMKsEV+ rI41tHNdPGa7OrI/Tyl1f7jkNEx+7f/TSBy513QSYCJXjKViQnTmGvTggu75Bdjv89Gqbs n/4DnGGXns0z2v8QYU0kbl2bIPvKcwId4sVEG1zhm8DhvH8zLhcJ8jHiSiqS+A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=201903; d=dkim.mimecast.com; t=1583086053; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=T1WavW93ROlwsGSAPg2BrpQrQ5KCDNAU70B3qdg5PqN+h9nD9zeUx6WdKq8twzgBotEbL9 7lDFlKo5ectla3kwOESANduOrIFUfRb4Dwt8rqygUNBVwHSOMkjXcigw04qfVW9dP5dla/ 6ejco3e9F+AhIAJv8mtAXio7BpJTq5T3S3S2u8fgb0xRvSkmmHzFAkOrrynfyo8YhehXrz Z9d8GnYGm6X9t872gF8OyckEbgUaZ3T+ktPsyN7rnrxY/P8TXJIPMnKqw4RgAx5SxCq1z/ tvaWGoZ6483iNgjeofrUY+sJW+H/FBQx7wl8Q7ayFivfO3hO2hXhwBZWO0Ueag== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-18-SnKAihtINt22F5GGKJi3Vw-1; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 13:07:31 -0500 X-MC-Unique: SnKAihtINt22F5GGKJi3Vw-1 Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48VrpW36D7z1dTl for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 48VrpW1HWFzcbc; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48VrpW0l1xzcbW for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:07:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:07:30 -0500 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20200301111759.GA12551@abilitiessoft> <20200301173057.GA14419@abilitiessoft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.11.54.5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 021I7aTK001169 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 18:07:36 -0000 The most useful approach for accessibility users unless they use a mouse is to install startx and ratpoison and then have ratpoison run which brings up startx and startx then brings up mate. The ratpoison is a package which when you get it working makes startx accessible more so than it already is. On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:51 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? > > This is really something debian does not provide. Archlinux that can be > done with installing a few of the correct packages and I don't remember > the list now didn't save it in braille. Now, with slint you can do all > of that and that's one of the installation choices. Slint doesn't have > gnome either but does have mate. > https://slint.fr/ is the first url and search the page for accessibility > and read what you find. > > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:30:57 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? > > > > Hello, > > > > Thanks for all your suggestions. I have Debian Buster, command-line only. I may just wait until the next Debian testing is available and see if they include Mate. > > I > > will be using brltty, and no speech. > > > > This leaves one concern in my original message for discussion. I want Debian to boot into the command-line, but I want to have a command or script for starting > > the GUI when I need it. > > > > Thanks, > > John J. Boyer > > > > On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Best I can tell, Mate 1.24 is currently available in both Debian > > > Testing(aka Bull's Eye which will eventually become Debian 11) and > > > Debian Unstable(aka Sid). > > > > > > It's unlikely something as big as a new version of Mate will make it > > > into Debian 9 aka Stretch or oldstable or Debian 10 aka Buster or > > > Stable as Debian priortizes stability over cutting edge, though it > > > might make it into backports(more likely for Buster than for Stretch, > > > but I confess to not knowing how long Debian supports Oldstable when a > > > new Stable is released). > > > > > > That said, while Orca, the primary, and possibly only, graphical > > > screen reader for Linux, is officially part of Gnome and persumably > > > optimized for that environment, and probably works so well with Mate > > > due to Mate's origins as a Gnome fork(as I understand it, Gnome 3 > > > brought many controversial changes to look and feel and Mate startedas > > > a way to keep the Gnome 2.x look and feel in an updated environment), > > > Orca should, in theory, be able to work with any GTK-based Desktop > > > Environment or Window Manager, though anything QT-based(KDE chief > > > among them) is currently a bit hit or miss. > > > > > > Gnome or Mate might be the best options for a beginner as they're the > > > most well documented DEs for using them with Orca, but Knoppix using a > > > combination of LXDE and Orca when launching a full Desktop seems to > > > work well, and I've heard people have had success with the ratpoison > > > window Manager. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > --