From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.5]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 021I2vQc001063 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:57 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 12F3383B61; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast05.extmail.prod.ext.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.55.21]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EA677D567 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com [205.139.110.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3816800294 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:02:54 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dkim.mimecast.com; s=201903; t=1583085774; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=LYQ72ee5KkJWBiTfEdDe+u/ey1l61zISEWcrka74snw=; b=SxATIo1NHyvj7S91EqQqVJ6ZSnIzsvs/WAfHQQASXlajx77w3jzlbM2YGifMSV/zJ+iS17 Ul9d3BBg9TyJNrcV/qkPvOxxAcJ34QOjn7rQODrjzzaa7N8sfduBgObS81XwVguvyQTS+m jbiC4/snmMr+NmBFZcwJuQPNzpmIZxAKMEl5ci6dM62z/meNI51j7/Wk2OdjL3oEn1bWT5 m5NInWqQrgvy8UwLfzaF70zUNnR8uY4exv9GTyQhEKJPawO8dt6aocfnWyjCMQoXzrQIbv 9a0JnGuVPKS9kkxOgMXuwjayaRZ2H+FWK7y6cBN8fOeYFTN8l2Qd9uy/fc33Zw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=201903; d=dkim.mimecast.com; t=1583085774; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LHKF4pPjUfb/SJQ6VwNAadJ/PeWs03jMwKCJNHZkYJ8WBHBR9Fm+mJDHIV+6dmbBAbcPKv /MeNAc7F6kOgfxcpaYfMqxYlncsU8BCfcvchaH02w9CPv8tHTLMhZ4d8LdO+QWN+uRhhR3 W6iMdRPYF3c7leO/iv2P960krzvUZsPhz0L9MQxmFOS5/TlpDOaUtJTBPrJvyx6FVvyyF9 mx3WmjpwGP32QBW6kYSaRjPKBmDRrZNmTk0CN7ulArtfPZhGXHPxwSVNwgQYDDN+A6p9UA 3ALIjFv/wy33zj5WDZ+yNWG8zlOUigNREnv3eKwKW0reA+NpYR9OqsM1JQz4qg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-112-xnD8JLxgOB2z_rmp8Ln9BA-1; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 13:02:52 -0500 X-MC-Unique: xnD8JLxgOB2z_rmp8Ln9BA-1 Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48Vrj82cWWz1dFd for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 48Vrj80k2bzcbc; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48Vrj7747NzcbV for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:51 -0500 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? In-Reply-To: <20200301173057.GA14419@abilitiessoft> Message-ID: References: <20200301111759.GA12551@abilitiessoft> <20200301173057.GA14419@abilitiessoft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.11.54.5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 021I2vQc001063 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 18:02:57 -0000 This is really something debian does not provide. Archlinux that can be done with installing a few of the correct packages and I don't remember the list now didn't save it in braille. Now, with slint you can do all of that and that's one of the installation choices. Slint doesn't have gnome either but does have mate. https://slint.fr/ is the first url and search the page for accessibility and read what you find. On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:30:57 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? > > Hello, > > Thanks for all your suggestions. I have Debian Buster, command-line only. I may just wait until the next Debian testing is available and see if they include Mate. > I > will be using brltty, and no speech. > > This leaves one concern in my original message for discussion. I want Debian to boot into the command-line, but I want to have a command or script for starting > the GUI when I need it. > > Thanks, > John J. Boyer > > On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > Best I can tell, Mate 1.24 is currently available in both Debian > > Testing(aka Bull's Eye which will eventually become Debian 11) and > > Debian Unstable(aka Sid). > > > > It's unlikely something as big as a new version of Mate will make it > > into Debian 9 aka Stretch or oldstable or Debian 10 aka Buster or > > Stable as Debian priortizes stability over cutting edge, though it > > might make it into backports(more likely for Buster than for Stretch, > > but I confess to not knowing how long Debian supports Oldstable when a > > new Stable is released). > > > > That said, while Orca, the primary, and possibly only, graphical > > screen reader for Linux, is officially part of Gnome and persumably > > optimized for that environment, and probably works so well with Mate > > due to Mate's origins as a Gnome fork(as I understand it, Gnome 3 > > brought many controversial changes to look and feel and Mate startedas > > a way to keep the Gnome 2.x look and feel in an updated environment), > > Orca should, in theory, be able to work with any GTK-based Desktop > > Environment or Window Manager, though anything QT-based(KDE chief > > among them) is currently a bit hit or miss. > > > > Gnome or Mate might be the best options for a beginner as they're the > > most well documented DEs for using them with Orca, but Knoppix using a > > combination of LXDE and Orca when launching a full Desktop seems to > > work well, and I've heard people have had success with the ratpoison > > window Manager. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > --