From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.6]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id xBPIn4c3019660 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:49:04 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 103F92166B28; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 18:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast05.extmail.prod.ext.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.55.21]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C01A2166B27 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 18:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com [207.211.31.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4706E801E76 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 18:49:01 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dkim.mimecast.com; s=201903; t=1577299741; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=SZpwA/7WGuLkqSe5syMjATrfm+jTZg8DLmk7+F+mCTc=; b=inMol69QeQhgYNAw8IKzHgTRTy/ecfuwwOKsasrspEzmOkxrUfEQl1bO6wwwP9TXnaEM5F S+AAEer4yy4KeJ80sLXHgioZVRzdaeF4kU0/8yAQTFbxFxtFJXyDruNYTzeN/0mLaJS2q6 JwjWV9fg8Zq0IUT/yOcZVZGreZxYB8b5NoTuJyUvkH+6tIoUXN6YsN/Wmue++Brv5oo10P 6X0AdIAE3b/IybZwzTG0r8qm720YmgCu62Vqn8dvlTBAvtGaX1gjbFgifzCqemfxXNK6/8 iLR789iKjRfLX+1WRv1JuVuvvL1kTz8BakWUSo2Ikrl7pNuYYQakd9GJLqtMTA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=201903; d=dkim.mimecast.com; t=1577299741; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=byh3McjDtiAyz2ULuS8z7+4EH3gmJP4L3PMDxWuNN5bMkQ5N0WM/KwjQ1rDsnH56HWiSGY zc4WlK1VLky2Ol/GP1fAhv2JLWucbnZ8lyEYh6gF1oQ4T0RA/rg+T8nU6ekVyuEgnX54dJ pPFyxXvE9auDyPEqUcCHTNo/qTnTpKjmL1v3VqgxSaDtCgjnEBNUrwHitFWGeVydWXA416 51rd4Loj1QxDhBpY3Ovpse/pfTszcRpRfI9Gd9534ckdmsBBaFuxHlJR5r4t60wWKojSOE Of18UGMNoo0UQTU25FbmUwnrKJQg57Ebk7ddQx8ZDv5P3joJF+Jxu+bC5u9HXA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-225-cePr-uxcOSm3KsmjyfP3jA-1; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:48:59 -0500 Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47jhvG5Xtvz1G07 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 47jhvG46gvzcbc; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47jhvG3kWzzcbV for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:48:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:48:58 -0500 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: archlinux lxde ratpoison adventure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20191225111107.5a80ffdc@telaviv1.shlomifish.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MC-Unique: cePr-uxcOSm3KsmjyfP3jA-1 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id xBPIn4c3019660 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 18:49:04 -0000 since I used festival rather than espeak as the default (for some reason no flavor of speech-dispatcher likes espeak) I have to run sudo -i festival --server & before running startx. I have the ratpoison line in .xinitrc after the startlxde line and if ratpoison is running it's doing so very quietly. Now I need to read up on festival and find out how to set a default voice for it. Then I think I'll have a stable accessible lxde environment available. On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 09:55:09 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Subject: Re: archlinux lxde ratpoison adventure > > It turns out no need to phone be my eyes this time. I got lxde to start > up using startx and I got orca talking and orca is now set up. I don't > know if ratpoison came up yet. Something else is strange probably in > lxde. The alt-f2 key combination works but other key combinations you > might use in mate don't appear to work. Now I need to read up on lxde > keyboard shortcuts and then I'll start searching this system and find > out what utilities the lxde environment offers. I installed lxde rather > than lxde-gtk3 since on the archwiki lxde-gtk3 is rated as experimental > so far. I may try that environment later to compare performance with > standard lxde with respect to accessibility. > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:53:43 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > Subject: Re: archlinux lxde ratpoison adventure > > > > I'm about to phone be my eyes after this holiday and find out what's > > going on with the screen. I did a bit more reading so installed > > xorg-init and its dependencies leaving twm out and installing xterm > > since I've read ratpoison and xterm get along well enough. I got > > speech-dispatcher-git and festival working and have orca on the machine > > too. After running startx and hearing the information speak about xorg > > and having speech go silent I don't have orca coming up once alt-f2 and > > orca is run. I'll check if gsettings is on this machine and try a > > couple orca accessibility commands done by gsettings to see if those > > help before calling be my eyes though since those may help. I prefer > > logging in on command line then only starting up graphical if I need > > something graphical can do better since that way I'm already logged in. > > > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 04:11:07 > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > > Subject: Re: archlinux lxde ratpoison adventure > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 12:42:25 -0500 > > > Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > I can't yet get this combination running since ratpoison can't find a > > > > DISPLAY yet. The linux system had a command line environment earlier and > > > > had no need of a DISpLAY at that time. I'm curious to know if ratpoison > > > > will be better than xorg and I've already got ratpoison in my .xinitrc > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > ratpoison is a window manager and depends on xorg (see > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratpoison ) and does not replace it. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/ > > > Apple Inc. is Evil - https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/ > > > > > > Officer: Captain, there?s a new star system a few thousands of lightyears > > > away, and its sun has an irregular shape. > > > ? http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Star-Trek/We-the-Living-Dead/ > > > > > > Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > --