From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5GIYqkD005731 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:34:52 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 6526260461; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx09.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F3F418A21 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E529723B6 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com 7E529723B6 Authentication-Results: ext-mx09.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=panix.com Authentication-Results: ext-mx09.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mx1.redhat.com 7E529723B6 Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7FB103A2 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id BD9B914B9D; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BAD14B98 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:34:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: working with nano In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <42cf078b-c1a9-8184-1a51-930e9fa07103@verizon.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (NEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, Sender IP whitelisted by DNSRBL, ACL 203 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'166.84.1.89' DOMAIN:'mailbackend.panix.com' HELO:'mailbackend.panix.com' FROM:'jdashiel@panix.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 1.369 * (BAYES_99, BAYES_999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD) 166.84.1.89 mailbackend.panix.com 166.84.1.89 mailbackend.panix.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.38 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:34:52 -0000 I learned to touch type on something that never had electricity running through it, a Royal 440 typewriter. I had a little computer exposure before 1986 but got my first computer in that year and that was a CP/M machine too. In 1987 due to college study requirements I went over to the dark side with an IBM XT with a 32mb hard drive. Formal unix classes started in 1989 when I started working for the Navy and started using the learn utility on bsd systems. Then in 2001 Windows '98 had to be reinstalled by me without any sight using a sheet of brailled instructions every two weeks since a kernel file kept getting corrupted and that started me on a 1 year long journey with the penguin club of Southern Maryland to get linux installed and accessible. First time that happened it was with a copy of redhat 5.0 I bought at Staples. Unfortunately Staples doesn't sell Linux any more so I minimize my purchases in those stores. For those that tried vim and ran into trouble with it, you might try ex and ex is a line-oriented part of vim with all the power vi part of vim is a subset of ex. If you knew how to use edlin on dos and liked it you'll like ex. Another part of vim and this is really good if less isn't available is view that does much of what less does. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:51:45 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: working with nano > > You guys make me feel like a wet behind the ears baby(which feels kind > of weird since people on the Internet usually make me feel like a > fossil). Anyways, in 1990, all I knew about computers was how to suck > at Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 on my older sister's NES, > it was 1996 before I learned how to touch type on old Win 3.1 and DOS > machines at school, and my family's first proper PC was a Win98 > Machine. I made the switch from WinXP to Ubuntu around Ubuntu 5.10 or > 6.06 and then to Debian somewhere around 2010, but prior to my vision > failing in mid-to-late 2012, I did most of my document editing in > graphical editors only occasionally using nano to edit my sources.list > or another config file that requires root privileges. As vision loss > forced me to make heavier use of my terminal knowledge, nano became my > primary editor out of familiarity, though I'll admit it took me a > while to get use to it having different cut, copy, paste behavior from > pretty much every graphical application with a text box I've ever > used. I don't think I've ever tried emacs, but what I've tried of vi > has brought me to the conclusion that, even if it's ultimately a > superior editor, I don't have the time to learn vi well enough to use > it on par with how I already use nano. > > --