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[63.152.103.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m195sm9213127ioe.35.2017.06.01.15.31.53 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Jun 2017 15:31:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Mark Peveto Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 17:31:40 -0500 (CDT) X-X-Sender: markp@southernprince To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: living in the console. In-Reply-To: <20170601205645.GA6607@panix.com> Message-ID: References: <20170525181847.50b1a16c@bigbox.christie.dr> <5ED6A047-C99B-479C-819B-533A9B3900E4@BlueMail.com> <0BA3D3CA-0D4F-4C93-BBB6-0CE4BC9DCB29@gmail.com> <20170601205645.GA6607@panix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 211 2017-05-04) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.32]); Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:31:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.32]); Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:31:56 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.214.52' DOMAIN:'mail-it0-f52.google.com' HELO:'mail-it0-f52.google.com' FROM:'southernprince73@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 1.02 * (BAYES_50, DCC_REPUT_00_12, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS) 209.85.214.52 mail-it0-f52.google.com 209.85.214.52 mail-it0-f52.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.32 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:31:59 -0000 Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness! How can i get it? Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine running Telix, a vt100 > terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen reader. > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem cable and from > there run screen for multiple consoles. > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to > remote accounts etc. > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux > consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server. > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls from my > main keyboard. > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible > > screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's > > possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the > > dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all > > console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do > > that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files. > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36 > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > > Subject: Re: living in the console. > > > > > > I am not. > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer, > > > it is not like I can just buy a system. > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not > > > think would be such an issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I > > > find a later edition of DOS that gives me something needful. My > > > present dos package for example is only a few years old comparatively > > > speaking, has full USB > > > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent > > > for the Linux side for more than a decade now, almost 15 years or so I > > > imagine. > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can be found. > > > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative > > > detail does not exist, let alone in person training. > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not > > > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that > > > person to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious. > > > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is > > > now running Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not > > > as current. > > > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my > > > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which > > > means in person real skill. long distance has simply produced amusing > > > efforts with no progress. > > > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me > > > showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux. > > > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol! > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the > > > keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me personally is counter > > > productive. > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let > > > me get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I > > > need to review. > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the > > > need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using. > > > Long answer to as short comment, > > > Kare > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop, > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30 > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > > > > Subject: Re: living in the console. > > > > > > > > > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere. > > > > > I have no actual Linux box myself. > > > > > Kare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or > > > > > edbrowse-setup > or something like that. > > > > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup. > > > > > > The readme file will tell you all about it. > > > > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general > > > > > discussion > wrote: > > > > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried visiting > > > > > paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank page. > > > > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you > > > > > looking for > business solutions? > > > > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld. > > > > > > Will hunt some sort of manual and try again, > > > > > > Kare > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you mean to browse something just type: > > > > > > > > > edbrowse url > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > edbrowse file > > > > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed. > > > > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other > > > > > stuff. I love it. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind > > > > > general discussion > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse? > > > > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test > > > > > something. > > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general > > > > > discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with > > > > > surfraw-heavy. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone > > > > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general > > > > > discussion > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Tim here > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote > > > > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally > > > > > > > > command line linux user. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle > > > > > for much of my > > > > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some > > > > > > > > sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser. > > > > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example, > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it > > > > > usually involves piping > > > > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be > > > > > configured to > > > > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the > > > > > > > > box for you). > > > > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve rendering some > > > > > sort of markup. > > > > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice > > > > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect > > > > > it can be done in > > > > > > > > most cases. > > > > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music collection. > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on your tastes, but there are literally > > > > > dozens of music > > > > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to > > > > > > > > specify just the files you want on the command line and > > > > > it will play > > > > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more > > > > > > > > control over playback. > > > > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player > > > > > Daemon/Client that > > > > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd > > > > > > > > program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a > > > > > > > > remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, > > > > > control playback, > > > > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to > > > > > > > > particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell > > > > > and have > > > quick > > > > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys. > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI > > > > > but also has a > > > > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a > > > > > > > > pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between > > > > > them > > > pretty > > > > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection, > > > > > > > > shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a > > > > > graphical > > > player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in > > > > > something beyond text > > > > > > > > format? > > > > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits your > > > > > tastes. I personally > > > > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid > > > > > 90s so > > > that's > > > > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce > > > > > > > > some beautiful output and also has external library > > > > > support for > > > things > > > > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like > > > > > > > > some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST > > > > > > > > or the like. > > > > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels > > > > > natural to you. > > > > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert > > > > > > > > between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in > > > > > > > > Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert > > > > > to MS-Word > > > > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with > > > > > minimal loss. And > > > > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some > > > > > > > > information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many > > > > > > > > features as you've acknowledged) > > > > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all > > > > > linux has to offer > > > > > > > > in the console? > > > > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like each of > > > > > the items above, > > > > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI > > > > > but would > > > like > > > > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure. > > > > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common > > > > > command-line tools: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/ > > > > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of various > > > > > applications to try > > > > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain > > > > > > > > just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software > > > > > > > > repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try > > > > > > > > each one out. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever > > > > > decides to help > > > > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient. > > > > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & > > > > > patient bunch, so > > > > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can. > > > > > > > > > > > -tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > -- > Rudy Vener > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >