early warning I hope

early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
rebooting.
Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
of this of course without screen reader working.
I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
phone after she examined my screen.
I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
case.
Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.



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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
Debian stable maybe with backports, appimages, flatpaks and snaps packages
if needed would be better with Mate having Compiz under if low vision,
gnome-orca, brltty, espeak and so on are obviously recommended.

Debian testing is also an option but I would avoid if possible.

Ubuntu Mate however has the top out-of-the-box accessibility at a point
that blind users could nearly install linux alone without any help, their
mate menu from solus I think give them their edge, I wonder if Debian could
use it.

I was working on linux accessibility without being a coder, I tried to get
vinux and sonar linux team or similar to move to a debian base hoping to
add a few features that I kept hidden since I need to push a result as a
whole to fix various Linux issues.

Until then I sadly have to avoid to contribute or I would just make it
worse.

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 04:07, Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list@redhat.com> a écrit :

> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> rebooting.
> Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
> of this of course without screen reader working.
> I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
> phone after she examined my screen.
> I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
> the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
> the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
> case.
> Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
> one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
> The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

Re: early warning I hope

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I've never used Arch or any of its derivatives, so I can't really help
with the original poster's problem... though I would've thought the
old Kernel would've been left in place and sighted assistence could be
used to select it from GRUB or whatever alternative boot loader one is
using.

I do find the harsh criticism of Arch as an accessible Linux option
and the recommendation of Debian Stable and Ubuntu instead a bit
eyebrow raising though. Seems like half the issues people have on the
Orca Mailing list come down to Debian Stable and Ubuntu(and especially
18.04) having out-of-date accessibility stacks, and from what I've
heard over the years from various sources, Arch seems to be the most
popular alternative to Debian as a base for custom,
accessibility-focused distros.

Admittedly, I'd probably recommend Debian stable to a sighted Linux
newbie, but accessibility is one area where Debian's focus on
stability over cutting edge does more harm than good... I'd probably
recommend Knoppix running in Adriane mode to a blind person interested
in learning Linux, but it's been years since there were any official
Knoppix images with Adriane as the default boot option, and while it's
a one line edit to a single text file within the ISO to make Adriane
the default, I know no means of directly editing an ISO, and the
method I've been using to make Adriane DVDs of mount, copy, edit,
rebuild, burn is rather involved... Plus, Knoppix is only really
designed with live use in mind, so while it's amazing for system
rescue or having a portable copy of Linux, it's not the best for a
primary OS.

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hello,

Didier Spaier, Slint maintainer here.

Slint is the most accessible Linux distribution out of the box.

It can be installed wihout any sighted help, at least by someone not
afraid to type a few commands and read these documents before installing:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README.installation
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/Accessibility

I will be happy to hear differing opinions, as long as they come from
blind people who tried to install and use Slint <smile>

Best regards,

Didier
 

Le 18/02/2020 à 15:04, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> I've never used Arch or any of its derivatives, so I can't really help
> with the original poster's problem... though I would've thought the
> old Kernel would've been left in place and sighted assistence could be
> used to select it from GRUB or whatever alternative boot loader one is
> using.
>
> I do find the harsh criticism of Arch as an accessible Linux option
> and the recommendation of Debian Stable and Ubuntu instead a bit
> eyebrow raising though. Seems like half the issues people have on the
> Orca Mailing list come down to Debian Stable and Ubuntu(and especially
> 18.04) having out-of-date accessibility stacks, and from what I've
> heard over the years from various sources, Arch seems to be the most
> popular alternative to Debian as a base for custom,
> accessibility-focused distros.
>
> Admittedly, I'd probably recommend Debian stable to a sighted Linux
> newbie, but accessibility is one area where Debian's focus on
> stability over cutting edge does more harm than good... I'd probably
> recommend Knoppix running in Adriane mode to a blind person interested
> in learning Linux, but it's been years since there were any official
> Knoppix images with Adriane as the default boot option, and while it's
> a one line edit to a single text file within the ISO to make Adriane
> the default, I know no means of directly editing an ISO, and the
> method I've been using to make Adriane DVDs of mount, copy, edit,
> rebuild, burn is rather involved... Plus, Knoppix is only really
> designed with live use in mind, so while it's amazing for system
> rescue or having a portable copy of Linux, it's not the best for a
> primary OS.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I haven't played with Slint yet, but I've installed Ubuntu 18.04 on 
multiple systems with no sighted assistance whatsoever.


On 2/18/20 8:17 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Didier Spaier, Slint maintainer here.
>
> Slint is the most accessible Linux distribution out of the box.
>
> It can be installed wihout any sighted help, at least by someone not
> afraid to type a few commands and read these documents before installing:
> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README.installation
> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/Accessibility
>
> I will be happy to hear differing opinions, as long as they come from
> blind people who tried to install and use Slint <smile>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Didier
>   
>
> Le 18/02/2020 à 15:04, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>> I've never used Arch or any of its derivatives, so I can't really help
>> with the original poster's problem... though I would've thought the
>> old Kernel would've been left in place and sighted assistence could be
>> used to select it from GRUB or whatever alternative boot loader one is
>> using.
>>
>> I do find the harsh criticism of Arch as an accessible Linux option
>> and the recommendation of Debian Stable and Ubuntu instead a bit
>> eyebrow raising though. Seems like half the issues people have on the
>> Orca Mailing list come down to Debian Stable and Ubuntu(and especially
>> 18.04) having out-of-date accessibility stacks, and from what I've
>> heard over the years from various sources, Arch seems to be the most
>> popular alternative to Debian as a base for custom,
>> accessibility-focused distros.
>>
>> Admittedly, I'd probably recommend Debian stable to a sighted Linux
>> newbie, but accessibility is one area where Debian's focus on
>> stability over cutting edge does more harm than good... I'd probably
>> recommend Knoppix running in Adriane mode to a blind person interested
>> in learning Linux, but it's been years since there were any official
>> Knoppix images with Adriane as the default boot option, and while it's
>> a one line edit to a single text file within the ISO to make Adriane
>> the default, I know no means of directly editing an ISO, and the
>> method I've been using to make Adriane DVDs of mount, copy, edit,
>> rebuild, burn is rather involved... Plus, Knoppix is only really
>> designed with live use in mind, so while it's amazing for system
>> rescue or having a portable copy of Linux, it's not the best for a
>> primary OS.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>
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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Garbage!  For most of the time I have had excellent operating results
with archlinux and I'm not unique in the blind community on this count
either.  It breaks only occassionally and losOts less often than Windows.
 Windows can't even figure out the proper order to install its updates
when those become available.

n Tue, 18 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:32:04
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>
> Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
> Debian stable maybe with backports, appimages, flatpaks and snaps packages
> if needed would be better with Mate having Compiz under if low vision,
> gnome-orca, brltty, espeak and so on are obviously recommended.
>
> Debian testing is also an option but I would avoid if possible.
>
> Ubuntu Mate however has the top out-of-the-box accessibility at a point
> that blind users could nearly install linux alone without any help, their
> mate menu from solus I think give them their edge, I wonder if Debian could
> use it.
>
> I was working on linux accessibility without being a coder, I tried to get
> vinux and sonar linux team or similar to move to a debian base hoping to
> add a few features that I kept hidden since I need to push a result as a
> whole to fix various Linux issues.
>
> Until then I sadly have to avoid to contribute or I would just make it
> worse.
>
> Le mar. 18 f?vr. 2020 04:07, Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list@redhat.com> a ?crit :
>
> > I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> > rebooting.
> > Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
> > of this of course without screen reader working.
> > I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
> > phone after she examined my screen.
> > I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
> > the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
> > the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
> > case.
> > Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
> > one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
> > The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> >
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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

hello blinux.

disclaimer: since I am a TalkingArch <https://talkingarch.info>
maintainer my opinion may be biased.

> Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,

I disagree with that. Arch is perhaps more complicated than other
distributions, but with due diligence, it gives much more functionality.
also from accessibility points of view: the latest versions of packages
and the minimum number of downstream patches are of great benefit.

> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> rebooting.I can assure you that this is an isolated problem on your side. I have several machines and a server on the arch. and I didn’t have such problems.
to help I need to know: which bootloader you are using and preferably
its configs.


Sincerely, Alexander

18.02.2020 15:32, Linux for blind general discussion пишет:
> Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
> Debian stable maybe with backports, appimages, flatpaks and snaps packages
> if needed would be better with Mate having Compiz under if low vision,
> gnome-orca, brltty, espeak and so on are obviously recommended.
>
> Debian testing is also an option but I would avoid if possible.
>
> Ubuntu Mate however has the top out-of-the-box accessibility at a point
> that blind users could nearly install linux alone without any help, their
> mate menu from solus I think give them their edge, I wonder if Debian could
> use it.
>
> I was working on linux accessibility without being a coder, I tried to get
> vinux and sonar linux team or similar to move to a debian base hoping to
> add a few features that I kept hidden since I need to push a result as a
> whole to fix various Linux issues.
>
> Until then I sadly have to avoid to contribute or I would just make it
> worse.
>
> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 04:07, Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list@redhat.com> a écrit :
>
>> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
>> rebooting.
>> Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
>> of this of course without screen reader working.
>> I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
>> phone after she examined my screen.
>> I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
>> the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
>> the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
>> case.
>> Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
>> one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
>> The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>>
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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

mkinitpo with mostly default grub only thing modified in grub was to
enable the TUNE line.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:21:56
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>
> hello blinux.
>
> disclaimer: since I am a?TalkingArch <https://talkingarch.info>
> maintainer my opinion may be biased.
>
> > Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
>
> I disagree with that. Arch is perhaps more complicated than other
> distributions, but with due diligence, it gives much more functionality.
> also from accessibility points of view: the latest versions of packages
> and the minimum number of downstream patches are of great benefit.
>
> > I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> > rebooting.I can assure you that this is an isolated problem on your side. I have several machines and a server on the arch. and I didn?t have such problems.
> to help I need to know: which bootloader you are using and preferably
> its configs.
>
>
> Sincerely, Alexander
>
> 18.02.2020 15:32, Linux for blind general discussion ?????:
> > Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
> > Debian stable maybe with backports, appimages, flatpaks and snaps packages
> > if needed would be better with Mate having Compiz under if low vision,
> > gnome-orca, brltty, espeak and so on are obviously recommended.
> >
> > Debian testing is also an option but I would avoid if possible.
> >
> > Ubuntu Mate however has the top out-of-the-box accessibility at a point
> > that blind users could nearly install linux alone without any help, their
> > mate menu from solus I think give them their edge, I wonder if Debian could
> > use it.
> >
> > I was working on linux accessibility without being a coder, I tried to get
> > vinux and sonar linux team or similar to move to a debian base hoping to
> > add a few features that I kept hidden since I need to push a result as a
> > whole to fix various Linux issues.
> >
> > Until then I sadly have to avoid to contribute or I would just make it
> > worse.
> >
> > Le mar. 18 f?vr. 2020 04:07, Linux for blind general discussion <
> > blinux-list@redhat.com> a ?crit :
> >
> >> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> >> rebooting.
> >> Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
> >> of this of course without screen reader working.
> >> I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
> >> phone after she examined my screen.
> >> I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
> >> the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
> >> the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
> >> case.
> >> Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
> >> one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
> >> The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>
> >>
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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

perhaps you can boot from archiso and reinstall the kernel package. I
also advise checking the file system for errors.


Sincerely, Alexander.

18.02.2020 20:44, Linux for blind general discussion пишет:
> mkinitpo with mostly default grub only thing modified in grub was to
> enable the TUNE line.
>
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:21:56
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>>
>> hello blinux.
>>
>> disclaimer: since I am a?TalkingArch <https://talkingarch.info>
>> maintainer my opinion may be biased.
>>
>>> Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
>> I disagree with that. Arch is perhaps more complicated than other
>> distributions, but with due diligence, it gives much more functionality.
>> also from accessibility points of view: the latest versions of packages
>> and the minimum number of downstream patches are of great benefit.
>>
>>> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
>>> rebooting.I can assure you that this is an isolated problem on your side. I have several machines and a server on the arch. and I didn?t have such problems.
>> to help I need to know: which bootloader you are using and preferably
>> its configs.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely, Alexander
>>
>> 18.02.2020 15:32, Linux for blind general discussion ?????:
>>> Sorry but Archlinux is not something to use for someone blind using Linux,
>>> Debian stable maybe with backports, appimages, flatpaks and snaps packages
>>> if needed would be better with Mate having Compiz under if low vision,
>>> gnome-orca, brltty, espeak and so on are obviously recommended.
>>>
>>> Debian testing is also an option but I would avoid if possible.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu Mate however has the top out-of-the-box accessibility at a point
>>> that blind users could nearly install linux alone without any help, their
>>> mate menu from solus I think give them their edge, I wonder if Debian could
>>> use it.
>>>
>>> I was working on linux accessibility without being a coder, I tried to get
>>> vinux and sonar linux team or similar to move to a debian base hoping to
>>> add a few features that I kept hidden since I need to push a result as a
>>> whole to fix various Linux issues.
>>>
>>> Until then I sadly have to avoid to contribute or I would just make it
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Le mar. 18 f?vr. 2020 04:07, Linux for blind general discussion <
>>> blinux-list@redhat.com> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
>>>> rebooting.
>>>> Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
>>>> of this of course without screen reader working.
>>>> I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
>>>> phone after she examined my screen.
>>>> I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
>>>> the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
>>>> the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
>>>> case.
>>>> Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
>>>> one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
>>>> The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Re: early warning I hope

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Do you realize that archlinux is intended to advanced users and that a
rolling release might break things anytime when a blind user absolutely
can't use his computer if the accessibility tools he need don't work ?

On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
barely no community to help him in case of issues.

So Debian make sense since it's the base of 80% of all distributions so
it's by far the widest community so support is a no brainer, also Debian
name is stability and blinds need it at point way higher than average
end-users.

Ubuntu Mate stability is lower so LTS versions are heavily recommended for
blinds, for regular not blind end-users version 19.10 have an edge for a
few features but they should swap and keep 20.04 LTS as soon as released.

For outdated accessibility stack it's mostly false, Debian stable with
backports or Debian testing are even more updated than Ubuntu after all
Ubuntu is based from Debian testing but it's slightly outdated since they
have to make a release first.

Knoppix Adrianne is not suited for an installed setup.

For low vision users and color blinds, Mate tweak allow to add Compiz that
add color filters color inversion and magnification shortcuts.

For the rest, without knowing features I wanna implement, you may underlook
Debian but with them, it may be game changer but I won't hand my jewels
cause I need to release a whole set of ideas as a proof of concept,
otherwise idiots would waste ideas that could change everything and solve
many linux issues at the same time.

Michaël Caron Couturier


Le mar. 18 févr. 2020, à 04 h 07, Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list@redhat.com> a écrit :

> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> rebooting.
> Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
> of this of course without screen reader working.
> I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
> phone after she examined my screen.
> I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
> the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
> the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
> case.
> Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
> one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
> The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi Michaël,

let me answer to this part of your last message:

Le 19/02/2020 à 04:28, Michaël Caron Couturier a écrit :
> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
> barely no community to help him in case of issues.

Really?

For Slackware proper, there is this a very active forum:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/

For Slint specifically we recently replaced the former mailing list by a
new one, cf. this blog post:
https://slint.fr/blog/welcome-to-the-new-slint-mailing-list.html
It is very friendly and active, you can check looking at the archives
for the current month: https://www.freelists.org/archive/slint/02-2020

We have now also a mumble channel dedicated to Slint.

So your statement "no community to help in case of issues" is not true.
The Slint mailing list is even more active than the debian-accessibility
mailing list that I also follow <smile>.
I don't say that to despise Debian which indeed is a good distribution,
and Debian contributors like Samuel do an outstanding job.

As an aside indeed Slint ships Mate with mate-tweak and Compiz, and
documents how to get the best of it:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/CompizKeyBindings

Slint also allows to switch between console mode and a desktop without
loosing speech out of the box, which you can do with other distributions
only with a not obvious post-install manual configuration.

That's not to say Slint is perfect, it certainly isn't. But we all ears
to bug reports and requests for help and enhancements.

Best regards,

Didier Spaier

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I just want to say in this thread that I'm fairly new to Slint and have 
found the support very good.?? I appreciate it.


I'm not disparaging other distros, by the way.?? I've used Arch, Debian, 
and Fedora for fairly long periods.


Al


On 2/19/20 4:47 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi Micha??l,
>
> let me answer to this part of your last message:
>
> Le 19/02/2020 ?? 04:28, Micha??l Caron Couturier a ??crit :
>> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
>> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
>> barely no community to help him in case of issues.
> Really?
>
> For Slackware proper, there is this a very active forum:
> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
>
> For Slint specifically we recently replaced the former mailing list by a
> new one, cf. this blog post:
> https://slint.fr/blog/welcome-to-the-new-slint-mailing-list.html
> It is very friendly and active, you can check looking at the archives
> for the current month: https://www.freelists.org/archive/slint/02-2020
>
> We have now also a mumble channel dedicated to Slint.
>
> So your statement "no community to help in case of issues" is not true.
> The Slint mailing list is even more active than the debian-accessibility
> mailing list that I also follow <smile>.
> I don't say that to despise Debian which indeed is a good distribution,
> and Debian contributors like Samuel do an outstanding job.
>
> As an aside indeed Slint ships Mate with mate-tweak and Compiz, and
> documents how to get the best of it:
> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/CompizKeyBindings
>
> Slint also allows to switch between console mode and a desktop without
> loosing speech out of the box, which you can do with other distributions
> only with a not obvious post-install manual configuration.
>
> That's not to say Slint is perfect, it certainly isn't. But we all ears
> to bug reports and requests for help and enhancements.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Didier Spaier
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I wish slynt had a auto partition drive feature choice I don't feel 
cunfortable creating linux partitions manually



On 2/19/2020 8:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I just want to say in this thread that I'm fairly new to Slint and 
> have found the support very good.?? I appreciate it.
>
>
> I'm not disparaging other distros, by the way.?? I've used Arch, 
> Debian, and Fedora for fairly long periods.
>
>
> Al
>
>
> On 2/19/20 4:47 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hi Micha??l,
>>
>> let me answer to this part of your last message:
>>
>> Le 19/02/2020 ?? 04:28, Micha??l Caron Couturier a ??crit :
>>> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
>>> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
>>> barely no community to help him in case of issues.
>> Really?
>>
>> For Slackware proper, there is this a very active forum:
>> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
>>
>> For Slint specifically we recently replaced the former mailing list by a
>> new one, cf. this blog post:
>> https://slint.fr/blog/welcome-to-the-new-slint-mailing-list.html
>> It is very friendly and active, you can check looking at the archives
>> for the current month: https://www.freelists.org/archive/slint/02-2020
>>
>> We have now also a mumble channel dedicated to Slint.
>>
>> So your statement "no community to help in case of issues" is not true.
>> The Slint mailing list is even more active than the debian-accessibility
>> mailing list that I also follow <smile>.
>> I don't say that to despise Debian which indeed is a good distribution,
>> and Debian contributors like Samuel do an outstanding job.
>>
>> As an aside indeed Slint ships Mate with mate-tweak and Compiz, and
>> documents how to get the best of it:
>> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/CompizKeyBindings 
>>
>>
>> Slint also allows to switch between console mode and a desktop without
>> loosing speech out of the box, which you can do with other distributions
>> only with a not obvious post-install manual configuration.
>>
>> That's not to say Slint is perfect, it certainly isn't. But we all ears
>> to bug reports and requests for help and enhancements.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Didier Spaier
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

It has one, and it'll get better by the next iso release.  You run auto
to get that done.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:16:56
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>
> I wish slynt had a auto partition drive feature choice I don't feel
> cunfortable creating linux partitions manually
>
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 8:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I just want to say in this thread that I'm fairly new to Slint and have
> > found the support very good.?? I appreciate it.
> >
> >
> > I'm not disparaging other distros, by the way.?? I've used Arch, Debian, and
> > Fedora for fairly long periods.
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > On 2/19/20 4:47 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> Hi Micha??l,
> >>
> >> let me answer to this part of your last message:
> >>
> >> Le 19/02/2020 ?? 04:28, Micha??l Caron Couturier a ??crit :
> >>> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
> >>> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
> >>> barely no community to help him in case of issues.
> >> Really?
> >>
> >> For Slackware proper, there is this a very active forum:
> >> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
> >>
> >> For Slint specifically we recently replaced the former mailing list by a
> >> new one, cf. this blog post:
> >> https://slint.fr/blog/welcome-to-the-new-slint-mailing-list.html
> >> It is very friendly and active, you can check looking at the archives
> >> for the current month: https://www.freelists.org/archive/slint/02-2020
> >>
> >> We have now also a mumble channel dedicated to Slint.
> >>
> >> So your statement "no community to help in case of issues" is not true.
> >> The Slint mailing list is even more active than the debian-accessibility
> >> mailing list that I also follow <smile>.
> >> I don't say that to despise Debian which indeed is a good distribution,
> >> and Debian contributors like Samuel do an outstanding job.
> >>
> >> As an aside indeed Slint ships Mate with mate-tweak and Compiz, and
> >> documents how to get the best of it:
> >> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/CompizKeyBindings
> >>
> >>
> >> Slint also allows to switch between console mode and a desktop without
> >> loosing speech out of the box, which you can do with other distributions
> >> only with a not obvious post-install manual configuration.
> >>
> >> That's not to say Slint is perfect, it certainly isn't. But we all ears
> >> to bug reports and requests for help and enhancements.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Didier Spaier
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

in what part of the installation

do I type auto

On 2/19/2020 10:01 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> It has one, and it'll get better by the next iso release.  You run auto
> to get that done.
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:16:56
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>>
>> I wish slynt had a auto partition drive feature choice I don't feel
>> cunfortable creating linux partitions manually
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/19/2020 8:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I just want to say in this thread that I'm fairly new to Slint and have
>>> found the support very good.?? I appreciate it.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not disparaging other distros, by the way.?? I've used Arch, Debian, and
>>> Fedora for fairly long periods.
>>>
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20 4:47 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> Hi Micha??l,
>>>>
>>>> let me answer to this part of your last message:
>>>>
>>>> Le 19/02/2020 ?? 04:28, Micha??l Caron Couturier a ??crit :
>>>>> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
>>>>> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
>>>>> barely no community to help him in case of issues.
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> For Slackware proper, there is this a very active forum:
>>>> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
>>>>
>>>> For Slint specifically we recently replaced the former mailing list by a
>>>> new one, cf. this blog post:
>>>> https://slint.fr/blog/welcome-to-the-new-slint-mailing-list.html
>>>> It is very friendly and active, you can check looking at the archives
>>>> for the current month: https://www.freelists.org/archive/slint/02-2020
>>>>
>>>> We have now also a mumble channel dedicated to Slint.
>>>>
>>>> So your statement "no community to help in case of issues" is not true.
>>>> The Slint mailing list is even more active than the debian-accessibility
>>>> mailing list that I also follow <smile>.
>>>> I don't say that to despise Debian which indeed is a good distribution,
>>>> and Debian contributors like Samuel do an outstanding job.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside indeed Slint ships Mate with mate-tweak and Compiz, and
>>>> documents how to get the best of it:
>>>> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/CompizKeyBindings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Slint also allows to switch between console mode and a desktop without
>>>> loosing speech out of the box, which you can do with other distributions
>>>> only with a not obvious post-install manual configuration.
>>>>
>>>> That's not to say Slint is perfect, it certainly isn't. But we all ears
>>>> to bug reports and requests for help and enhancements.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Didier Spaier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>>

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Right after you get logged in as root before you type setup.
On Wed, 19 Feb
2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:11:58
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>
> in what part of the installation
>
> do I type auto
>
> On 2/19/2020 10:01 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > It has one, and it'll get better by the next iso release.  You run auto
> > to get that done.
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:16:56
> >> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
> >>
> >> I wish slynt had a auto partition drive feature choice I don't feel
> >> cunfortable creating linux partitions manually
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/19/2020 8:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>> I just want to say in this thread that I'm fairly new to Slint and have
> >>> found the support very good.?? I appreciate it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not disparaging other distros, by the way.?? I've used Arch, Debian,
> >>> and
> >>> Fedora for fairly long periods.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Al
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/19/20 4:47 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>> Hi Micha??l,
> >>>>
> >>>> let me answer to this part of your last message:
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 19/02/2020 ?? 04:28, Micha??l Caron Couturier a ??crit :
> >>>>> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
> >>>>> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
> >>>>> barely no community to help him in case of issues.
> >>>> Really?
> >>>>
> >>>> For Slackware proper, there is this a very active forum:
> >>>> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
> >>>>
> >>>> For Slint specifically we recently replaced the former mailing list by a
> >>>> new one, cf. this blog post:
> >>>> https://slint.fr/blog/welcome-to-the-new-slint-mailing-list.html
> >>>> It is very friendly and active, you can check looking at the archives
> >>>> for the current month: https://www.freelists.org/archive/slint/02-2020
> >>>>
> >>>> We have now also a mumble channel dedicated to Slint.
> >>>>
> >>>> So your statement "no community to help in case of issues" is not true.
> >>>> The Slint mailing list is even more active than the debian-accessibility
> >>>> mailing list that I also follow <smile>.
> >>>> I don't say that to despise Debian which indeed is a good distribution,
> >>>> and Debian contributors like Samuel do an outstanding job.
> >>>>
> >>>> As an aside indeed Slint ships Mate with mate-tweak and Compiz, and
> >>>> documents how to get the best of it:
> >>>> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/CompizKeyBindings
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Slint also allows to switch between console mode and a desktop without
> >>>> loosing speech out of the box, which you can do with other distributions
> >>>> only with a not obvious post-install manual configuration.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not to say Slint is perfect, it certainly isn't. But we all ears
> >>>> to bug reports and requests for help and enhancements.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Didier Spaier
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>
> >>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Archlinux has a track record such that accessibility tools break rarely
at most.
Since I have another type of system on another solid state drive I can
use archlinux with a large degree of safety.
Now, this is going to set your hair on fire.  I have even had good luck
with many packages from the aur repository.
Also, I got that archlinux system reinstalled and am thinking the solid
state disk in use may be near its time to retire and be replaced.
I had started using Unix in 1989 and learned some of the basics on the
bsd learn program.  Unfortunately it is now abandonware but the system I
accessed had it fully operational.
First graphical user interface I ran was gnopernicus with gnome so I've
been using linux for a few minutes.

Slackware accessibility has excellent support on slint@freelists.org.
It had support on the speakup list earlier and the
slackware@yahoogroups.com list until that list got taken over by
lesbians and that wiped that forum out.  The userlocal.com website and
linuxquestions.com website have good slackware support forums on them
too.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 22:28:24
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: early warning I hope
>
> Do you realize that archlinux is intended to advanced users and that a
> rolling release might break things anytime when a blind user absolutely
> can't use his computer if the accessibility tools he need don't work ?
>
> On the other side, Slint is Slackware based, out of the 5 majors
> distributions bases, it's one of the two far less used so the user have
> barely no community to help him in case of issues.
>
> So Debian make sense since it's the base of 80% of all distributions so
> it's by far the widest community so support is a no brainer, also Debian
> name is stability and blinds need it at point way higher than average
> end-users.
>
> Ubuntu Mate stability is lower so LTS versions are heavily recommended for
> blinds, for regular not blind end-users version 19.10 have an edge for a
> few features but they should swap and keep 20.04 LTS as soon as released.
>
> For outdated accessibility stack it's mostly false, Debian stable with
> backports or Debian testing are even more updated than Ubuntu after all
> Ubuntu is based from Debian testing but it's slightly outdated since they
> have to make a release first.
>
> Knoppix Adrianne is not suited for an installed setup.
>
> For low vision users and color blinds, Mate tweak allow to add Compiz that
> add color filters color inversion and magnification shortcuts.
>
> For the rest, without knowing features I wanna implement, you may underlook
> Debian but with them, it may be game changer but I won't hand my jewels
> cause I need to release a whole set of ideas as a proof of concept,
> otherwise idiots would waste ideas that could change everything and solve
> many linux issues at the same time.
>
> Micha?l Caron Couturier
>
>
> Le mar. 18 f?vr. 2020, ? 04 h 07, Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list@redhat.com> a ?crit :
>
> > I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> > rebooting.
> > Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
> > of this of course without screen reader working.
> > I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
> > phone after she examined my screen.
> > I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
> > the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
> > the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
> > case.
> > Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
> > one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
> > The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> >
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> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

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Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Speaking as the one who first mentioned Knoppix, I thought I did a
decent job of admitting it's shortcomings... most of which have little
to do with accessibility and everything to do with it being intended
as a live-only distro... Though, for what it's worth, it's the only
live distro I can remember hearing of that can be booted from DVD and
come up talking without any user input(though again, since the CD
edition was discontinued, such has required a bit of micro remastering
starting from the official images, which I fully confess isn't the
most newbie friendly thing to do). My running system is based on a
hard drive install of Knoppix despite all the reasons not to do so,
but I find SBL's screen navigation super intuitive whereas espeakup's
makes me wonder if that's how someone who grew up in the era of the
GUI feels when they encounter their first command prompt as an adult,
plus I like being able to launch Firefox without launching a full
desktop and having good, old LXDE waiting for me on the rare occasions
I need a full desktop. Would gladly switch to vanilla Debian if I had
any clue how to get SBL running as default console screen reader and
could figure out launching a single application graphical session with
orca. As for the stability of my setup, I take full responsibility for
most of the breakages that force me to boot Knoppix from DVD and
restore my root partition from backup and the fact I don't create such
backups nearly as often as I should, but then again, I'm a bit of an
incessant tinker.

Overly long commentary on my chosen distro aside, I think an important
point to remember here is that many of us are experienced Linux users
and were so prior to having any reason to care about Linux
accessibility. Much of what we consider straight forward and intuitive
might seem intimidating to a Linux oldbie suffering sight loss, or
downright terrifying to a blind user dipping their toes in Linux for
the first time(and I realize this list has both, but I'd expect those
groups to be asking about accessible distros rather than giving
opinions thereof), and speaking more generally, what seems obvious and
intuitive to an insider on any subject can be downright esoteric to an
outsider looking in.

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I help manage a massively active Linux community of over 100k members for
near a decade, I barely recall to have seen any Slackware user, Linux
questions website is one of oldest linux ressources and got around 15
slackware questions per day in the last two days but only 8 questions on
maybe 30 got answered so it's up to debate ... (Slackware is 7 of 250
active distros about 2.8% of Linux as a whole, while Debian is the base of
120 of 250 distros so 48% of Linux on a quick check)

Debian don't focus on accessibility so the mailing list might obviously be
less active but overall it's the support of a community that matter for
quick troubleshooting.

Stop making like distro hopping wars that are plain stupid, Slint seem to
lack the magnification gain of Compiz, make color filters and color
inversion more tedious so apart the move from console to gui maybe easier,
not sure how it compete with just ubuntu mate.

My aim with trying to merge Vinux and Sonar while adding new content would
have fixed that stupid fragmentation that does nothing to help end-users
but it has to be done the right way.

That Archlinux accessibility tools rarely break isn't enough, for a blind
user his system can't break, like a phone for 911, like tv or game
consoles, think critical server that can't be offline for decades or just a
pacemaker if you don't understand well how it matter.

Obviously that this stupid elite thinking that make me keep my jewels that
I could contribute cause they would be badly used and it would be done the
opposite way that what would needed to do ...

Michaël Caron Couturier


Le mar. 18 févr. 2020, à 04 h 07, Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list@redhat.com> a écrit :

> I just ran a kernel update a few minutes ago on archlinux and tried
> rebooting.
> Some uuid cannot be found and I got thrown into an emergency shell.  All
> of this of course without screen reader working.
> I found this out as a result of talking to a be my eyes volunteer on the
> phone after she examined my screen.
> I have no idea what caused that and have minimal usb stuff connected to
> the computer.  I had disconnected a flash drive from the computer thinking
> the flash drive was the cause of the missing uuid but that wasn't the
> case.
> Fortunately I use solid state drives and have another different system on
> one of them or I'd be offline for a while.
> The volunteer didn't read me the long number after that uuid error.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

Re: early warning I hope

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hello,

Maybe I shouldn't answer again, but here goes.

Le 19/02/2020 à 21:30, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> I help manage a massively active Linux community of over 100k members for
> near a decade, I barely recall to have seen any Slackware user

That's because Slackware users use LinuxQuestions to get support.

Also, genuine Slackware is not accessible (but for users of hard
synthesizers and some people remember that it was the very first to
ship a kernel with speakup). But Slint is.

> Linuxquestions website is one of oldest linux ressources and got
> around 15 slackware questions per day in the last two days but only 8
> questions on maybe 30 got answered so it's up to debate ...

Most Slackware users find answers to their questions on LQ. This only
matters, not the statistics.

> Slackware is 7 of 250 active distros about 2.8% of Linux as a whole,
> while Debian is the base of 120 of 250 distros so 48% of Linux on a
> quick check

Hit per days @ distrowatch.com I assume. Who cares, but the professional
distro-hoppers? I don't care how "popular" is Slint (it is not even
listed by Distrowatch as I didn't request that), as long at it helps its
user base, as small as it be.

> Debian don't focus on accessibility so the mailing list might obviously be
> less active but overall it's the support of a community that matter for
> quick troubleshooting.

Agreed, fortunately I don't hear much complaints if any about this
support coming from Slackware or Slint users.

> Stop making like distro hopping wars that are plain stupid

Isn't it what you are just doing?

> Slint seem to lack the magnification gain of Compiz, make color filters
> and color inversion more tedious

This is plain wrong. For instance in Slint Compiz has eZoom enabled by
default. Here are the accessibility settings of Compiz in Slint:

---

2. Category Accessibility

[addhelper] Dim inactive (less light on non focused windows)
toggle_key = <Super>p

[colorfilter] (Filter color for accessibility purposes)
toggle_window_key = <Super><Alt>f
toggle_screen_key = <Super><Alt>d
switch_filter_key = <Super><Alt>s

[ezoom] Enhanced Zoom Desktop
zoom_in_button = <Super>Button4
zoom_out_button = <Super>Button5
zoom_box_button = <Super>Button2 (zoom out to go back to normal)

[neg] Negative (toggle inverse colors of the window or screen)
window_toggle_key = <Super>n
screen_toggle_key = <Super>m

[obs] Opacity, Brightness and Saturation adjustments
opacity_increase_button = <Alt>Button4
opacity_decrease_button = <Alt>Button5

[showmouse] (Increase visibility of the mouse pointer)
initiate = <Super>k

---

> so apart the move from console to gui maybe easier,
> not sure how it compete with just ubuntu mate.

that's a matter of opinion, I respect yours (even though I am not sure
you ever tried Slint to compare).

> My aim with trying to merge Vinux and Sonar while adding new content would
> have fixed that stupid fragmentation that does nothing to help end-users
> but it has to be done the right way.

Good luck in the endeavor. 

> That Archlinux accessibility tools rarely break isn't enough, for a blind
> user his system can't break, like a phone for 911, like tv or game
> consoles, think critical server that can't be offline for decades or just a
> pacemaker if you don't understand well how it matter.

Who ever claimed that Archlinux fits such use cases? But I do know
blind people who like it. No distribution fits all users and use cases.

> Obviously that this stupid elite thinking that make me keep my jewels that
> I could contribute cause they would be badly used and it would be done the
> opposite way that what would needed to do ...

I won't comment on this statement.

> Michaël Caron Couturier

Have a good day,

Didier Spaier