From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0412F110 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id eAA1g1p18353 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:42:01 -0500 Received: from unix01.voicenet.com (qmailr@unix01.voicenet.com [209.71.48.250]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eAA1g1D18349 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:42:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 29031 invoked by uid 3810); 10 Nov 2000 01:41:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: Luke Davis X-Sender: ldavis@unix01 To: Blinux Subject: Re: FAQ Suggestions/Perceptions from a Novice--worth 2 cents. In-Reply-To: <200011100040.QAA06810@sugarbeet.ultimanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta4 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion Good day, Gary: I am not going to answer all of your questions, by far. However, I think there are a few things with which I can help you. Please do not take any offense at anything I say here: I am going to be extremely blunt with the below. 1. There seems to be more going on here, than just an inability to make Linux work for you. Some of the things you state in your message, lead me to believe that there are things you do not know about Unix, Linux, and its programs an utilities, that you really aught to. 2. I happen to agree with you regarding Emacs. Some of us like it, and some of us will take great lengths to avoid it. I fall into the latter category: I have used Linux since 1995, and have not yet found a use for it. For general text file editing in Linux and Unix, I use the program "pico". It is very basic, very simple, and there is a menu of commands at the bottom of the screen if you are not familiar with its operation in any respect. Try it. 3. You state that you are using elm under Unix. That is fine, but I would suggest you take a look at pine. It does not have the Y2K problem you reference, and the latest versions have many very nice features. For the most part, it is menu-driven (the keyboard accesses everything, but there is always a list of commands at the bottom of, and some times in other places on, the screen for easy reference). There are cassette tutorials available on its use; contact me for more information if you require them. 4. I do not know the version of lynx that you have, but I suspect it is somewhat older than current. Even if this is the case, however, it does have the following feature. If you want to acquire a full copy of any web page, press "p" while viewing that web page or document. That will take you into the lynx printing option screen. The first such option is "save to file on disk", the second is "send the file via e-mail", and the third is "scrole the file". It is the third option you would use if you wanted to do a capture on the file: the entire page would scroll, top to bottom, up your screen for commo to capture. I do not advise this, however, because of option 1. Selecting option 1, will allow you to write the page to a file. To do this, press control and "u" (to erace the current proposed name), and type some file name you like, such as "file.txt". Press enter after that, and you will be returned to the document. Once you leave lynx, type the following at your shell prompt: sz file.txt That will send the file to your commo download directory (I can tell you how to set that privately, if you wish). At that point: the entire page will be available for your use in what ever situation you see fit. While you had it on the Unix system, you could have done this: pico file.txt to edit that file, to remove the name of links, etc. Do you also know that you can have links numbered in lynx, so you need only type the number of the link you wish? The same can be done with form fields and such, which may halp you with searching. 5. Regarding web searches: you may do better using: http://www.google.com 6. Regarding what you said about 4dos: other than the "except" feature, the Linux shells are quite a bit more powerful, and even one of their most basic, supports the 4dos features. 7. Cheapbytes.com works fine with lynx. Either your ISP's version of lynx is extremely old, or you may need some further education on the operation of lynx. 8. The Linux DOS Emulater, is not something a new Linux user should tackle. I tried it a year or two ago, and failed. I do not claim to be an expert, but it could have been better documented. It may be so now, but I have not recently evaluated the program. I may have more to say later; but this should help a bit, I believe. Luke