From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.13]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5N1qnsk032125 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:52:49 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 20D696FF0C; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 01:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx06.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E6A6FEF4 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 01:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (server2.shellworld.net [66.172.12.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32CEA42BCE for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 01:52:46 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com 32CEA42BCE Authentication-Results: ext-mx06.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=shellworld.net Authentication-Results: ext-mx06.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=klewellen@shellworld.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mx1.redhat.com 32CEA42BCE Received: by server2.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 8E4258C049F; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 01:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB038C03F9 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:46:09 -0400 (EDT) To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Roku accessibility (was Re: Youtube TV Site?) 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The success criteria requires a site to support all current and future tools. Lynx is current as of what two weeks ago? Links, and e-links are not actually text based, just text friendly. If developers are excluding populations, many in countries where Internet bondage is an issue use them as well, it is perhaps because of plug & play blind person concepts. those perpetuated, more often than not, by those who feel that all blind people are the same using the same tools. Chimes, let me go back and look at where Paul is sending you. Karen On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Well, I should note that text based browsers are usually no longer considered > when trying to develop accessible websites, so your mileage will vary greatly > when using a text-based browser, even when a site can be accessed with no > trouble using Firefox, Seamonkey or Chromium. For example, whereas you had > problems accessing the links I posted earlier, I had no trouble at all > accessing them in Firefox. I would copy and paste the information from the > channel contact list I posted, but this relies on having a link to the > contact or support page for each channel listed, and once you get there, even > if I was to be able to copy and paste each link, the contact or support page > will likely be unfriendly to text only browsers, as they don't adhere to > current HTML standards. Sorry for the trouble, it's just the way even the w3c > handles things now as far as I can tell. > > After doing a rather thorough search for Roku accessibility groups or blind > Roku users, I find only a single post on a blind tech list that refers to > what would appear to be an early model Streaming Stick available at Walmart > last year. So I'll likely start an e-mail list or similar. Thoughts are > welcome, i.e. should this be specific to Roku devices for the most part, or > should it cover all accessible TV devices including the latest cable box > offerings? In answering this question, it is important to note that the > Chromecast and Android TV devices are on topic on the eyes-free Android list, > and the Apple TV is on topic on AppleVis. About the only thing I can think of > at this point that isn't covered elsewhere is the Amazon Fire TV line, > including the Fire TV Stick, the Fire TV box and the up and coming Fire TV > with Alexa, the one that's a complete TV that is said to be released in the > coming months, not the device that connects to an existing TV. Of course > there are also the LG and Samsung TV's that have accessibility built into > their high end models, and they are also not covered anywhere as far as I > know, although they have varying levels of accessibility and different > methods of accessing screen reader/audible guide features. In any case, if a > general accessible TV list is most desirable, then a general accessible TV > list it will be, although that will quickly go all over the map, so may be > harder to manage, since too many devices with too much variation in features > and methods of access could become problematic. > > The next question would be the format. Is it to be an e-mail list, a forum, a > group on a social media platform, ...? What type of moderation, if any, do we > want? Should it be a strictly on topic list or group, or should it be very > loose and relaxed? Just some starter thoughts. Feel free to answer any > questions or ask questions of your own. > ~ Kyle > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >