re: living in the console

re: living in the console

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Mark Peveto here,
I think i'm gonna put my dos project on hold for now, and concentrate on learning the linux console as best I can.  It's not much different than the dos
environment, so we'll see how I go there.  Seems free dos is a bad choice, and I can't find anything else to use at the moment, so for now I'll just
hang out in the linux console and learn how to live there.
Thanks for everyone's input.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

Re: living in the console

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Oh, I have experienced on both environments and I can tell you that BASH 
is way more powerful than any version of DOS, and the same is true for 
just about any shell I have ever heard of.


But they are equivalent in the sense that they are both accessible and 
in the case of Linux shell, worth learning and playing with.


Fernando



On 06/03/2017 10:30 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Mark Peveto here,
> I think i'm gonna put my dos project on hold for now, and concentrate on learning the linux console as best I can.  It's not much different than the dos
> environment, so we'll see how I go there.  Seems free dos is a bad choice, and I can't find anything else to use at the moment, so for now I'll just
> hang out in the linux console and learn how to live there.
> Thanks for everyone's input.
> And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
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re: living in the console

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While I can agree that freedos might be a poor choice, I do not share your 
thought that Dos and Linux console are the same environment.
Speaking only for myself, at least as I have managed to experience things 
in such a limited way, often it takes three Linux programs to do the work 
of one DOS one.
I  joked  on the Debian development list that  to clap my hands In Linux 
I 
would  need one program for the right, one for the left, and one to bring 
the hands together.
and do not get me started on Linux command  sequences, laughs.
  In fact, personally that is why objective third party learning materials 
books for example, would be helpful for new users in general.
dos commands tend to do the same things, with universal files like 
autoexec.bat and config.sys doing the heavy lifting where loading and 
unloading   drivers and the like are concerned.
In Linux, you must know already, or learn with risks to your system how to 
do things.
When I started using DOS, I trained for two days in person with someone 
and have built on that training for decades.  Something comparative just 
does  not exist for Linux in my view.
And I would gladly pay for it, if it did.
Happy linuxhousewarming though,
Kare


On Sat, 3 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Mark Peveto here,
> I think i'm gonna put my dos project on hold for now, and concentrate on learning the linux console as best I can.  It's not much different than the dos
> environment, so we'll see how I go there.  Seems free dos is a bad choice, and I can't find anything else to use at the moment, so for now I'll just
> hang out in the linux console and learn how to live there.
> Thanks for everyone's input.
> And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

re: living in the console

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Actually I agree with Karen, even though I have been in Linux since 2003, but 
subscribing to shell accounts since 1995. Sure Linux is powerful and because its 
case sensative you can have practicly unlimited amount of file names. My 
problems are ways which man-pages are written. They really don't adequately 
explain to a new user how to use a command. I think I remember the DOS help 
system much simpler. 1 of our LUG members suggested this user driven Linux 
application, called "bro" from
www.bropages.org
Since I don't have it installed on this laptop, I cannot show an example, but 1 
which I contributed, if you were to type
bro unrar
1 of those 4 suggestions was about useing a wild-card.
In general I was eventually able to understand a DOS batch file, but especially 
since I am not a fan  of punctuation, when Linux man-pages show examples, I tend 
to take them quite literally.
And lastly, I would still love to run my DecTalk U S B with Vocal-Eyes, where I 
was able to enjoy a large exception dictionary. Thanks for listening
Chime

living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Mark Peveto here.
Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally command line linux user.  I know there are those who've done it, but i simply have
not known how.  Now that I'm trafficing in hardware synths that don't work in the GUI, that desire has increased.
How would I print to my printer for example, or play an entire album from my music collection.  How, also, would I create documents in
something beyond text format?  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer in the console?
I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help me is gonna hafta be patient.  My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think I'm
still up to the challenge.


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Well Mark, as far as music, you would just use either mpv, madplay, mplayer, or 
other players, with a wild-card.
Chime

Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Tim here

Mark Peveto wrote
> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> command line linux user.

I'm mostly there.  Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
day-to-day use.  Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.

> How would I print to my printer for example,

It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
things to the "lp" ("line printer") program.  It can be configured to
use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
box for you).

Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
docs from the command-line to the printer.

I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
most cases.

> play an entire album from my music collection.

It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
players.  Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
them.  Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
control over playback.

There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI.  The mpd
program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
etc.  I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
access to common commands with my media-keys.

Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
remote-control interface like mpd/mpc.  I start up tmux and have a
pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.


> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
> format?

usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes.  I personally
have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
what I reach for.  But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
or the like.

I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss.  And
it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
features as you've acknowledged)

> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
> in the console?

One program at a time (grins).  So much like each of the items above,
it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.

I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:

http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/

that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
out.  Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
just right.  They should all be free and are likely in most software
repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
each one out.

> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
> me is gonna hafta be patient.  

The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
we'll be glad to help where we can.

-tim

Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.

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On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:

Tim here 

Mark Peveto wrote 
Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally 
command line linux user. 

I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my 
day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some 
sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser. 

How would I print to my printer for example, 

It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping 
things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to 
use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the 
box for you). 

Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup. 
There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice 
docs from the command-line to the printer. 

I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in 
most cases. 

play an entire album from my music collection. 

It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music 
players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to 
specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play 
them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more 
control over playback. 

There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that 
runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd 
program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a 
remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback, 
etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to 
particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick 
access to common commands with my media-keys. 

Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a 
remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a 
pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty 
readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection, 
shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player. 


How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text 
format? 

usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally 
have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's 
what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce 
some beautiful output and also has external library support for things 
like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like 
some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST 
or the like. 

I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you. 
Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert 
between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in 
Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word 
format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And 
it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some 
information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many 
features as you've acknowledged) 

How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer 
in the console? 

One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above, 
it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like 
to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure. 

I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools: 

http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/ 

that can point you in the direction of various applications to try 
out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain 
just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software 
repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try 
each one out. 

I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help 
me is gonna hafta be patient. 

The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so 
we'll be glad to help where we can. 

-tim 




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Re: living in the console.

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Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
Karen


On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>
> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Tim here
>
> Mark Peveto wrote
> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> command line linux user.
>
> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>
> How would I print to my printer for example,
>
> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> box for you).
>
> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>
> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
> most cases.
>
> play an entire album from my music collection.
>
> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> control over playback.
>
> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>
> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
>
>
> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
> format?
>
> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> or the like.
>
> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> features as you've acknowledged)
>
> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
> in the console?
>
> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>
> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>
> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>
> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> each one out.
>
> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>
> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>
> -tim
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

If you mean to browse something just type:

edbrowse url
or
edbrowse file

Then you can use the same commands as ed.

edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.


On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:

Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
Karen


> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
> 
> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> Tim here
> 
> Mark Peveto wrote
> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> command line linux user.
> 
> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
> 
> How would I print to my printer for example,
> 
> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> box for you).
> 
> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
> docs from the command-line to the printer.
> 
> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
> most cases.
> 
> play an entire album from my music collection.
> 
> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> control over playback.
> 
> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
> access to common commands with my media-keys.
> 
> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
> 
> 
> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
> format?
> 
> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> or the like.
> 
> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> features as you've acknowledged)
> 
> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
> in the console?
> 
> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
> 
> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
> 
> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> 
> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> each one out.
> 
> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
> me is gonna hafta be patient.
> 
> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
> we'll be glad to help where we can.
> 
> -tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: living in the console.

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Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just got 
a series  of numbers and a blank page.
Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for 
business solutions?
Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
Kare


On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> If you mean to browse something just type:
>
> edbrowse url
> or
> edbrowse file
>
> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>
> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.
>
>
> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
> Karen
>
>
>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>>
>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tim here
>>
>> Mark Peveto wrote
>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>> command line linux user.
>>
>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>
>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>
>> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>> box for you).
>>
>> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>
>> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
>> most cases.
>>
>> play an entire album from my music collection.
>>
>> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>> control over playback.
>>
>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>
>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
>>
>>
>> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
>> format?
>>
>> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
>> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>> or the like.
>>
>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>> features as you've acknowledged)
>>
>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
>> in the console?
>>
>> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>
>> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>>
>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>
>> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>> each one out.
>>
>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>
>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>
>> -tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup or something like that.
Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
The readme file will tell you all about it.


On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:

Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for business solutions?
Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
Kare


> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> If you mean to browse something just type:
> 
> edbrowse url
> or
> edbrowse file
> 
> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> 
> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
> Karen
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>> 
>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim here
>> 
>> Mark Peveto wrote
>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>> command line linux user.
>> 
>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>> 
>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>> 
>> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>> box for you).
>> 
>> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> 
>> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
>> most cases.
>> 
>> play an entire album from my music collection.
>> 
>> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>> control over playback.
>> 
>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> 
>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
>> 
>> 
>> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
>> format?
>> 
>> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
>> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>> or the like.
>> 
>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>> features as you've acknowledged)
>> 
>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
>> in the console?
>> 
>> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>> 
>> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>> 
>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> 
>> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>> each one out.
>> 
>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> 
>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> 
>> -tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
I have no actual Linux box myself.
Kare


On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup or something like that.
> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> The readme file will tell you all about it.
>
>
> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for business solutions?
> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
> Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> Kare
>
>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> If you mean to browse something just type:
>>
>> edbrowse url
>> or
>> edbrowse file
>>
>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>
>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>>>
>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim here
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto wrote
>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>>> command line linux user.
>>>
>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>>> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>
>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>
>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>>> box for you).
>>>
>>> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>
>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
>>> most cases.
>>>
>>> play an entire album from my music collection.
>>>
>>> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>>> control over playback.
>>>
>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>
>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>>> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>>> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
>>>
>>>
>>> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
>>> format?
>>>
>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>>> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>>> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>>> or the like.
>>>
>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>>> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>>> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>>> features as you've acknowledged)
>>>
>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
>>> in the console?
>>>
>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>>
>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>>>
>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>
>>> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>>> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>>> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>>> each one out.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>
>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>
>>> -tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ 
is one good source.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> I have no actual Linux box myself.
> Kare
>
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup or 
>> something like that.
>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just got a 
>> series  of numbers and a blank page.
>> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for 
>> business solutions?
>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>> Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you mean to browse something just type:
>>> 
>>> edbrowse url
>>> or
>>> edbrowse file
>>> 
>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>> 
>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Tim here
>>>> 
>>>> Mark Peveto wrote
>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>>>> command line linux user.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>>>> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>> 
>>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>> 
>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>>>> box for you).
>>>> 
>>>> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
>>>> most cases.
>>>> 
>>>> play an entire album from my music collection.
>>>> 
>>>> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
>>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>>> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>>>> control over playback.
>>>> 
>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>>> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>>> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>>> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>>>> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>>>> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
>>>> format?
>>>> 
>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
>>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>>>> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
>>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>>>> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>>>> or the like.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>>>> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>>>> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>>> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>>>> features as you've acknowledged)
>>>> 
>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
>>>> in the console?
>>>> 
>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>>> 
>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>>>> 
>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>> 
>>>> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>>>> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>>>> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>>>> each one out.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>> 
>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>> 
>>>> -tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I am not.
since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer, it 
is not like I can just buy a system.
That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not 
think 
would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I find a 
later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My  present dos 
package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has 
full USB
  support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent 
for the Linux side for 
more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative 
detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.

I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not 
to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person 
to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now 
running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as 
current.
I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my 
specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means in 
person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with 
no progress.
My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me 
showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!

besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the 
keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter 
productive.
My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me 
get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to 
review.
Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need 
to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
Long answer to as short comment,
Kare


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is 
> one good source.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>  Kare
>> 
>>
>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup 
>> >  or something like that.
>> >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just 
>> >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>> >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for 
>> >  business solutions?
>> >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>> >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> >  Kare
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > 
>> > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > 
>> > >  edbrowse url
>> > >  or
>> > >  edbrowse file
>> > > 
>> > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > 
>> > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
>> > >  Karen
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > >  Tim here
>> > > > 
>> > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>> > > >  command line linux user.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
>> > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>> > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > 
>> > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
>> > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
>> > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>> > > >  box for you).
>> > > > 
>> > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
>> > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even 
>> > > >  Word/LibreOffice
>> > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
>> > > >  most cases.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
>> > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
>> > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>> > > >  control over playback.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
>> > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
>> > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have 
>> > > >  quick
>> > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
>> > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>> > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them 
>> > > >  pretty
>> > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical 
>> > > >  player.
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > >  How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
>> > > >  format?
>> > > > 
>> > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
>> > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so 
>> > > >  that's
>> > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>> > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library support for 
>> > > >  things
>> > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>> > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>> > > >  or the like.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
>> > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>> > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>> > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
>> > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
>> > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>> > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > 
>> > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
>> > > >  in the console?
>> > > > 
>> > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
>> > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would 
>> > > >  like
>> > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>> > > > 
>> > > >  http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > 
>> > > >  that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
>> > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>> > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>> > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>> > > >  each one out.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
>> > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
>> > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > 
>> > > >  -tim
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

speakup uses both sides of the keyboard in terms of function keys at 
least.  Many of its controls are on the keypad though.  I probably don't 
have your synthesizer what's over here is a doubletalk lt.  I could try 
some stuff and see maybe if I could get yasr using it but only if you 
have a doubletalk lt.  Even so without local assistance you'd have some 
obstacles to go through.  There is a package for emacspeak to use some 
hardware synthesizers, but the rest of it anymore is speakup orca and 
fenrir and speakup is being worked on so once more it will run external 
synthesizers but that work is in progress.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> I am not.
> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer, it 
> is not like I can just buy a system.
> That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not think 
> would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I find a 
> later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My  present dos 
> package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has full 
> USB
> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent for 
> the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
> clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative 
> detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>
> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not to 
> have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person to 
> have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now 
> running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as 
> current.
> I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my 
> specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means in 
> person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no 
> progress.
> My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed up 
> with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>
> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the 
> keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter 
> productive.
> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me get 
> information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to 
> review.
> Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need to 
> keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> Long answer to as short comment,
> Kare
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is 
>> one good source.
>> 
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>>
>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>  Kare
>>> 
>>>
>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>> >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup 
>>> >  or something like that.
>>> >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>> >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>> > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > 
>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just 
>>> >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>>> >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for 
>>> >  business solutions?
>>> >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>>> >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>> >  Kare
>>> > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> > > > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
>>> > > > >  edbrowse url
>>> > >  or
>>> > >  edbrowse file
>>> > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>> > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love 
>>> it.
>>> > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general 
>>> discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>> > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test 
>>> something.
>>> > >  Karen
>>> > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with 
>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>> > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>> > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > > 
>>> >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >  Tim here
>>> > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
>>> > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>>> > > >  command line linux user.
>>> > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of 
>>> my
>>> > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>>> > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>> > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>> > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves 
>>> piping
>>> > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured 
>>> to
>>> > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>>> > > >  box for you).
>>> > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of 
>>> markup.
>>> > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > 
>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>> > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>> > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be 
>>> done in
>>> > > >  most cases.
>>> > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
>>> > > > > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of 
>>> music
>>> > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>> > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and it will 
>>> play
>>> > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>>> > > >  control over playback.
>>> > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client 
>>> that
>>> > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>> > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>> > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control 
>>> playback,
>>> > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>> > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have > > 
>>> >  quick
>>> > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>> > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also 
>>> has a
>>> > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>>> > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them > > 
>>> >  pretty
>>> > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>>> > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical > > > 
>>> player.
>>> > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in something beyond 
>>> text
>>> > > >  format?
>>> > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I 
>>> personally
>>> > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so > > 
>>> >  that's
>>> > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>>> > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library support for > > 
>>> >  things
>>> > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>>> > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>>> > > >  or the like.
>>> > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to 
>>> you.
>>> > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>>> > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>>> > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to 
>>> MS-Word
>>> > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. 
>>> And
>>> > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>> > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>>> > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
>>> > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to 
>>> offer
>>> > > >  in the console?
>>> > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items 
>>> above,
>>> > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would > 
>>> > >  like
>>> > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>> > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line 
>>> tools:
>>> > > > > > > 
>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>> > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of various applications 
>>> to try
>>> > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>>> > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>>> > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>>> > > >  each one out.
>>> > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to 
>>> help
>>> > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>> > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, 
>>> so
>>> > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>> > > > > > >  -tim
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi,
I use the reading edge for my synthesizer, although I appreciate your 
idea.
for the function keys perhaps, but I personally type very well, and it is 
counter  productive,  at least for me not to be able to get information 
with my hands still 
there.
Granted its not an issue  if I ssh telnet, using my own screen reader, in 
a Linux shell right now.
  Agreed on the local help, which is why  that has been my first 
requirement all this time.
Kare


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> speakup uses both sides of the keyboard in terms of function keys at least. 
> Many of its controls are on the keypad though.  I probably don't have your 
> synthesizer what's over here is a doubletalk lt.  I could try some stuff and 
> see maybe if I could get yasr using it but only if you have a doubletalk lt. 
> Even so without local assistance you'd have some obstacles to go through. 
> There is a package for emacspeak to use some hardware synthesizers, but the 
> rest of it anymore is speakup orca and fenrir and speakup is being worked on 
> so once more it will run external synthesizers but that work is in progress.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>>  I am not.
>>  since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>>  it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>  That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>>  think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>>  find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My  present
>>  dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking,
>>  has full USB
>>  support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>>  for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
>>  imagine.
>>  User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
>>  clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>>  detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>
>>  I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>>  to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person
>>  to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>>  I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now
>>  running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>  current.
>>  I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>>  specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means
>>  in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts
>>  with no progress.
>>  My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed
>>  up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>>  They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>
>>  besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>>  keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
>>  productive.
>>  My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me
>>  get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to
>>  review.
>>  Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need
>>  to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>>  Long answer to as short comment,
>>  Kare
>> 
>>
>>  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> >  If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ 
>> >  is one good source.
>> > 
>> >  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > 
>> > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>> > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > >   To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > >   Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > > 
>> > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>> > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
>> > >   Kare
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or 
>> > > >   edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>> > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > > > >   discussion > 
>> > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I 
>> > > > >   just 
>> > > >   got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>> > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking 
>> > > >   for business solutions?
>> > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>> > > >   Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> > > >   Kare
>> > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > > >   wrote:
>> > > > > > >   If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > > > > >   edbrowse url
>> > > > >   or
>> > > > >   edbrowse file
>> > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I 
>> > > > > > >   love 
>> > >  it.
>> > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > discussion > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test 
>> > >  something.
>> > > > >   Karen
>> > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with 
>> > >  surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >   Tim here
>> > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a 
>> > > > > >   totally
>> > > > > >   command line linux user.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  my
>> > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but 
>> > > > > >   some
>> > > > > >   sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>> > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it usually 
>> > > > > > > > >   involves 
>> > >  piping
>> > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be 
>> > > > > >   configured 
>> > >  to
>> > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of 
>> > > > > >   the
>> > > > > >   box for you).
>> > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  markup.
>> > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > 
>> > >  Word/LibreOffice
>> > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can 
>> > > > > > > > >   be 
>> > >  done in
>> > > > > >   most cases.
>> > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  music
>> > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> > > > > >   specify just the files you want on the command line and it will 
>> > >  play
>> > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little 
>> > > > > >   more
>> > > > > >   control over playback.
>> > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player 
>> > > > > > > > >   Daemon/Client 
>> > >  that
>> > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> > > > > >   program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> > > > > >   remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control 
>> > >  playback,
>> > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > > > >   particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   quick
>> > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but 
>> > > > > > > > >   also 
>> > >  has a
>> > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have 
>> > > > > >   a
>> > > > > >   pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   pretty
>> > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> > > > > >   shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical > 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > >  player.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in something 
>> > > > > > > > > > > >   beyond 
>> > >  text
>> > > > > >   format?
>> > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I 
>> > >  personally
>> > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   that's
>> > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does 
>> > > > > >   produce
>> > > > > >   some beautiful output and also has external library support for 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   things
>> > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while other people 
>> > > > > >   like
>> > > > > >   some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or 
>> > > > > >   RST
>> > > > > >   or the like.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to 
>> > >  you.
>> > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you 
>> > > > > >   convert
>> > > > > >   between a large number of input/output formats so you can write 
>> > > > > >   in
>> > > > > >   Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to 
>> > >  MS-Word
>> > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal 
>> > > > > >   loss. 
>> > >  And
>> > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> > > > > >   information in the process since plain-text doesn't support 
>> > > > > >   many
>> > > > > >   features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has 
>> > > > > > > > >   to 
>> > >  offer
>> > > > > >   in the console?
>> > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the 
>> > > > > > > > >   items 
>> > >  above,
>> > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but 
>> > > > > >   would > 
>> > > > >   like
>> > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next 
>> > > > > >   adventure.
>> > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line 
>> > >  tools:
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > >  http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of various 
>> > > > > > > > >   applications 
>> > >  to try
>> > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your 
>> > > > > >   brain
>> > > > > >   just right. They should all be free and are likely in most 
>> > > > > >   software
>> > > > > >   repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to 
>> > > > > >   try
>> > > > > >   each one out.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides 
>> > > > > > > > >   to 
>> > >  help
>> > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient 
>> > > > > > > > >   bunch, 
>> > >  so
>> > > > > >   we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > > > > > >   -tim
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > >  _______________________________________________
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

If two local computers are available with one running dos and a 
compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the 
console it's possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit 
or commo on the dos machine to connect to the other computer running 
linux and have all console output redirected out the linux serial port 
to the dos box.  I did this once with only one version of linux and the 
information on how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto 
files.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> I am not.
> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer, it 
> is not like I can just buy a system.
> That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not think 
> would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I find a 
> later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My  present dos 
> package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has full 
> USB
> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent for 
> the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
> clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative 
> detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>
> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not to 
> have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person to 
> have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now 
> running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as 
> current.
> I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my 
> specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means in 
> person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no 
> progress.
> My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed up 
> with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>
> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the 
> keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter 
> productive.
> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me get 
> information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to 
> review.
> Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need to 
> keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> Long answer to as short comment,
> Kare
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is 
>> one good source.
>> 
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>>
>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>  Kare
>>> 
>>>
>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>> >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup 
>>> >  or something like that.
>>> >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>> >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>> > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > 
>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just 
>>> >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>>> >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for 
>>> >  business solutions?
>>> >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>>> >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>> >  Kare
>>> > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> > > > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
>>> > > > >  edbrowse url
>>> > >  or
>>> > >  edbrowse file
>>> > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>> > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love 
>>> it.
>>> > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general 
>>> discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>> > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test 
>>> something.
>>> > >  Karen
>>> > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with 
>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>> > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>> > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > > 
>>> >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >  Tim here
>>> > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
>>> > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>>> > > >  command line linux user.
>>> > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of 
>>> my
>>> > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>>> > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>> > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>> > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves 
>>> piping
>>> > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured 
>>> to
>>> > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>>> > > >  box for you).
>>> > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of 
>>> markup.
>>> > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > 
>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>> > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>> > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be 
>>> done in
>>> > > >  most cases.
>>> > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
>>> > > > > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of 
>>> music
>>> > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>> > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and it will 
>>> play
>>> > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>>> > > >  control over playback.
>>> > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client 
>>> that
>>> > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>> > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>> > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control 
>>> playback,
>>> > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>> > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have > > 
>>> >  quick
>>> > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>> > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also 
>>> has a
>>> > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>>> > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them > > 
>>> >  pretty
>>> > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>>> > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical > > > 
>>> player.
>>> > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in something beyond 
>>> text
>>> > > >  format?
>>> > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I 
>>> personally
>>> > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so > > 
>>> >  that's
>>> > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>>> > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library support for > > 
>>> >  things
>>> > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>>> > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>>> > > >  or the like.
>>> > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to 
>>> you.
>>> > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>>> > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>>> > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to 
>>> MS-Word
>>> > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. 
>>> And
>>> > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>> > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>>> > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
>>> > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to 
>>> offer
>>> > > >  in the console?
>>> > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items 
>>> above,
>>> > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would > 
>>> > >  like
>>> > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>> > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line 
>>> tools:
>>> > > > > > > 
>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>> > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of various applications 
>>> to try
>>> > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>>> > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>>> > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>>> > > >  each one out.
>>> > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to 
>>> help
>>> > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>> > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, 
>>> so
>>> > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>> > > > > > >  -tim
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> > > >  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>> > > > > > >  _______________________________________________
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>>> > > >  Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> > > >  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  _______________________________________________
>>> > >  Blinux-list mailing list
>>> > >  Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> > >  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>> > > > >  _______________________________________________
>>> > >  Blinux-list mailing list
>>> > >  Blinux-list@redhat.com
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>>> > > > > > >  _______________________________________________
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with 
ssh telnet?



On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible 
> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's 
> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the 
> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all 
> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did 
> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do 
> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>>  I am not.
>>  since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>>  it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>  That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>>  think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>>  find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My  present
>>  dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking,
>>  has full USB
>>  support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>>  for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
>>  imagine.
>>  User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
>>  clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>>  detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>
>>  I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>>  to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person
>>  to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>>  I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now
>>  running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>  current.
>>  I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>>  specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means
>>  in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts
>>  with no progress.
>>  My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed
>>  up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>>  They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>
>>  besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>>  keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
>>  productive.
>>  My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me
>>  get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to
>>  review.
>>  Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need
>>  to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>>  Long answer to as short comment,
>>  Kare
>> 
>>
>>  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> >  If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ 
>> >  is one good source.
>> > 
>> >  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > 
>> > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>> > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > >   To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > >   Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > > 
>> > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>> > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
>> > >   Kare
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or 
>> > > >   edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>> > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > > > >   discussion > 
>> > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I 
>> > > > >   just 
>> > > >   got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>> > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking 
>> > > >   for business solutions?
>> > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>> > > >   Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> > > >   Kare
>> > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > > >   wrote:
>> > > > > > >   If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > > > > >   edbrowse url
>> > > > >   or
>> > > > >   edbrowse file
>> > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I 
>> > > > > > >   love 
>> > >  it.
>> > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > discussion > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test 
>> > >  something.
>> > > > >   Karen
>> > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with 
>> > >  surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >   Tim here
>> > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a 
>> > > > > >   totally
>> > > > > >   command line linux user.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  my
>> > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but 
>> > > > > >   some
>> > > > > >   sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>> > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it usually 
>> > > > > > > > >   involves 
>> > >  piping
>> > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be 
>> > > > > >   configured 
>> > >  to
>> > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of 
>> > > > > >   the
>> > > > > >   box for you).
>> > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  markup.
>> > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > 
>> > >  Word/LibreOffice
>> > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can 
>> > > > > > > > >   be 
>> > >  done in
>> > > > > >   most cases.
>> > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  music
>> > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> > > > > >   specify just the files you want on the command line and it will 
>> > >  play
>> > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little 
>> > > > > >   more
>> > > > > >   control over playback.
>> > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player 
>> > > > > > > > >   Daemon/Client 
>> > >  that
>> > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> > > > > >   program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> > > > > >   remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control 
>> > >  playback,
>> > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > > > >   particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   quick
>> > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but 
>> > > > > > > > >   also 
>> > >  has a
>> > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have 
>> > > > > >   a
>> > > > > >   pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   pretty
>> > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> > > > > >   shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical > 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > >  player.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in something 
>> > > > > > > > > > > >   beyond 
>> > >  text
>> > > > > >   format?
>> > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I 
>> > >  personally
>> > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   that's
>> > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does 
>> > > > > >   produce
>> > > > > >   some beautiful output and also has external library support for 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   things
>> > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while other people 
>> > > > > >   like
>> > > > > >   some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or 
>> > > > > >   RST
>> > > > > >   or the like.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to 
>> > >  you.
>> > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you 
>> > > > > >   convert
>> > > > > >   between a large number of input/output formats so you can write 
>> > > > > >   in
>> > > > > >   Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to 
>> > >  MS-Word
>> > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal 
>> > > > > >   loss. 
>> > >  And
>> > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> > > > > >   information in the process since plain-text doesn't support 
>> > > > > >   many
>> > > > > >   features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has 
>> > > > > > > > >   to 
>> > >  offer
>> > > > > >   in the console?
>> > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the 
>> > > > > > > > >   items 
>> > >  above,
>> > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but 
>> > > > > >   would > 
>> > > > >   like
>> > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next 
>> > > > > >   adventure.
>> > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line 
>> > >  tools:
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > >  http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of various 
>> > > > > > > > >   applications 
>> > >  to try
>> > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your 
>> > > > > >   brain
>> > > > > >   just right. They should all be free and are likely in most 
>> > > > > >   software
>> > > > > >   repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to 
>> > > > > >   try
>> > > > > >   each one out.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides 
>> > > > > > > > >   to 
>> > >  help
>> > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient 
>> > > > > > > > >   bunch, 
>> > >  so
>> > > > > >   we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > > > > > >   -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

In order to run linux locally this might be needful.  It's one 
alternative and you'd have your linux box going out to the internet with 
your dos box connecting only to the linux box and the dos box would 
serve as an accessible terminal.  If that were done, no accessibility 
software would be needed to run on the linux box since all of that would 
be running on your dos box.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:07
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with ssh 
> telnet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible 
>> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's 
>> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the 
>> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all 
>> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did 
>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do 
>> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>> 
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>>
>>>  I am not.
>>>  since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>>>  it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>  That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>>>  think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>>>  find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My 
>>> present
>>>  dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking,
>>>  has full USB
>>>  support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>>>  for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
>>>  imagine.
>>>  User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
>>>  clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>>>  detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>>
>>>  I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>>>  to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person
>>>  to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>>>  I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is 
>>> now
>>>  running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>  current.
>>>  I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>>>  specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means
>>>  in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts
>>>  with no progress.
>>>  My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me 
>>> showed
>>>  up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>>>  They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>
>>>  besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>>>  keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
>>>  productive.
>>>  My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me
>>>  get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need 
>>> to
>>>  review.
>>>  Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the 
>>> need
>>>  to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>>>  Long answer to as short comment,
>>>  Kare
>>> 
>>>
>>>  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>> >  If you're in the market for a linux laptop, 
>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ >  is one good source.
>>> > >  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> > > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>> > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> > >   To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> > >   Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>> > > > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>> > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>> > >   Kare
>>> > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or > > > 
>>> edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>>> > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>> > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>> > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general > > > > 
>>> >   discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I 
>>> > > > >   just > > >   got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>>> > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking 
>>> > > >   for business solutions?
>>> > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>>> > > >   Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>> > > >   Kare
>>> > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion > > 
>>> > > > >   wrote:
>>> > > > > > >   If you mean to browse something just type:
>>> > > > > > >   edbrowse url
>>> > > > >   or
>>> > > > >   edbrowse file
>>> > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>> > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I > 
>>> > > > > >   love > >  it.
>>> > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general > > 
>>> discussion > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>> > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test > > 
>>> something.
>>> > > > >   Karen
>>> > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general 
>>> discussion > >  wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with > > 
>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>> > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>> > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>>> > > > > >   > > > > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >   Tim here
>>> > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
>>> > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a > 
>>> > > > >   totally
>>> > > > > >   command line linux user.
>>> > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for 
>>> much > > > > > > > >   of > >  my
>>> > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but > 
>>> > > > >   some
>>> > > > > >   sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>> > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
>>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it usually > > 
>>> > > > > > >   involves > >  piping
>>> > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be > > > > 
>>> >   configured > >  to
>>> > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of 
>>> > > > > >   the
>>> > > > > >   box for you).
>>> > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort 
>>> > > > > > > > >   of > >  markup.
>>> > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > > 
>>> >  Word/LibreOffice
>>> > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>> > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it 
>>> can > > > > > > > >   be > >  done in
>>> > > > > >   most cases.
>>> > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music collection.
>>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on your tastes, but there are literally 
>>> dozens > > > > > > > >   of > >  music
>>> > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>> > > > > >   specify just the files you want on the command line and it 
>>> will > >  play
>>> > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little > 
>>> > > > >   more
>>> > > > > >   control over playback.
>>> > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player > > > > > 
>>> > > >   Daemon/Client > >  that
>>> > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>> > > > > >   program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>> > > > > >   remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control > > 
>>> playback,
>>> > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>> > > > > >   particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and 
>>> have > > > > >   > > > > >   quick
>>> > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>> > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but > 
>>> > > > > > > >   also > >  has a
>>> > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and 
>>> have > > > > >   a
>>> > > > > >   pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them 
>>> > > > > >   > > > > >   pretty
>>> > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my 
>>> collection,
>>> > > > > >   shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical 
>>> > > > > > >   > > > >  player.
>>> > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in something > 
>>> > > > > > > > > > >   beyond > >  text
>>> > > > > >   format?
>>> > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. 
>>> I > >  personally
>>> > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so 
>>> > > > > >   > > > > >   that's
>>> > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does > > 
>>> > > >   produce
>>> > > > > >   some beautiful output and also has external library support 
>>> for > > > > >   > > > > >   things
>>> > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while other people 
>>> > > > > >   like
>>> > > > > >   some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown 
>>> or > > > > >   RST
>>> > > > > >   or the like.
>>> > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural 
>>> to > >  you.
>>> > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you > > 
>>> > > >   convert
>>> > > > > >   between a large number of input/output formats so you can 
>>> write > > > > >   in
>>> > > > > >   Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to > 
>>> >  MS-Word
>>> > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal > > 
>>> > > >   loss. > >  And
>>> > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>> > > > > >   information in the process since plain-text doesn't support > 
>>> > > > >   many
>>> > > > > >   features as you've acknowledged)
>>> > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux 
>>> has > > > > > > > >   to > >  offer
>>> > > > > >   in the console?
>>> > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the 
>>> > > > > > > > >   items > >  above,
>>> > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but > > 
>>> > > >   would > > > > >   like
>>> > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next > > > 
>>> > >   adventure.
>>> > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common 
>>> command-line > >  tools:
>>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>> > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of various > > > > > 
>>> > > >   applications > >  to try
>>> > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your > 
>>> > > > >   brain
>>> > > > > >   just right. They should all be free and are likely in most > > 
>>> > > >   software
>>> > > > > >   repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to 
>>> > > > > >   try
>>> > > > > >   each one out.
>>> > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever 
>>> decides > > > > > > > >   to > >  help
>>> > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>> > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient > 
>>> > > > > > > >   bunch, > >  so
>>> > > > > >   we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>> > > > > > > > >   -tim
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

That is an interesting possibility, as I am supposing you are suggesting 
that   simply creating a Linux box as a stand alone server to which I can 
connect might be  limiting or not possible.
I may or may not be confined strictly to the command line if I follow this 
idea...realizing I may be incorrect.
There is no physical reason the boxes  cannot be on the Internet at the 
same time.  My  my modem supports both wireless and wired, with several 
ports for that wired Ethernet connection. 
Regardless I can make no experiment without both local talent and clear 
and  frankly outside of Linux  howto files from which to learn.
Just my take of course, but I feel both should be available so you can 
study outside of the environment where you are  working so to speak.  if 
you follow a howto incorrectly in your Linux machine you may freeze or do 
more  damage out of which you might not detangle with ease.


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> In order to run linux locally this might be needful.  It's one alternative 
> and you'd have your linux box going out to the internet with your dos box 
> connecting only to the linux box and the dos box would serve as an accessible 
> terminal.  If that were done, no accessibility software would be needed to 
> run on the linux box since all of that would be running on your dos box.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:07
>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>>  But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with
>>  ssh telnet?
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> >  If two local computers are available with one running dos and a 
>> >  compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the 
>> >  console it's possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit 
>> >  or commo on the dos machine to connect to the other computer running 
>> >  linux and have all console output redirected out the linux serial port 
>> >  to the dos box.  I did this once with only one version of linux and the 
>> >  information on how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto 
>> >  files.
>> > 
>> >  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > 
>> > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>> > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > >   To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > >   Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > > 
>> > >   I am not.
>> > >   since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my 
>> > >   synthesizer,
>> > >   it is not like I can just buy a system.
>> > >   That means having one built and configured locally..something I did 
>> > >   not
>> > >   think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when 
>> > >   I
>> > >   find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My 
>> > >  present
>> > >   dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively 
>> > >   speaking,
>> > >   has full USB
>> > >   support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local 
>> > >   talent
>> > >   for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or 
>> > >   so I
>> > >   imagine.
>> > >   User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be 
>> > >   found.
>> > >   clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but 
>> > >   informative
>> > >   detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>> > > 
>> > >   I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only 
>> > >   not
>> > >   to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that 
>> > >   person
>> > >   to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>> > >   I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which 
>> > >   is 
>> > >  now
>> > >   running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not 
>> > >   as
>> > >   current.
>> > >   I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to 
>> > >   my
>> > >   specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which 
>> > >   means
>> > >   in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing 
>> > >   efforts
>> > >   with no progress.
>> > >   My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me 
>> > >  showed
>> > >   up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>> > >   They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>> > > 
>> > >   besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of 
>> > >   the
>> > >   keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is 
>> > >   counter
>> > >   productive.
>> > >   My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, 
>> > >   let me
>> > >   get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I 
>> > >   need 
>> > >  to
>> > >   review.
>> > >   Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the 
>> > >  need
>> > >   to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>> > >   Long answer to as short comment,
>> > >   Kare
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >   On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > >   If you're in the market for a linux laptop, 
>> > >  http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ >  is one good source.
>> > > > >   On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > > > >    Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>> > > > >    From: Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > >    <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > > > >    To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > > > >    Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > > > > > >    which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>> > > > >    I have no actual Linux box myself.
>> > > > >    Kare
>> > > > > > > > >    On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > > > > > >    Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or > 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > >  edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>> > > > > >    Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> > > > > >    The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > > > > > > >    On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general > > 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > discussion > > >   <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >    Well it must require more because when I tried visiting 
>> > > > > > >    paypal I just > > >   got a series  of numbers and a blank 
>> > > > > > >    page.
>> > > > > >    Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you 
>> > > > > >    looking for business solutions?
>> > > > > >    Granted we may not have it fully configured here at 
>> > > > > >    shellworld.
>> > > > > >    Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> > > > > >    Kare
>> > > > > > > > >    On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > > >    wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >    If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > > > > > > >    edbrowse url
>> > > > > > >    or
>> > > > > > >    edbrowse file
>> > > > > > > > >    Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > > > > > > >    edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. 
>> > > > > > > > >    I > 
>> > > > > > > > love > >   it.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > discussion > >    <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >    Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > > > > > >    We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test 
>> > > > > > >    > > 
>> > >  something.
>> > > > > > >    Karen
>> > > > > > > > > > > >    On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general 
>> > > discussion > >   wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > >    Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with > > 
>> > >  surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > > > > > >    On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > > > > > >    discussion 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >    <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > >    Tim here
>> > > > > > > > > > >    Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > > > > > >    Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming 
>> > > > > > > >    a > 
>> > > > > > >    totally
>> > > > > > > >    command line linux user.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for 
>> > > much > > > > > > > > of > >   my
>> > > > > > > >    day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, 
>> > > > > > > >    but > 
>> > > > > > >    some
>> > > > > > > >    sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting 
>> > > > > > > >    browser.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > > > > > > > >    It depends on what you want to print, but it usually 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > > > > > involves > >   piping
>> > > > > > > >    things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be > > 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > configured > >   to
>> > > > > > > >    use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured 
>> > > > > > > >    out of the
>> > > > > > > >    box for you).
>> > > > > > > > > > >    Getting fancier output would involve rendering some 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    sort of > >  markup.
>> > > > > > > >    There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > >   Word/LibreOffice
>> > > > > > > >    docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    it 
>> > > can > > > > > > > > be > >   done in
>> > > > > > > >    most cases.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    It depends on your tastes, but there are literally 
>> > > dozens > > > > > > > > of > >   music
>> > > > > > > >    players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow 
>> > > > > > > >    you to
>> > > > > > > >    specify just the files you want on the command line and it 
>> > > will > >   play
>> > > > > > > >    them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a 
>> > > > > > > >    little > 
>> > > > > > >    more
>> > > > > > > >    control over playback.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > >    Daemon/Client > >  that
>> > > > > > > >    runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The 
>> > > > > > > >    mpd
>> > > > > > > >    program runs in the background and the mpc program acts 
>> > > > > > > >    like a
>> > > > > > > >    remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > >  playback,
>> > > > > > > >    etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > > > > > >    particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and 
>> > > have > > > > > > > > > >    quick
>> > > > > > > >    access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    but > 
>> > > > > > > > > > also > >   has a
>> > > > > > > >    remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and 
>> > > have > > > > >    a
>> > > > > > > >    pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between 
>> > > > > > > >    them 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >    pretty
>> > > > > > > >    readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my 
>> > >  collection,
>> > > > > > > >    shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a 
>> > > > > > > >    graphical 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >   player.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >    How, also, would I create documents in 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >    something > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > >   text
>> > > > > > > >    format?
>> > > > > > > > > > >    usually it's done with a markup that suits your 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    tastes. 
>> > > I > >   personally
>> > > > > > > >    have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 
>> > > > > > > >    90s so 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >    that's
>> > > > > > > >    what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > >    produce
>> > > > > > > >    some beautiful output and also has external library 
>> > > > > > > >    support 
>> > > for > > > > > > > > > >    things
>> > > > > > > >    like music markup letting you write scores) while other 
>> > > > > > > >    people like
>> > > > > > > >    some of the more light-weight markup languages like 
>> > > > > > > >    Markdown 
>> > > or > > > > >    RST
>> > > > > > > >    or the like.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    natural 
>> > > to > >   you.
>> > > > > > > >    Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > >    convert
>> > > > > > > >    between a large number of input/output formats so you can 
>> > > write > > > > >    in
>> > > > > > > >    Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert 
>> > > > > > > >    to > 
>> > > >   MS-Word
>> > > > > > > >    format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > >    loss. > >  And
>> > > > > > > >    it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose 
>> > > > > > > >    some
>> > > > > > > >    information in the process since plain-text doesn't 
>> > > > > > > >    support > 
>> > > > > > >    many
>> > > > > > > >    features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > > > > > > > >    How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    linux 
>> > > has > > > > > > > > to > >   offer
>> > > > > > > >    in the console?
>> > > > > > > > > > >    One program at a time (grins). So much like each of 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    the items > >  above,
>> > > > > > > >    it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > > would > > > > >    like
>> > > > > > > >    to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next > 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > >    adventure.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    I maintain a page listing a number of common 
>> > >  command-line > >  tools:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > >  http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > > > > > > > >    that can point you in the direction of various > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > > applications > >   to try
>> > > > > > > >    out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit 
>> > > > > > > >    your > 
>> > > > > > >    brain
>> > > > > > > >    just right. They should all be free and are likely in most 
>> > > > > > > >    > > 
>> > > > > >    software
>> > > > > > > >    repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little 
>> > > > > > > >    time to try
>> > > > > > > >    each one out.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever 
>> > > decides > > > > > > > > to > >   help
>> > > > > > > >    me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & 
>> > > > > > > > > > >    patient > 
>> > > > > > > > > >    bunch, > >  so
>> > > > > > > >    we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > > > > > > > >    -tim
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine running Telix, a vt100
terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen reader.

Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem cable and from
there run screen for multiple consoles.

Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to 
remote accounts etc.

The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux 
consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.

And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls from my 
main keyboard.


On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > 
> > I am not.
> > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
> > it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
> > think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
> > find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My
> > present dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively
> > speaking, has full USB
> > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
> > for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
> > imagine.
> > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
> > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
> > detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
> > 
> > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
> > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
> > person to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is
> > now running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
> > as current.
> > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
> > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
> > means in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing
> > efforts with no progress.
> > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
> > showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > 
> > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
> > keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
> > productive.
> > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let
> > me get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
> > need to review.
> > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
> > need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> > Long answer to as short comment,
> > Kare
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > 
> > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > 
> > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > >  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > >  Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > > > 
> > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > >  Kare
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or
> > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
> > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
> > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
> > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
> > > > >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
> > > > > > > >  edbrowse url
> > > > > >  or
> > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
> > > > something.
> > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with
> > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> > > > > > >  command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle
> > > > for much of my
> > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> > > > > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be
> > > > configured to
> > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> > > > > > >  box for you).
> > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
> > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
> > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
> > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
> > > > > > > > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
> > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> > > > > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and
> > > > it will play
> > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> > > > > > >  control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player
> > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
> > > > > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> > > > > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists,
> > > > control playback,
> > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> > > > > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell
> > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
> > > > but also has a
> > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
> > > > > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
> > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> > > > > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
> > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your
> > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
> > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> > > > > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library
> > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> > > > > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> > > > > > >  or the like.
> > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
> > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> > > > > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> > > > > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> > > > > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> > > > > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
> > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
> > > > the items above,
> > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI
> > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of various
> > > > applications to try
> > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> > > > > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
> > > > > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> > > > > > >  each one out.
> > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
> > > > decides to help
> > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
> > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > >  -tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

How are your YouTube experiences?
There are  several player options of course.  Just wondering how it has 
worked for you?
streaming audio if you prefer?
  Speaking  of vocal eyes.  it is not what I use, but I do wonder what will 
happen tot the program now that gw micro is shutting down shop so to speak?
Karen


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine running Telix, a vt100
> terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen reader.
>
> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem cable and from
> there run screen for multiple consoles.
>
> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> remote accounts etc.
>
> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>
> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls from my
> main keyboard.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
>> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
>> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
>> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
>> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
>> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>>
>>> I am not.
>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>>> it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>>> think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>>> find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My
>>> present dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively
>>> speaking, has full USB
>>> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>>> for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
>>> imagine.
>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
>>> clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>>> detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>>
>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>>> to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
>>> person to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>>> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is
>>> now running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
>>> as current.
>>> I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>>> specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
>>> means in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing
>>> efforts with no progress.
>>> My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
>>> showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>>> They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>
>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>>> keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
>>> productive.
>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let
>>> me get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
>>> need to review.
>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
>>> need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>>> Long answer to as short comment,
>>> Kare
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>>>>
>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or
>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>>>>>>  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  If you mean to browse something just type:
>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse url
>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with
>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>>>>>>>>  command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle
>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>>>>>>>>  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be
>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>>>>>>>>  box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music collection.
>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>>>>>>>  specify just the files you want on the command line and
>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>>>>>>>>  control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player
>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>>>>>>>  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>>>>>>>  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists,
>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>>>>>>>  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell
>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>>>>>>>>  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>>>>>>>>  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits your
>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>>>>>>>>  some beautiful output and also has external library
>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>>>>>>>>  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>>>>>>>>  or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>>>>>>>>  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>>>>>>>>  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>>>>>>>  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>>>>>>>>  features as you've acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI
>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of various
>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>>>>>>>>  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>>>>>>>>  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>>>>>>>>  each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

My youtube experiences are mixed. I use youtube-dl
to grab the stream and play it with mplayer. But lately some of the 
youtube streams do not play.  I head odd clicking sounds.
Other youtube streams play fine.
I'm beginning to suspect  I need a few more codecs for mplayer, but haven't
figured out where to get them or how to install them.

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 05:16:23PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> How are your YouTube experiences?
> There are  several player options of course.  Just wondering how it has
> worked for you?
> streaming audio if you prefer?
>  Speaking  of vocal eyes.  it is not what I use, but I do wonder what will
> happen tot the program now that gw micro is shutting down shop so to speak?
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine running Telix, a vt100
> > terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen reader.
> > 
> > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem cable and from
> > there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > 
> > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > remote accounts etc.
> > 
> > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > 
> > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls from my
> > main keyboard.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
> > > screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
> > > possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
> > > dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
> > > console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
> > > that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not.
> > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
> > > > it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
> > > > think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
> > > > find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My
> > > > present dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively
> > > > speaking, has full USB
> > > > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
> > > > for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
> > > > imagine.
> > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
> > > > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
> > > > detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
> > > > 
> > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
> > > > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
> > > > person to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> > > > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is
> > > > now running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
> > > > as current.
> > > > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
> > > > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
> > > > means in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing
> > > > efforts with no progress.
> > > > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
> > > > showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> > > > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > 
> > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
> > > > keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
> > > > productive.
> > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let
> > > > me get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
> > > > need to review.
> > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
> > > > need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> > > > Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > Kare
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > > > >  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > > > >  Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or
> > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
> > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
> > > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
> > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
> > > > > > >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
> > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse url
> > > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with
> > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> > > > > > > > >  command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle
> > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> > > > > > > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be
> > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> > > > > > > > >  box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
> > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
> > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
> > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
> > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> > > > > > > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and
> > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> > > > > > > > >  control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player
> > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
> > > > > > > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> > > > > > > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> > > > > > > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell
> > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
> > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
> > > > > > > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
> > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> > > > > > > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
> > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your
> > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
> > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> > > > > > > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library
> > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> > > > > > > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> > > > > > > > >  or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
> > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> > > > > > > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> > > > > > > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> > > > > > > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> > > > > > > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
> > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
> > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI
> > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of various
> > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> > > > > > > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
> > > > > > > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> > > > > > > > >  each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
> > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
> > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
How can i get it?


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine running Telix, a vt100
> terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen reader.
>
> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem cable and from
> there run screen for multiple consoles.
>
> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> remote accounts etc.
>
> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>
> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls from my
> main keyboard.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
> > screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
> > possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
> > dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
> > console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
> > that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > >
> > > I am not.
> > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
> > > it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
> > > think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
> > > find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My
> > > present dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively
> > > speaking, has full USB
> > > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
> > > for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
> > > imagine.
> > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
> > > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
> > > detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
> > >
> > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
> > > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
> > > person to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> > > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is
> > > now running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
> > > as current.
> > > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
> > > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
> > > means in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing
> > > efforts with no progress.
> > > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
> > > showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> > > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > >
> > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
> > > keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
> > > productive.
> > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let
> > > me get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
> > > need to review.
> > > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
> > > need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> > > Long answer to as short comment,
> > > Kare
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > > >  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > > >  Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > > > >
> > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > >  Kare
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or
> > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
> > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
> > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
> > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
> > > > > >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
> > > > > > > > >  edbrowse url
> > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
> > > > > something.
> > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with
> > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> > > > > > > >  command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle
> > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> > > > > > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be
> > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> > > > > > > >  box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
> > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
> > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
> > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
> > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
> > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> > > > > > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and
> > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> > > > > > > >  control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player
> > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
> > > > > > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> > > > > > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists,
> > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> > > > > > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell
> > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
> > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
> > > > > > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
> > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> > > > > > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
> > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your
> > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
> > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> > > > > > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library
> > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> > > > > > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> > > > > > > >  or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
> > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> > > > > > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> > > > > > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> > > > > > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> > > > > > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
> > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
> > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI
> > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of various
> > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> > > > > > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
> > > > > > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> > > > > > > >  each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
> > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
> > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
year

http://www.freedos.org/download/

which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
files to write to a USB disk)

It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
application that you throw at it.

-tim

On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> How can i get it?
> 
> 
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > reader.
> >
> > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> >
> > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > remote accounts etc.
> >
> > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> >
> > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > from my main keyboard.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > discussion wrote:
> > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > the console.
> > > >
> > > > I am not.
> > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > person training.
> > > >
> > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > >
> > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > Kare
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > page.
> > > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> year
>
> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>
> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> files to write to a USB disk)
>
> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> application that you throw at it.
>
> -tim
>
> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > How can i get it?
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > reader.
> > >
> > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > >
> > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > remote accounts etc.
> > >
> > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > >
> > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > from my main keyboard.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > discussion wrote:
> > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > the console.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not.
> > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > person training.
> > > > >
> > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > >
> > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > Kare
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen 
reading program.
If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the 
start files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or 
installing first from floppy etc.
Depends on what you are using all the way around.
Karen


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>> year
>>
>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>
>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>
>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>> application that you throw at it.
>>
>> -tim
>>
>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>> How can i get it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>> reader.
>>>>
>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>
>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>
>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>
>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.  I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be helpful.  thanks yall.



Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen
> reading program.
> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start
> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing first
> from floppy etc.
> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> Karen
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > year
> > >
> > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > >
> > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > >
> > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > application that you throw at it.
> > >
> > > -tim
> > >
> > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > How can i get it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > reader.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > >
> > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Will leave you to others then, since freedos can be unpredictable.
Without knowing  more about your computer I  cannot help you.
Although I believe I came across  a  link to download jaws for dos 
recently.
Kare


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.  I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be helpful.  thanks yall.
>
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen
>> reading program.
>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start
>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing first
>> from floppy etc.
>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>> year
>>>>
>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>
>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>
>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>
>>>> -tim
>>>>
>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Well, I'm not sure how many others are gonna come forward, so if you think I should download something else, I certainly wouldn't mind your help.
I just need to know where to get it.


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Will leave you to others then, since freedos can be unpredictable.
> Without knowing  more about your computer I  cannot help you.
> Although I believe I came across  a  link to download jaws for dos recently.
> Kare
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
> > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> > really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
> > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
> > helpful.  thanks yall.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
> > > screen
> > > reading program.
> > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
> > > start
> > > files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
> > > first
> > > from floppy etc.
> > > Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > > > year
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > > > >
> > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > > > application that you throw at it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -tim
> > > > >
> > > > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > > > How can i get it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi!
Anders Here.
FOr those using a braille display i have seen the brltty for dos.
I am not sure if it can use speech in dos to.
/A
> 2 juni 2017 kl. 14:49 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>:
> 
> Well, I'm not sure how many others are gonna come forward, so if you think I should download something else, I certainly wouldn't mind your help.
> I just need to know where to get it.
> 
> 
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Will leave you to others then, since freedos can be unpredictable.
>> Without knowing  more about your computer I  cannot help you.
>> Although I believe I came across  a  link to download jaws for dos recently.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>>> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
>>> I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
>>> really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
>>> get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
>>> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
>>> helpful.  thanks yall.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
>>>> screen
>>>> reading program.
>>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
>>>> start
>>>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
>>>> first
>>>> from floppy etc.
>>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you 
can find the executable somewhere then you should be good! 
http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html

On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.  I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be helpful.  thanks yall.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen
>> reading program.
>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start
>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing first
>> from floppy etc.
>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>> year
>>>>
>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>
>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>
>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>
>>>> -tim
>>>>
>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>   From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>   I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>   Kare
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>   The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>   Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>   or
>>>>>>>>>>>>   edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I knew they had, but haven't been able to find it now...not on their site any more.


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
> find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
> http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
>
> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
> > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> > really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
> > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
> > helpful.  thanks yall.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
> > > screen
> > > reading program.
> > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
> > > start
> > > files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
> > > first
> > > from floppy etc.
> > > Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > > > year
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > > > >
> > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > > > application that you throw at it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -tim
> > > > >
> > > > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > > > How can i get it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > > > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   or
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Here is how I get my dectalk express to run with Vocal Eyes. All
my speech files are in a directory called c:\speech.

My file c:\dectalk.bat contains the following:
c:\speech\talk.bat

The file c:\speech\talk.bat contains:

@echo off
rem the following line loads the Vocal-Eyes synthesizer driver
rem it expects dectalk on com1
c:\SPEECH\DTEXP /!c1
rem the following line loads Vocal-Eyes 
c:\SPEECH\ve


With all the files in place I run:
dectalk from the c:\> prompt, and Vocal Eyes starts working.


With vocal eyes working I then run Telix, and I'm off to
the races.

On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 07:46:57AM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I knew they had, but haven't been able to find it now...not on their site any more.
> 
> 
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> > Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
> > find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
> > http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
> >
> > On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
> > > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> > > really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
> > > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> > > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
> > > helpful.  thanks yall.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Peveto
> > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
> > > > screen
> > > > reading program.
> > > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
> > > > start
> > > > files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
> > > > first
> > > > from floppy etc.
> > > > Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> > > > Karen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > > > > year
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > > > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > > > > application that you throw at it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > > > > How can i get it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > > > > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hmm, yeah, that's cool once you have things installed.  I'm talking about the general installing of dos to start with, though.  How's that managed
accessibly?



Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Here is how I get my dectalk express to run with Vocal Eyes. All
> my speech files are in a directory called c:\speech.
>
> My file c:\dectalk.bat contains the following:
> c:\speech\talk.bat
>
> The file c:\speech\talk.bat contains:
>
> @echo off
> rem the following line loads the Vocal-Eyes synthesizer driver
> rem it expects dectalk on com1
> c:\SPEECH\DTEXP /!c1
> rem the following line loads Vocal-Eyes
> c:\SPEECH\ve
>
>
> With all the files in place I run:
> dectalk from the c:\> prompt, and Vocal Eyes starts working.
>
>
> With vocal eyes working I then run Telix, and I'm off to
> the races.
>
> On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 07:46:57AM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I knew they had, but haven't been able to find it now...not on their site any more.
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
> > > find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
> > > http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
> > >
> > > On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
> > > > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> > > > really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
> > > > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> > > > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
> > > > helpful.  thanks yall.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
> > > > > screen
> > > > > reading program.
> > > > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
> > > > > start
> > > > > files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
> > > > > first
> > > > > from floppy etc.
> > > > > Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> > > > > Karen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > > > > > year
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > > > > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > > > > > application that you throw at it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > > > > > How can i get it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

With dos, you have to have accessibility up using a floppy drive for 
operating system and screen reader stuff.  Then run setup.exe on the 
burned dos media or dos floppies and hope dos doesn't turkey up your 
screen reader by writing too fast to the screen.  freedos will turkey up 
your screen reader since it writes too fast to the screen by default. 
If you can manage to get past all of that, a config.sys file on the 
installed dos hard drive with nansi.sys /ns will slow the screen writing 
to the point your screen reader will be able to speak.  It's the int 10 
screen writing that's too fast for screen readers in dos but the int 21 
screen writing which is ansi standard works just fine.  It may be 
possible to install a config.sys file in the freedos install media with 
nansi.sys /ns but this will need someone to rebuild the install media 
and will not be an official rebuild.  I very much doubt the freedos 
developers have any interest in doing such a rebuild at all.

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 21:46:03
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> Hmm, yeah, that's cool once you have things installed.  I'm talking about the general installing of dos to start with, though.  How's that managed
> accessibly?
>
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Here is how I get my dectalk express to run with Vocal Eyes. All
>> my speech files are in a directory called c:\speech.
>>
>> My file c:\dectalk.bat contains the following:
>> c:\speech\talk.bat
>>
>> The file c:\speech\talk.bat contains:
>>
>> @echo off
>> rem the following line loads the Vocal-Eyes synthesizer driver
>> rem it expects dectalk on com1
>> c:\SPEECH\DTEXP /!c1
>> rem the following line loads Vocal-Eyes
>> c:\SPEECH\ve
>>
>>
>> With all the files in place I run:
>> dectalk from the c:\> prompt, and Vocal Eyes starts working.
>>
>>
>> With vocal eyes working I then run Telix, and I'm off to
>> the races.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 07:46:57AM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I knew they had, but haven't been able to find it now...not on their site any more.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
>>>> find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
>>>> http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
>>>>> I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
>>>>> really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
>>>>> get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
>>>>> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
>>>>> helpful.  thanks yall.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> reading program.
>>>>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> from floppy etc.
>>>>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>>>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>>>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>>>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>>>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>>>>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>>>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Tim here.  I just installed FreeDOS on a junker machine and
went to install the DOS version of JAWS.  It didn't complain, but I
didn't find any option for software speech, only hardware output.  If
someone is better versed in how to get JAWS-for-DOS to use a soft
synth, I'd be glad to experiment further and document the entire
install process.

That said, there's nothing I ever performed back when I was a "power
DOS user" that I've not been able to do far more easily in a real
shell.

-tim

On June  3, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> With dos, you have to have accessibility up using a floppy drive
> for operating system and screen reader stuff.  Then run setup.exe
> on the burned dos media or dos floppies and hope dos doesn't turkey
> up your screen reader by writing too fast to the screen.  freedos
> will turkey up your screen reader since it writes too fast to the
> screen by default. If you can manage to get past all of that, a
> config.sys file on the installed dos hard drive with nansi.sys /ns
> will slow the screen writing to the point your screen reader will
> be able to speak.  It's the int 10 screen writing that's too fast
> for screen readers in dos but the int 21 screen writing which is
> ansi standard works just fine.  It may be possible to install a
> config.sys file in the freedos install media with nansi.sys /ns but
> this will need someone to rebuild the install media and will not be
> an official rebuild.  I very much doubt the freedos developers have
> any interest in doing such a rebuild at all.
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 21:46:03
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > 
> > Hmm, yeah, that's cool once you have things installed.  I'm
> > talking about the general installing of dos to start with,
> > though.  How's that managed accessibly?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> Here is how I get my dectalk express to run with Vocal Eyes. All
> >> my speech files are in a directory called c:\speech.
> >>
> >> My file c:\dectalk.bat contains the following:
> >> c:\speech\talk.bat
> >>
> >> The file c:\speech\talk.bat contains:
> >>
> >> @echo off
> >> rem the following line loads the Vocal-Eyes synthesizer driver
> >> rem it expects dectalk on com1
> >> c:\SPEECH\DTEXP /!c1
> >> rem the following line loads Vocal-Eyes
> >> c:\SPEECH\ve
> >>
> >>
> >> With all the files in place I run:
> >> dectalk from the c:\> prompt, and Vocal Eyes starts working.
> >>
> >>
> >> With vocal eyes working I then run Telix, and I'm off to
> >> the races.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 07:46:57AM -0500, Linux for blind
> >> general discussion wrote:
> >>> I knew they had, but haven't been able to find it now...not on
> >>> their site any more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark Peveto
> >>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999,
> >>>> so if you can find the executable somewhere then you should be
> >>>> good! http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
> >>>>
> >>>> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up
> >>>>> to this machine. I have demos of asap and vocal eyes.
> >>>>> Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I really wanted.  But if I
> >>>>> put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk
> >>>>> talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years
> >>>>> since I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.
> >>>>> More input would be helpful.  thanks yall.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark Peveto
> >>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos
> >>>>>> synthesizer and screen
> >>>>>> reading program.
> >>>>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example
> >>>>>> including the start
> >>>>>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.
> >>>>>> Or installing first
> >>>>>> from floppy etc.
> >>>>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> >>>>>> Karen
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the
> >>>>>>> screen?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mark Peveto
> >>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2
> >>>>>>>> earlier this year
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple
> >>>>>>>> installation-media images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a
> >>>>>>>> boot-floppy image if your machine is so old that it won't
> >>>>>>>> boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image files to write to a
> >>>>>>>> USB disk)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> >>>>>>>> application that you throw at it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -tim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> >>>>>>>>> How can i get it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
> >>>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS
> >>>>>>>>>> machine running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and
> >>>>>>>>>> Vocal Eyes screen reader.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null
> >>>>>>>>>> modem cable and from there run screen for multiple
> >>>>>>>>>> consoles.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer,
> >>>>>>>>>> lynx, ssh to remote accounts etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> >>>>>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on
> >>>>>>>>>> my local box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote
> >>>>>>>>>> work server.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech
> >>>>>>>>>> controls from my main keyboard.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for
> >>>>>>>>>> blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running
> >>>>>>>>>>> dos and a compatible screen reader and a user is
> >>>>>>>>>>> willing and able to work in the console it's possible
> >>>>>>>>>>> with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or
> >>>>>>>>>>> commo on the dos machine to connect to the other
> >>>>>>>>>>> computer running linux and have all console output
> >>>>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I
> >>>>>>>>>>> did this once with only one version of linux and the
> >>>>>>>>>>> information on how to do that is in one of linux-howtos
> >>>>>>>>>>> serial howto files.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> living in the console.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support my synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a system. That means having one built and configured
> >>>>>>>>>>>> locally..something I did not think would  be such an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I find a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> later  edition of DOS that gives me something
> >>>>>>>>>>>> needful.  My present dos package for example is only a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> few  years old comparatively speaking, has full USB
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine. User
> >>>>>>>>>>>> groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can be found. clear, fundamental and step by step
> >>>>>>>>>>>> information in basic but informative detail  does not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exist, let alone in person training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> send it, only not to have Linux support any of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hand picked hardware, or for that person to have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shellworld which is now running Ubuntu 16.04, or my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dreamhost setup for work which is not as current. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have no problem doing that at all, but the box must
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for music making and media..which means in person real
> >>>>>>>>>>>> skill. long distance has simply produced amusing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> efforts with no progress. My favorite local effort was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when someone building a machine for me showed up with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux. They
> >>>>>>>>>>>> popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> waited lol!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on one side of the keyboard, not using the full
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing,  which for me personally is counter productive.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> machine actually, let me get information without ever
> >>>>>>>>>>>> taking my hands off the keys unless I need to review.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes
> >>>>>>>>>>>> me dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> whatever I am using. Long answer to as short comment,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From: Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in the console.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   which is why I am going to find one on line
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere. I have no actual Linux box myself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Kare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.exe or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sorry it has been many years since I did the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. The readme file will tell you all about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Well it must require more because when I tried
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Even trying for a help menu produced the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question, are you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Granted we may not have it fully configured here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again, Kare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   edbrowse file
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebrowse?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish to test
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Karen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Tim here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Mark Peveto wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How would I print to my printer for example,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   It depends on what you want to print, but it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Getting fancier output would involve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   docs from the command-line to the printer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I don't know what you want to print, but I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   most cases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   play an entire album from my music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   players. Some, such as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to specify
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just the files you want on the command line and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it will play
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mpc program acts like a remote-control,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letting you create/edit playlists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> map them to particular keys on my keyboard or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliases in the shell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   access to common commands with my media-keys.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How, also, would I create documents in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   format?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   usually it's done with a markup that suits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   what I reach for. But other people like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TeX/LaTeX (it does produce some beautiful output
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also has external library
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   like music markup letting you write scores)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while other people like some of the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light-weight markup languages like Markdown or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RST or the like.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   in the console?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   One program at a time (grins). So much like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GUI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your next adventure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I maintain a page listing a number of common
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   that can point you in the direction of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   out. Some might drive you crazy while others
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might fit your brain just right. They should all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be free and are likely in most software repos, so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't cost you anything except a little time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to try each one out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   me is gonna hafta be patient.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   we'll be glad to help where we can.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

The links in this post aren't any good any more.  There doesn't seem to be a good download link for JFD anymore, so hopefully someone's actually got the
file, and is willing to share.  I'm just curious, did the links work for you?



Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
> find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
> http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
>
> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
> > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> > really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
> > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
> > helpful.  thanks yall.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
> > > screen
> > > reading program.
> > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
> > > start
> > > files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
> > > first
> > > from floppy etc.
> > > Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > > > year
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > > > >
> > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > > > application that you throw at it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -tim
> > > > >
> > > > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > > > How can i get it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > > > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   or
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   -tim
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

The links in that post didn't work for me, which is why I said you'll 
need to find the executable yourself. Googling for "JAWS for Windows" I 
found the Historical Access Preservation Project at 
https://allinaccess.com/happ/ and they have a mirror where you can get 
the JAWS for DOS executable.

On 02/06/17 08:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> The links in this post aren't any good any more.  There doesn't seem to be a good download link for JFD anymore, so hopefully someone's actually got the
> file, and is willing to share.  I'm just curious, did the links work for you?
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
>> find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
>> http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
>>
>> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
>>> I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
>>> really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
>>> get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
>>> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
>>> helpful.  thanks yall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
>>>> screen
>>>> reading program.
>>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
>>>> start
>>>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
>>>> first
>>>> from floppy etc.
>>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>>>> year
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>>>    From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>    I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I think opendos is available and that version of dos by default doesn't 
do int 10 screen writes by default but can do those if configured.

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:06:42
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> Yoshio here.
>
> I typed "jaws for dos" as a search term at https://duckduckgo.com
> and found:
>
> http://allinaccess.com/happ/
> click on the "local mirror" link, which is
> http://allinaccess.com/happ/files/jaws/
> the readme file is there at
> http://allinaccess.com/happ/files/jaws/JAWSDOS.txt
>
> If you click on links from http://allinaccess.com/
> you can find all sorts of things.
>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

jaws for dos last time I found it was on an ftp site.  I used that link 
several years ago and haven't got it any longer, but freedomscientific I 
think has an ftp site separate from its web page you might search 
through.
Depending on your hardware synthesizer, provox 7 which is a pretty close 
emulation of vocaleyes may work.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 22:52:31
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.  I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be helpful.  thanks yall.
>
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen
>> reading program.
>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start
>> files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing first
>> from floppy etc.
>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>> year
>>>>
>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>
>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>
>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>
>>>> -tim
>>>>
>>>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Actually,
This claim is not true or at least not entirely.
While freedos is indeed currently developed, there are many pure dos 
things that present issues.  I have been on the freedos list for a number 
of years, one reason why I do not use freedos myself is the risks involved 
with   blending traditional sources of dos programs with freedos.
Further, unless they incorporated a different USB driver, the one included 
is not full proof.
Granted those doing the steps you desire can suggest for themselves.
Still I run a package of ms dos 7.1 which has utilities from 2005 or so. 
additionally I have a USB dos driver written by Panasonic which does far 
more than the USB one included with freedos.
the package installs from a cd, although you can create floppies if you 
desire.
A great deal  depends on your hardware, I have my  computers built, the one 
I am  using now is a p3 with about 780 meg of memory, but I have used dos 
successfully since 1988.
I am looking forward to learning which DOS editions other members are 
using.  I still have a copy of telix myself smiles.
Karen


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> year
>
> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>
> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> files to write to a USB disk)
>
> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> application that you throw at it.
>
> -tim
>
> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>> How can i get it?
>>
>>
>> Mark Peveto
>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>> reader.
>>>
>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>
>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>
>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>
>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>> discussion wrote:
>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>> the console.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not.
>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>> person training.
>>>>>
>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>
>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>> Kare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

ebsetup I think is the script that needs running for an account but copy 
that script into the home directory first and run it from inside the home 
directory or edbrowse will be permanently confused. On Wed, 31 May 2017, 
Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 00:12:21
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
> 
> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or edbrowse-setup or something like that.
> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> The readme file will tell you all about it.
>
>
> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I just got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking for business solutions?
> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
> Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> Kare
>
>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> If you mean to browse something just type:
>>
>> edbrowse url
>> or
>> edbrowse file
>>
>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>
>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I love it.
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test something.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with surfraw-heavy.
>>>
>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim here
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto wrote
>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
>>> command line linux user.
>>>
>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
>>> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>
>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>
>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be configured to
>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
>>> box for you).
>>>
>>> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>
>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
>>> most cases.
>>>
>>> play an entire album from my music collection.
>>>
>>> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
>>> control over playback.
>>>
>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>
>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
>>> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>>> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
>>>
>>>
>>> How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
>>> format?
>>>
>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I personally
>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
>>> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
>>> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
>>> or the like.
>>>
>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
>>> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
>>> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss. And
>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
>>> features as you've acknowledged)
>>>
>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
>>> in the console?
>>>
>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the items above,
>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
>>>
>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
>>>
>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>
>>> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
>>> just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
>>> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
>>> each one out.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>
>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>
>>> -tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi Tim,

Nice list of applications. I'd like to offer 
an addition for music recording and editing: Nama.

https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html
https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Audio-Nama/script/nama

FYI, Nama uses Ecasound as the audio processing backend,
and takes care of lots of details that makes it much
easier to work like a conventional multitrack recorder or DAW.
It is a perl module, and installs from CPAN.

With friendly greetings,
Joel

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 06:18:47PM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Tim here
> 
> Mark Peveto wrote
> > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> > command line linux user.
> 
> I'm mostly there.  Web browsing is the big hurdle for much of my
> day-to-day use.  Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
> 
> > How would I print to my printer for example,
> 
> It depends on what you want to print, but it usually involves piping
> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program.  It can be configured to
> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> box for you).
> 
> Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort of markup.
> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even Word/LibreOffice
> docs from the command-line to the printer.
> 
> I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can be done in
> most cases.
> 
> > play an entire album from my music collection.
> 
> It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens of music
> players.  Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> specify just the files you want on the command line and it will play
> them.  Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> control over playback.
> 
> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player Daemon/Client that
> runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI.  The mpd
> program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control playback,
> etc.  I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have quick
> access to common commands with my media-keys.
> 
> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but also has a
> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc.  I start up tmux and have a
> pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them pretty
> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical player.
> 
> 
> > How, also, would I create documents in something beyond text
> > format?
> 
> usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes.  I personally
> have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so that's
> what I reach for.  But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> some beautiful output and also has external library support for things
> like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> or the like.
> 
> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to you.
> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to MS-Word
> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal loss.  And
> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> features as you've acknowledged)
> 
> > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer
> > in the console?
> 
> One program at a time (grins).  So much like each of the items above,
> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but would like
> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
> 
> I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line tools:
> 
> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> 
> that can point you in the direction of various applications to try
> out.  Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> just right.  They should all be free and are likely in most software
> repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> each one out.
> 
> > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help
> > me is gonna hafta be patient.  
> 
> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient bunch, so
> we'll be glad to help where we can.
> 
> -tim
> 
> 
> 
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Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Thanks, I've added it!  -tim

On May 26, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Nice list of applications. I'd like to offer 
> an addition for music recording and editing: Nama.

Re: living in the console.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

1. I use the tools in the cups-bsd package for printing.  "lpr <filename>"

2. For music, I've ripped all of my CDs and I play them with mplayer or 
mpg321.

3. For documents, I create them in latex and convert them to pdf via 
pdflatex before sending them to others.



On 05/25/2017 05:29 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Mark Peveto here.
> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally command line linux user.  I know there are those who've done it, but i simply have
> not known how.  Now that I'm trafficing in hardware synths that don't work in the GUI, that desire has increased.
> How would I print to my printer for example, or play an entire album from my music collection.  How, also, would I create documents in
> something beyond text format?  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has to offer in the console?
> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides to help me is gonna hafta be patient.  My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think I'm
> still up to the challenge.
> 
> 
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
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