From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v53Iifrw015215 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 14:44:41 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 36E4A17AE3; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx01.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3116E5DD66 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (server2.shellworld.net [66.172.12.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6552585363 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com 6552585363 Authentication-Results: ext-mx01.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=hubert-humphrey.com Authentication-Results: ext-mx01.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=chime@hubert-humphrey.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mx1.redhat.com 6552585363 Received: by server2.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1028) id 98CA68C0349; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942DF8C01CF for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:37:33 -0700 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: re: living in the console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:07:04 by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Sat, 03 Jun 2017 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Sat, 03 Jun 2017 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'66.172.12.120' DOMAIN:'server2.shellworld.net' HELO:'server2.shellworld.net' FROM:'chime@hubert-humphrey.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 2 ** (BAYES_80) 66.172.12.120 server2.shellworld.net 66.172.12.120 server2.shellworld.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.25 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 18:44:41 -0000 Actually I agree with Karen, even though I have been in Linux since 2003, but subscribing to shell accounts since 1995. Sure Linux is powerful and because its case sensative you can have practicly unlimited amount of file names. My problems are ways which man-pages are written. They really don't adequately explain to a new user how to use a command. I think I remember the DOS help system much simpler. 1 of our LUG members suggested this user driven Linux application, called "bro" from www.bropages.org Since I don't have it installed on this laptop, I cannot show an example, but 1 which I contributed, if you were to type bro unrar 1 of those 4 suggestions was about useing a wild-card. In general I was eventually able to understand a DOS batch file, but especially since I am not a fan of punctuation, when Linux man-pages show examples, I tend to take them quite literally. And lastly, I would still love to run my DecTalk U S B with Vocal-Eyes, where I was able to enjoy a large exception dictionary. Thanks for listening Chime