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Without knowing more about your computer I cannot help you. Although I believe I came across a link to download jaws for dos recently. Kare On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine. I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I > really wanted. But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years since > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available. More input would be helpful. thanks yall. > > > > Mark Peveto > Registered Linux user number 600552 > Everything happens after coffee! > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen >> reading program. >> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start >> files for your screen reader on the disk you are using. Or installing first >> from floppy etc. >> Depends on what you are using all the way around. >> Karen >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen? >>> >>> >>> Mark Peveto >>> Registered Linux user number 600552 >>> Everything happens after coffee! >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> >>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this >>>> year >>>> >>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/ >>>> >>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media >>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your >>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image >>>> files to write to a USB disk) >>>> >>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS >>>> application that you throw at it. >>>> >>>> -tim >>>> >>>> On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness! >>>>> How can i get it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Peveto >>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552 >>>>> Everything happens after coffee! >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine >>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen >>>>>> reader. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem >>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles. >>>>>> >>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to >>>>>> remote accounts etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux >>>>>> consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local >>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server. >>>>>> >>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls >>>>>> from my main keyboard. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general >>>>>> discussion wrote: >>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a >>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work >>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a >>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to >>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output >>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did >>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on >>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36 >>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>> To: Linux for blind general >>>>>>>> discussion Subject: Re: living in >>>>>>>> the console. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not. >>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my >>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system. >>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something >>>>>>>> I did not think would be such an issue. I mean I do it >>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later edition of DOS that >>>>>>>> gives me something needful. My present dos package for >>>>>>>> example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, has >>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying >>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than a >>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine. >>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can >>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in >>>>>>>> basic but informative detail does not exist, let alone in >>>>>>>> person training. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send >>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked >>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to >>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into >>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running >>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as >>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box >>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for >>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill. >>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no >>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building >>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to >>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we >>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one >>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me >>>>>>>> personally is counter productive. >>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine >>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands >>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review. >>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me >>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am >>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment, >>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop, >>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30 >>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>>> To: Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>> discussion Subject: Re: living >>>>>>>>>> in the console. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere. >>>>>>>>>> I have no actual Linux box myself. >>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup > or something like that. >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup. >>>>>>>>>>> The readme file will tell you all about it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>>> discussion > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Well it must require more because when I tried >>>>>>>>>>>> visiting >>>>>>>>>> paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank >>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>>> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> looking for > business solutions? >>>>>>>>>>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at >>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again, >>>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse file >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other >>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind >>>>>>>>>> general discussion > > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse? >>>>>>>>>>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish >>>>>>>>>>>> to test >>>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered >>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle >>>>>>>>>> for much of my >>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many >>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully >>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would I print to my printer for example, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it >>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping >>>>>>>>>>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>> configured to >>>>>>>>>>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be >>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting fancier output would involve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some >>>>>>>>>> sort of markup. >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> even > > >>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice >>>>>>>>>>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect >>>>>>>>>> it can be done in >>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play an entire album from my music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally >>>>>>>>>> dozens of music >>>>>>>>>>>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and >>>>>>>>>> it will play >>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give >>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player >>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that >>>>>>>>>>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you >>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists, >>>>>>>>>> control playback, >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map >>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell >>>>>>>>>> and have > > > quick >>>>>>>>>>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI >>>>>>>>>> but also has a >>>>>>>>>>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up >>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus >>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between >>>>>>>>>> them > > > pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search >>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be >>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a >>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How, also, would I create documents in >>>>>>>>>> something beyond text >>>>>>>>>>>>> format? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally >>>>>>>>>>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid >>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > > that's >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX >>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has >>>>>>>>>>>>> external library >>>>>>>>>> support for > > > things >>>>>>>>>>>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while >>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight >>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels >>>>>>>>>> natural to you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that >>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of >>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown >>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert >>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word >>>>>>>>>>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with >>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And >>>>>>>>>>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you >>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since >>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've >>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of >>>>>>>>>> the items above, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI >>>>>>>>>> but would > > > like >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your >>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common >>>>>>>>>> command-line tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can point you in the direction of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various >>>>>>>>>> applications to try >>>>>>>>>>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might >>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free >>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to >>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever >>>>>>>>>> decides to help >>>>>>>>>>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so >>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -tim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Rudy Vener >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >