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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20170525181847.50b1a16c@bigbox.christie.dr> <5ED6A047-C99B-479C-819B-533A9B3900E4@BlueMail.com> <0BA3D3CA-0D4F-4C93-BBB6-0CE4BC9DCB29@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Delayed for 46:05:16 by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Thu, 01 Jun 2017 20:07:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Thu, 01 Jun 2017 20:07:07 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'66.172.12.120' DOMAIN:'server2.shellworld.net' HELO:'server2.shellworld.net' FROM:'klewellen@shellworld.net' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 3.699 *** (BAYES_99, BAYES_999, RP_MATCHES_RCVD) 66.172.12.120 server2.shellworld.net 66.172.12.120 server2.shellworld.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.38 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 20:07:11 -0000 But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with ssh telnet? On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible > screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's > possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the > dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all > console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did > this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do > that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files. > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: Linux for blind general discussion >> Subject: Re: living in the console. >> >> I am not. >> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer, >> it is not like I can just buy a system. >> That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not >> think would be such an issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I >> find a later edition of DOS that gives me something needful. My present >> dos package for example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, >> has full USB >> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent >> for the Linux side for more than a decade now, almost 15 years or so I >> imagine. >> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can be found. >> clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative >> detail does not exist, let alone in person training. >> >> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not >> to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person >> to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious. >> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now >> running Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as >> current. >> I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my >> specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means >> in person real skill. long distance has simply produced amusing efforts >> with no progress. >> My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed >> up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux. >> They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol! >> >> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the >> keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me personally is counter >> productive. >> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me >> get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to >> review. >> Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need >> to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using. >> Long answer to as short comment, >> Kare >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >> > If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ >> > is one good source. >> > >> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> > >> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30 >> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion >> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion >> > > Subject: Re: living in the console. >> > > >> > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere. >> > > I have no actual Linux box myself. >> > > Kare >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> > > >> > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or >> > > > edbrowse-setup or something like that. >> > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup. >> > > > The readme file will tell you all about it. >> > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general >> > > > > > discussion > >> > > wrote: >> > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I >> > > > > just >> > > > got a series of numbers and a blank page. >> > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking >> > > > for business solutions? >> > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld. >> > > > Will hunt some sort of manual and try again, >> > > > Kare >> > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > If you mean to browse something just type: >> > > > > > > edbrowse url >> > > > > or >> > > > > edbrowse file >> > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed. >> > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I >> > > > > > > love >> > > it. >> > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general >> > > discussion > > wrote: >> > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse? >> > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test >> > > something. >> > > > > Karen >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with >> > > surfraw-heavy. >> > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone >> > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion >> > > > > > > > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Tim here >> > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote >> > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a >> > > > > > totally >> > > > > > command line linux user. >> > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > my >> > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but >> > > > > > some >> > > > > > sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser. >> > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example, >> > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it usually >> > > > > > > > > involves >> > > piping >> > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be >> > > > > > configured >> > > to >> > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > box for you). >> > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > markup. >> > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > >> > > Word/LibreOffice >> > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer. >> > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can >> > > > > > > > > be >> > > done in >> > > > > > most cases. >> > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music collection. >> > > > > > > > > It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > music >> > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to >> > > > > > specify just the files you want on the command line and it will >> > > play >> > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little >> > > > > > more >> > > > > > control over playback. >> > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player >> > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client >> > > that >> > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd >> > > > > > program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a >> > > > > > remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control >> > > playback, >> > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to >> > > > > > particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have >> > > > > > > > >> > > > quick >> > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys. >> > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but >> > > > > > > > > also >> > > has a >> > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have >> > > > > > a >> > > > > > pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them >> > > > > > > > >> > > > pretty >> > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection, >> > > > > > shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical > >> > > > > > > > >> > > player. >> > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in something >> > > > > > > > > > > > beyond >> > > text >> > > > > > format? >> > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I >> > > personally >> > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so >> > > > > > > > >> > > > that's >> > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does >> > > > > > produce >> > > > > > some beautiful output and also has external library support for >> > > > > > > > >> > > > things >> > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while other people >> > > > > > like >> > > > > > some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or >> > > > > > RST >> > > > > > or the like. >> > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to >> > > you. >> > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you >> > > > > > convert >> > > > > > between a large number of input/output formats so you can write >> > > > > > in >> > > > > > Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to >> > > MS-Word >> > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal >> > > > > > loss. >> > > And >> > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some >> > > > > > information in the process since plain-text doesn't support >> > > > > > many >> > > > > > features as you've acknowledged) >> > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has >> > > > > > > > > to >> > > offer >> > > > > > in the console? >> > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the >> > > > > > > > > items >> > > above, >> > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but >> > > > > > would > >> > > > > like >> > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next >> > > > > > adventure. >> > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line >> > > tools: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/ >> > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of various >> > > > > > > > > applications >> > > to try >> > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your >> > > > > > brain >> > > > > > just right. They should all be free and are likely in most >> > > > > > software >> > > > > > repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to >> > > > > > try >> > > > > > each one out. >> > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides >> > > > > > > > > to >> > > help >> > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient. >> > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient >> > > > > > > > > bunch, >> > > so >> > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can. >> > > > > > > > > -tim >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Blinux-list mailing list >> > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > >