cellular net access?

cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

		Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.

Re: cellular net access?

[Gil Andre]

Hi!

Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
Chapter 11, anyway.

GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
GSM.

To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
is prohibitive... To say the least.

Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.

Sorry!  =(


On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:

>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
> 


/-------------------------------------\
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|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
\-------------------------------------/

Re: cellular net access?

[Charles McCathieNevile]

Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone as an
audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...

chaals

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:


  Hi!

  Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
  only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
  networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
  Chapter 11, anyway.

  GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
  is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
  much better, and do not offer the communication quality of
  GSM.

  To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
  think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
  gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
  is prohibitive... To say the least.

  Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
  These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
  remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
  And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.

  Sorry!  =(


  On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
  Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:

  >Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
  > states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
  > what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
  > xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
  > pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
  >


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Re: cellular net access?

[Gil Andre]

I don't think so. Of course, I may be wrong.

A mobile phone is constrained by technical limitations, that
are built-in the cellular network you are using.

Current GSM networks, due to their architecture, cannot allow
you to have more than 9.6 Kbps of bandwidth -- this has nothing
to do with the type of transmission (digital or audio) but
with the speed of the GSM protocol itself. While I am not a
specialist of other (analog) cellular systems, I believe they
are even worse in this respect, since they do not have the
error checking and digital transmission GSM offers.

More than that, but a "56" Kbps transmission depends on having
digital links (read: fiber optics) between your modem to the
other one. In short, it's an ugly kludge that takes advantage
of some possibilities of the telephone digital switiching
system to increase the available bandwidth.

In some areas of the world, you'll never ever get 56 Kbps, since
the phone system is almost 100% copper wire and analog switches.
And even if your telephone system is all fiber optics and digital
switches, you'll never *exactly* get 56 Kbps: the best I can have
is about 50.xxx Kbps, and I am in an area which is almost pure
digital & fiber optics -- to the point that getting a DSL line
is a matter of days, not weeks.

On GSM, again, you bump into the limitations of the GSM standard
itself: transmissions are limited to 9.6 Kbps -- period. Getting
an audio connection to go faster than this seems very dubious.

Disclaimer: of course, everything I say here could be completely
wrong. In that case, I would be very, very, very interested in 
getting one of these cards... Email and web access anywhere...
Oh, yes!   <grin>


On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:26:42 -0500 (EST)
Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> wrote:

> Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone as an
> audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
> 
> chaals
> 


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|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
\-------------------------------------/

Re: cellular net access?

[David Poehlman]

yes, but you can't do much other than check email with it it seems
because of instability in the connection and the strain on the pipe.  Go
america has this in some areas and if you want to surf the web and pull
audio or highly graphical pages it is a no go.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: cellular net access?


Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone
as an
audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...

chaals

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:


  Hi!

  Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
  only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
  networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
  Chapter 11, anyway.

  GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
  is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
  much better, and do not offer the communication quality of
  GSM.

  To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
  think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
  gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
  is prohibitive... To say the least.

  Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
  These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
  remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
  And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.

  Sorry!  =(


  On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
  Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:

  >Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
  > states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't
care
  > what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
millenium or
  > xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci
to
  > pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
  >


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Re: cellular net access?

[Janina Sajka]

If you mean that you want to use a modem over a cellular telephone 
connection, yes, you can do that if you have the requisite equipment and 
accounts. Obviously, you need a cell phone account, and you need a modem 
that knows how to use cellular, or a modem that can talk to a cell phone. 
My solution is the latter. My Audiovox 9000 has a data port and I connect 
to it over a serial cable. It is only 9.6, though. I don't know of 
anything faster. And, it can get expensive quickly because you can eat up 
the minutes very quickly this way.

 On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Brent Harding 
wrote:

> 		Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Don't the satellite options cost over $1 per minute to operate? I didn't
think they're cheap, world coverage, could be usefull, but expensive. Is
anyone buying out ricochet? and keeping the same type of service?
At 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Hi!
>
>Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>Chapter 11, anyway.
>
>GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>GSM.
>
>To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>is prohibitive... To say the least.
>
>Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>
>Sorry!  =(
>
>
>On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>
>>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>> 
>
>
>/-------------------------------------\
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>|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Do they make them pci, and with what carrier can I use them?
At 04:26 AM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone as an
>audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
>
>chaals
>
>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:
>
>
>  Hi!
>
>  Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>  only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>  networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>  Chapter 11, anyway.
>
>  GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>  is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>  much better, and do not offer the communication quality of
>  GSM.
>
>  To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>  think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>  gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>  is prohibitive... To say the least.
>
>  Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>  These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>  remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>  And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>
>  Sorry!  =(
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>  Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>
>  >Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>  > states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>  > what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
millenium or
>  > xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>  > pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>  >
>
>
>  /-------------------------------------\
>  |   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>  |Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
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>Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

I do want to stream audio with it, actually, maybe not the thing then.
What's this wireless web I've heard of capable of, can it be used with a PC?
At 07:19 AM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
>yes, but you can't do much other than check email with it it seems
>because of instability in the connection and the strain on the pipe.  Go
>america has this in some areas and if you want to surf the web and pull
>audio or highly graphical pages it is a no go.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
>To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:26 AM
>Subject: Re: cellular net access?
>
>
>Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone
>as an
>audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
>
>chaals
>
>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:
>
>
>  Hi!
>
>  Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>  only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>  networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>  Chapter 11, anyway.
>
>  GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>  is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>  much better, and do not offer the communication quality of
>  GSM.
>
>  To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>  think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>  gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>  is prohibitive... To say the least.
>
>  Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>  These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>  remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>  And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>
>  Sorry!  =(
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>  Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>
>  >Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>  > states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't
>care
>  > what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
>millenium or
>  > xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci
>to
>  > pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>  >
>
>
>  /-------------------------------------\
>  |   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>  |Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
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>617 258 5999
>Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Oh, I suppose minutes go easily, even if I were able to get 2800 night and
weekend, and 200 any time, the 200 minutes is only 3 hours and 20 minutes
of use, the 2800 is almost two days of constant use depending on what they
consider night and weekends, whether night is after 5, or any other time.
At 10:02 AM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
>If you mean that you want to use a modem over a cellular telephone 
>connection, yes, you can do that if you have the requisite equipment and 
>accounts. Obviously, you need a cell phone account, and you need a modem 
>that knows how to use cellular, or a modem that can talk to a cell phone. 
>My solution is the latter. My Audiovox 9000 has a data port and I connect 
>to it over a serial cable. It is only 9.6, though. I don't know of 
>anything faster. And, it can get expensive quickly because you can eat up 
>the minutes very quickly this way.
>
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Brent Harding 
>wrote:
>
>> 		Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
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>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
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Re: cellular net access?

[Janina Sajka]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> the 2800 is almost two days of constant use depending on what they
> consider night and weekends, whether night is after 5, or any other time.

5:00 PM? Dream on. Remember, these are companies doing their best to get 
their hands inside your wallet. They are not your friends. Usually, 
"night" starts at 9:00 PM and is over by 7:00 AM.

Dectalk drivers for Linux

[Jason Castonguay]

Hello everyone.

I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get (or where to get) the dec talk
drivers to work with kernel version 2.4.13.  If anyone can help out, I'd
greatly appreciate it.

Thank you very much.


Best regards,

-- 
"Let music echo the thoughts of your soul."

		--  Jason Castonguay <jcast@snet.net>

Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.

the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.

simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Hi!
>
>Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>Chapter 11, anyway.
>
>GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>GSM.
>
>To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>is prohibitive... To say the least.
>
>Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>
>Sorry!  =(
>
>
>On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>
>>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>> 
>
>
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Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

there are pcncia cards for laptops that are rated for both standard
landline dailup and cellular connections to certain phones, and they are
listed as being 56k modems, that may only be for andline useage as you say
gsm networks are limited to 9K6 data speed, but are seeminly trying to up
that with a new system, that I've heard isn't working well for them at the
moment, or that's what I've heard here in NZ anyway.

cdma is a digital network, it stands for coded devisional multiple access,
or something along those lines, it is replacing an older analogue system
here in new zealand.

At 10:43 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
>I don't think so. Of course, I may be wrong.
>
>A mobile phone is constrained by technical limitations, that
>are built-in the cellular network you are using.
>
>Current GSM networks, due to their architecture, cannot allow
>you to have more than 9.6 Kbps of bandwidth -- this has nothing
>to do with the type of transmission (digital or audio) but
>with the speed of the GSM protocol itself. While I am not a
>specialist of other (analog) cellular systems, I believe they
>are even worse in this respect, since they do not have the
>error checking and digital transmission GSM offers.
>
>More than that, but a "56" Kbps transmission depends on having
>digital links (read: fiber optics) between your modem to the
>other one. In short, it's an ugly kludge that takes advantage
>of some possibilities of the telephone digital switiching
>system to increase the available bandwidth.
>
>In some areas of the world, you'll never ever get 56 Kbps, since
>the phone system is almost 100% copper wire and analog switches.
>And even if your telephone system is all fiber optics and digital
>switches, you'll never *exactly* get 56 Kbps: the best I can have
>is about 50.xxx Kbps, and I am in an area which is almost pure
>digital & fiber optics -- to the point that getting a DSL line
>is a matter of days, not weeks.
>
>On GSM, again, you bump into the limitations of the GSM standard
>itself: transmissions are limited to 9.6 Kbps -- period. Getting
>an audio connection to go faster than this seems very dubious.
>
>Disclaimer: of course, everything I say here could be completely
>wrong. In that case, I would be very, very, very interested in 
>getting one of these cards... Email and web access anywhere...
>Oh, yes!   <grin>
>
>
>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:26:42 -0500 (EST)
>Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone
as an
>> audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
>> 
>> chaals
>> 
>
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Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

don't most cellular co charge by the amount being downloaded? in which case
even just getting your mail could be rather costly!

At 11:33 AM 12/17/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Oh, I suppose minutes go easily, even if I were able to get 2800 night and
>weekend, and 200 any time, the 200 minutes is only 3 hours and 20 minutes
>of use, the 2800 is almost two days of constant use depending on what they
>consider night and weekends, whether night is after 5, or any other time.
>At 10:02 AM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>If you mean that you want to use a modem over a cellular telephone 
>>connection, yes, you can do that if you have the requisite equipment and 
>>accounts. Obviously, you need a cell phone account, and you need a modem 
>>that knows how to use cellular, or a modem that can talk to a cell phone. 
>>My solution is the latter. My Audiovox 9000 has a data port and I connect 
>>to it over a serial cable. It is only 9.6, though. I don't know of 
>>anything faster. And, it can get expensive quickly because you can eat up 
>>the minutes very quickly this way.
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Brent Harding 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> 		Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
>>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: cellular net access?

[Janina Sajka]

Not here in the States that I'm aware of. It's strictly by time online 
here. 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, simon wrote:

> don't most cellular co charge by the amount being downloaded? in which case
> even just getting your mail could be rather costly!
> 
> At 11:33 AM 12/17/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Oh, I suppose minutes go easily, even if I were able to get 2800 night and
> >weekend, and 200 any time, the 200 minutes is only 3 hours and 20 minutes
> >of use, the 2800 is almost two days of constant use depending on what they
> >consider night and weekends, whether night is after 5, or any other time.
> >At 10:02 AM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >>If you mean that you want to use a modem over a cellular telephone 
> >>connection, yes, you can do that if you have the requisite equipment and 
> >>accounts. Obviously, you need a cell phone account, and you need a modem 
> >>that knows how to use cellular, or a modem that can talk to a cell phone. 
> >>My solution is the latter. My Audiovox 9000 has a data port and I connect 
> >>to it over a serial cable. It is only 9.6, though. I don't know of 
> >>anything faster. And, it can get expensive quickly because you can eat up 
> >>the minutes very quickly this way.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Brent Harding 
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>> 		Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
> >>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
> >>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
> >>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
> >>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: cellular net access?

[Janina Sajka]

There's a lot of CDMA in North America. My service from Verizon is CDMA. 
AT&T is primarily TDMA but beginning, tentatively, to move to GSM. 
Otherwise, there's very little GSM in North America.
 On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, 
simon wrote:

> Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
> we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
> speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
> the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
> 256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
> the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
> laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
> 
> the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
> not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
> would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
> 
> simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> >Hi!
> >
> >Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
> >only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
> >networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
> >Chapter 11, anyway.
> >
> >GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
> >is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
> >much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
> >GSM.
> >
> >To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
> >think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
> >gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
> >is prohibitive... To say the least.
> >
> >Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
> >These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
> >remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
> >And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
> >
> >Sorry!  =(
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
> >Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
> >> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
> >> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
> >> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
> >> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
> >> 
> >
> >
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Heardd that sprint uses cdma. Wh then, if everything's using mostly cdma or
gsm, do I need different phones for each cell company? Or is it like dsl,
in that each type of modem and isp use different protocols based on the
same thing? I know that with dsl that's true, but cell shouldn't be.
At 03:11 PM 12/18/01 +1300, you wrote:
>Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
>we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
>speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
>the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
>256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
>the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
>laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
>
>the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
>not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
>would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
>
>simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>Hi!
>>
>>Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>>only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>>networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>>Chapter 11, anyway.
>>
>>GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>>is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>>much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>>GSM.
>>
>>To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>>think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>>gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>>is prohibitive... To say the least.
>>
>>Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>>These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>>remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>>And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>>
>>Sorry!  =(
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
>>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>>> 
>>
>>
>>/-------------------------------------\
>>|   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>>|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
>>|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
>>\-------------------------------------/
>>
>>
>>
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

My laptop's modem, I believe has this feature for gsm, but not cdma, which
is bad in the states, as gsm coverage isn't probably that great, and with
my modem, I didn't get software to control such phones, but there's an
adapter on the end of the cable that you plug a phone cord in to that in
itself clicks off, probably for this use.
At 03:20 PM 12/18/01 +1300, you wrote:
>there are pcncia cards for laptops that are rated for both standard
>landline dailup and cellular connections to certain phones, and they are
>listed as being 56k modems, that may only be for andline useage as you say
>gsm networks are limited to 9K6 data speed, but are seeminly trying to up
>that with a new system, that I've heard isn't working well for them at the
>moment, or that's what I've heard here in NZ anyway.
>
>cdma is a digital network, it stands for coded devisional multiple access,
>or something along those lines, it is replacing an older analogue system
>here in new zealand.
>
>At 10:43 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>I don't think so. Of course, I may be wrong.
>>
>>A mobile phone is constrained by technical limitations, that
>>are built-in the cellular network you are using.
>>
>>Current GSM networks, due to their architecture, cannot allow
>>you to have more than 9.6 Kbps of bandwidth -- this has nothing
>>to do with the type of transmission (digital or audio) but
>>with the speed of the GSM protocol itself. While I am not a
>>specialist of other (analog) cellular systems, I believe they
>>are even worse in this respect, since they do not have the
>>error checking and digital transmission GSM offers.
>>
>>More than that, but a "56" Kbps transmission depends on having
>>digital links (read: fiber optics) between your modem to the
>>other one. In short, it's an ugly kludge that takes advantage
>>of some possibilities of the telephone digital switiching
>>system to increase the available bandwidth.
>>
>>In some areas of the world, you'll never ever get 56 Kbps, since
>>the phone system is almost 100% copper wire and analog switches.
>>And even if your telephone system is all fiber optics and digital
>>switches, you'll never *exactly* get 56 Kbps: the best I can have
>>is about 50.xxx Kbps, and I am in an area which is almost pure
>>digital & fiber optics -- to the point that getting a DSL line
>>is a matter of days, not weeks.
>>
>>On GSM, again, you bump into the limitations of the GSM standard
>>itself: transmissions are limited to 9.6 Kbps -- period. Getting
>>an audio connection to go faster than this seems very dubious.
>>
>>Disclaimer: of course, everything I say here could be completely
>>wrong. In that case, I would be very, very, very interested in 
>>getting one of these cards... Email and web access anywhere...
>>Oh, yes!   <grin>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:26:42 -0500 (EST)
>>Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone
>as an
>>> audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
>>> 
>>> chaals
>>> 
>>
>>
>>/-------------------------------------\
>>|   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>>|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
>>|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
>>\-------------------------------------/
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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Gsm is what we use on speak freely. Works pretty good. Not sure that
there's a cdma codec on the computer to properly do a direct comparison of
what the sound quality would be like.
At 09:58 AM 12/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>There's a lot of CDMA in North America. My service from Verizon is CDMA. 
>AT&T is primarily TDMA but beginning, tentatively, to move to GSM. 
>Otherwise, there's very little GSM in North America.
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, 
>simon wrote:
>
>> Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
>> we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
>> speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
>> the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
>> 256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
>> the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
>> laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
>> 
>> the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
>> not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
>> would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
>> 
>> simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi!
>> >
>> >Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>> >only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>> >networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>> >Chapter 11, anyway.
>> >
>> >GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>> >is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>> >much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>> >GSM.
>> >
>> >To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>> >think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>> >gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>> >is prohibitive... To say the least.
>> >
>> >Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>> >These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>> >remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>> >And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>> >
>> >Sorry!  =(
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>> >Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>> >> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>> >> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
millenium or
>> >> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>> >> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >/-------------------------------------\
>> >|   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>> >|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
>> >|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
>> >\-------------------------------------/
>> >
>> >
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>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
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>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
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Re: cellular net access?

[Gil Andre]

Hi.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:09:06 -0600
Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:

> Heardd that sprint uses cdma. Wh then, if everything's using mostly cdma or
> gsm, do I need different phones for each cell company? Or is it like dsl,
> in that each type of modem and isp use different protocols based on the
> same thing? I know that with dsl that's true, but cell shouldn't be.

GSM enforces "strong" authentication. Meaning: your cell
phone uses a microchip to register itself on the GSM
network when you turn it on. This allows the provider to
check for stolen cell phones, and reject connections by
microchips that have been declared stolen by their owner.

On the other hand, the microchip only identifies one
subscriber: you can use the same chip on different
phones, but only if they accept the same type of chips.

For instance phone "A" and phone "B" may be used with
the same chip. But that means there is only one line
for both.

Different providers may also use slightly different
frequencies to differentiate one network from another.
But I am not really sure about this. I think the main
difference really is the microchip. The GSM standard
is pretty detailed and I am not sure its digital
transmission system allows different frequencies.

Regards,

/-------------------------------------\
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|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
\-------------------------------------/

Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

So, the factory puts the chip in, or is this something in a slot you can
take out and use as an accessible security mechanism to protect against
unauthorized use? Of course many have locking features, but aren't
accessible without sighted help, which really defeats the purpose, they see
you enter the code.
At 06:32 PM 12/18/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Hi.
>
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:09:06 -0600
>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>
>> Heardd that sprint uses cdma. Wh then, if everything's using mostly cdma or
>> gsm, do I need different phones for each cell company? Or is it like dsl,
>> in that each type of modem and isp use different protocols based on the
>> same thing? I know that with dsl that's true, but cell shouldn't be.
>
>GSM enforces "strong" authentication. Meaning: your cell
>phone uses a microchip to register itself on the GSM
>network when you turn it on. This allows the provider to
>check for stolen cell phones, and reject connections by
>microchips that have been declared stolen by their owner.
>
>On the other hand, the microchip only identifies one
>subscriber: you can use the same chip on different
>phones, but only if they accept the same type of chips.
>
>For instance phone "A" and phone "B" may be used with
>the same chip. But that means there is only one line
>for both.
>
>Different providers may also use slightly different
>frequencies to differentiate one network from another.
>But I am not really sure about this. I think the main
>difference really is the microchip. The GSM standard
>is pretty detailed and I am not sure its digital
>transmission system allows different frequencies.
>
>Regards,
>
>/-------------------------------------\
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>|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
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Re: cellular net access?

[Janina Sajka]

You need different phones. CDMA and GSM are radically different.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> Heardd that sprint uses cdma. Wh then, if everything's using mostly cdma or
> gsm, do I need different phones for each cell company? Or is it like dsl,
> in that each type of modem and isp use different protocols based on the
> same thing? I know that with dsl that's true, but cell shouldn't be.
> At 03:11 PM 12/18/01 +1300, you wrote:
> >Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
> >we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
> >speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
> >the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
> >256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
> >the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
> >laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
> >
> >the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
> >not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
> >would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
> >
> >simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi!
> >>
> >>Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
> >>only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
> >>networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
> >>Chapter 11, anyway.
> >>
> >>GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
> >>is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
> >>much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
> >>GSM.
> >>
> >>To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
> >>think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
> >>gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
> >>is prohibitive... To say the least.
> >>
> >>Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
> >>These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
> >>remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
> >>And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
> >>
> >>Sorry!  =(
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
> >>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
> >>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
> >>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
> >>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
> >>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
> >>> 
> >>
> >>
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Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

the phones for cdma we have here in nz are very easy to connect to the net
using laptops and cell phone, it has a cable as I said that plugs into
rs232 and the phone, then just a case of setting up the connection 

At 09:58 AM 12/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>There's a lot of CDMA in North America. My service from Verizon is CDMA. 
>AT&T is primarily TDMA but beginning, tentatively, to move to GSM. 
>Otherwise, there's very little GSM in North America.
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, 
>simon wrote:
>
>> Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
>> we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
>> speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
>> the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
>> 256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
>> the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
>> laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
>> 
>> the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
>> not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
>> would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
>> 
>> simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi!
>> >
>> >Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>> >only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>> >networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>> >Chapter 11, anyway.
>> >
>> >GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>> >is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>> >much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>> >GSM.
>> >
>> >To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>> >think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>> >gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>> >is prohibitive... To say the least.
>> >
>> >Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>> >These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>> >remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>> >And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>> >
>> >Sorry!  =(
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>> >Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>> >> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>> >> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
millenium or
>> >> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>> >> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >/-------------------------------------\
>> >|   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>> >|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
>> >|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
>> >\-------------------------------------/
>> >
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Re: cellular net access?

[Andor Demarteau]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

 > There's a lot of CDMA in North America. My service from Verizon is CDMA. 
 > AT&T is primarily TDMA but beginning, tentatively, to move to GSM. 
 > Otherwise, there's very little GSM in North America.
Hence all the tribasnd phones sold by i.e. Moterola (Timeport models)
 >  On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, 
 > simon wrote:
 > 
 > > Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
 > > we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
 > > speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
 > > the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
 > > 256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
 > > the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
 > > laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
 > > 
 > > the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
 > > not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
 > > would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
 > > 
 > > simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
 > > >
 > > >Hi!
 > > >
 > > >Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
 > > >only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
 > > >networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
 > > >Chapter 11, anyway.
 > > >
 > > >GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
 > > >is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
 > > >much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
 > > >GSM.
 > > >
 > > >To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
 > > >think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
 > > >gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
 > > >is prohibitive... To say the least.
 > > >
 > > >Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
 > > >These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
 > > >remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
 > > >And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
 > > >
 > > >Sorry!  =(
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
 > > >Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
 > > >
 > > >>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
 > > >> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
 > > >> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to millenium or
 > > >> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
 > > >> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
 > > >> 
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >/-------------------------------------\
 > > >|   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
 > > >|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
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 > > >\-------------------------------------/
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Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

gsm and cdma use different technology in there phones, so yes you would
need different phones for different networks that way, but if you wanted to
use your gsm phone in another country you would need a simm card that is
compatible with that countries gsm network, but as far as I'm aware cdma is
usable in any country, you would just need to get your service agents to
setup international roming. but then again my cdma phone wont work in the
U.s, because the frequency bands are different, in some way. but the phones
in the U.s are able to work here in nz 
cdma has taken over from the old tdma network. it's ment to be bigger and
better, but who knows.

infact if anyone can tell me a website (s) that can give me info on cdma
phones I would much appreciate it, as the sellection here in nz is very
limited at the present time.

simont 11:09 AM 12/18/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Heardd that sprint uses cdma. Wh then, if everything's using mostly cdma or
>gsm, do I need different phones for each cell company? Or is it like dsl,
>in that each type of modem and isp use different protocols based on the
>same thing? I know that with dsl that's true, but cell shouldn't be.
>At 03:11 PM 12/18/01 +1300, you wrote:
>>Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
>>we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
>>speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
>>the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
>>256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
>>the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the pc or
>>laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
>>
>>the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe, but is
>>not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
>>would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
>>
>>simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>>>only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>>>networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>>>Chapter 11, anyway.
>>>
>>>GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>>>is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>>>much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>>>GSM.
>>>
>>>To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>>>think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>>>gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>>>is prohibitive... To say the least.
>>>
>>>Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>>>These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>>>remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>>>And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>>>
>>>Sorry!  =(
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>>>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>>>> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>>>> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
millenium or
>>>> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>>>> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>/-------------------------------------\
>>>|   Gil Andre -- Technical Writer     |
>>>|Knox Software: http://www.arkeia.com |
>>>|     email: gandre@arkeia.com        |
>>>\-------------------------------------/
>>>
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Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

with cdma you don't need a modem as the phone acts as the modem itself.

At 11:11 AM 12/18/01 -0600, you wrote:
>My laptop's modem, I believe has this feature for gsm, but not cdma, which
>is bad in the states, as gsm coverage isn't probably that great, and with
>my modem, I didn't get software to control such phones, but there's an
>adapter on the end of the cable that you plug a phone cord in to that in
>itself clicks off, probably for this use.
>At 03:20 PM 12/18/01 +1300, you wrote:
>>there are pcncia cards for laptops that are rated for both standard
>>landline dailup and cellular connections to certain phones, and they are
>>listed as being 56k modems, that may only be for andline useage as you say
>>gsm networks are limited to 9K6 data speed, but are seeminly trying to up
>>that with a new system, that I've heard isn't working well for them at the
>>moment, or that's what I've heard here in NZ anyway.
>>
>>cdma is a digital network, it stands for coded devisional multiple access,
>>or something along those lines, it is replacing an older analogue system
>>here in new zealand.
>>
>>At 10:43 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't think so. Of course, I may be wrong.
>>>
>>>A mobile phone is constrained by technical limitations, that
>>>are built-in the cellular network you are using.
>>>
>>>Current GSM networks, due to their architecture, cannot allow
>>>you to have more than 9.6 Kbps of bandwidth -- this has nothing
>>>to do with the type of transmission (digital or audio) but
>>>with the speed of the GSM protocol itself. While I am not a
>>>specialist of other (analog) cellular systems, I believe they
>>>are even worse in this respect, since they do not have the
>>>error checking and digital transmission GSM offers.
>>>
>>>More than that, but a "56" Kbps transmission depends on having
>>>digital links (read: fiber optics) between your modem to the
>>>other one. In short, it's an ugly kludge that takes advantage
>>>of some possibilities of the telephone digital switiching
>>>system to increase the available bandwidth.
>>>
>>>In some areas of the world, you'll never ever get 56 Kbps, since
>>>the phone system is almost 100% copper wire and analog switches.
>>>And even if your telephone system is all fiber optics and digital
>>>switches, you'll never *exactly* get 56 Kbps: the best I can have
>>>is about 50.xxx Kbps, and I am in an area which is almost pure
>>>digital & fiber optics -- to the point that getting a DSL line
>>>is a matter of days, not weeks.
>>>
>>>On GSM, again, you bump into the limitations of the GSM standard
>>>itself: transmissions are limited to 9.6 Kbps -- period. Getting
>>>an audio connection to go faster than this seems very dubious.
>>>
>>>Disclaimer: of course, everything I say here could be completely
>>>wrong. In that case, I would be very, very, very interested in 
>>>getting one of these cards... Email and web access anywhere...
>>>Oh, yes!   <grin>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:26:42 -0500 (EST)
>>>Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone
>>as an
>>>> audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
>>>> 
>>>> chaals
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: cellular net access?

[simon]

you can find out some information on cdma by checking out the telecom nz
site at 
http://www.telecom.co.nz,
sorry I can't think off the top of my head what the rest of the address is,
but it's something along the lines of wireless/cdma1 
but if you follow the links it's given some good info on the developments
in the network.

simonAt 11:31 AM 12/18/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Gsm is what we use on speak freely. Works pretty good. Not sure that
>there's a cdma codec on the computer to properly do a direct comparison of
>what the sound quality would be like.
>At 09:58 AM 12/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>There's a lot of CDMA in North America. My service from Verizon is CDMA. 
>>AT&T is primarily TDMA but beginning, tentatively, to move to GSM. 
>>Otherwise, there's very little GSM in North America.
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, 
>>simon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi you might want to research the cellular network known as CDMA , 
>>> we have it here in new zealand as  a competitor to gsm, it has a current
>>> speed here of 14.4kbps, but is very soon to go up to 144kbps, and again in
>>> the next year telecom nz are saying it will increase to something around
>>> 256k, before the intro of 3g phones within the next 24 months.
>>> the phones connect with a cable to the rs232 (serial com) port of the
pc or
>>> laptop. and I have a feelling that you can also get usb connections also.
>>> 
>>> the cdma is i beleave available in the usa parts of asia and europe,
but is
>>> not yet well known. it is only 5 months old here in new zealand, but I
>>> would look into it as it seems to work fine for data linkups.
>>> 
>>> simon 10:19 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Hi!
>>> >
>>> >Sorry -- as far as I know, that does not exist anymore. The
>>> >only solution close to that bandwidth was Ricochet (wireless
>>> >networking) but that company is dead. Or close to death and
>>> >Chapter 11, anyway.
>>> >
>>> >GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
>>> >is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
>>> >much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 
>>> >GSM.
>>> >
>>> >To get close to that kind of speed, the only solution I can
>>> >think of is satellite phone/modems (such as Intelsat), which
>>> >gives you up to 36.6 Kbps anywhere in the world, but the price
>>> >is prohibitive... To say the least.
>>> >
>>> >Your best bet? Wait for the 3G phones (next-generation GSM).
>>> >These promises HUGE speed increases -- up to 128.8 Kbps, if I
>>> >remember well -- but they won't be in use for another 3 years.
>>> >And they will be deployed first in Europe, not in the USA.
>>> >
>>> >Sorry!  =(
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:50:02 -0600
>>> >Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Is there any good way to get cellular access to the Internet in the
>>> >> states at at least 28.8 k using my computer to get online? I don't care
>>> >> what OS I must use as long as it's not required to upgrade to
>millenium or
>>> >> xp, staying with 98 and linux. If it's a pcmcia card, is there a pci to
>>> >> pcmcia adapter that I can put the card in a desktop system? Thanks.
>>> >> 
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RE: Dectalk drivers for Linux

[Jason Castonguay]

Hello Gena and fellow listers.

I am afraid I was not very clear when I wrote earlier requesting
information about dectalk drivers.

The drivers I am looking for are for the dectalk PC.  The drivers weren't
for a specific program that I am aware of.   These drivers simply made a
device (usually /dev/dtpc0) that you could send information to and hear it
through your dectalk PC.  These drivers worked with Kernel version 2.2.x,
but now that I have 2.4.13, they won't compile.  The original package was
called dectalk_pc-0.95.  Anyone know anything about it and how we can make
it work with this kernel version?

Thanks for any and all help.


Best regards,

-- 
"Let music echo the thoughts of your soul."

		--  Jason Castonguay <jcast@snet.net>

On Dec 19, 2001 18:20 -0000, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
>
> Not sure what your asking here.  Which dectalk drivers to use with what?
> I've used the 2.4.13 kernel with Speakup patched into it that driven a
> dectalk express on ttyS0.
>
> Gena
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> Subject: Dectalk drivers for Linux
>
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get (or where to get) the dec talk
> drivers to work with kernel version 2.4.13.  If anyone can help out, I'd
> greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> Best regards,
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RE: Dectalk drivers for Linux

[Georgina]

Hi

Not sure what your asking here.  Which dectalk drivers to use with what?
I've used the 2.4.13 kernel with Speakup patched into it that driven a
dectalk express on ttyS0.

Gena
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Subject: Dectalk drivers for Linux


Hello everyone.

I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get (or where to get) the dec talk
drivers to work with kernel version 2.4.13.  If anyone can help out, I'd
greatly appreciate it.

Thank you very much.


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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Oh, one trouble even if I do use it with a laptop as well, what if I only
have one serial port, the other is already used for my dectalk express, and
my laptop's sound sucks, so I'd never use software speech. What would put
the phone in to internet mode?
At 10:15 AM 12/19/01 +1300, you wrote:
>with cdma you don't need a modem as the phone acts as the modem itself.
>
>At 11:11 AM 12/18/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>My laptop's modem, I believe has this feature for gsm, but not cdma, which
>>is bad in the states, as gsm coverage isn't probably that great, and with
>>my modem, I didn't get software to control such phones, but there's an
>>adapter on the end of the cable that you plug a phone cord in to that in
>>itself clicks off, probably for this use.
>>At 03:20 PM 12/18/01 +1300, you wrote:
>>>there are pcncia cards for laptops that are rated for both standard
>>>landline dailup and cellular connections to certain phones, and they are
>>>listed as being 56k modems, that may only be for andline useage as you say
>>>gsm networks are limited to 9K6 data speed, but are seeminly trying to up
>>>that with a new system, that I've heard isn't working well for them at the
>>>moment, or that's what I've heard here in NZ anyway.
>>>
>>>cdma is a digital network, it stands for coded devisional multiple access,
>>>or something along those lines, it is replacing an older analogue system
>>>here in new zealand.
>>>
>>>At 10:43 AM 12/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I don't think so. Of course, I may be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>A mobile phone is constrained by technical limitations, that
>>>>are built-in the cellular network you are using.
>>>>
>>>>Current GSM networks, due to their architecture, cannot allow
>>>>you to have more than 9.6 Kbps of bandwidth -- this has nothing
>>>>to do with the type of transmission (digital or audio) but
>>>>with the speed of the GSM protocol itself. While I am not a
>>>>specialist of other (analog) cellular systems, I believe they
>>>>are even worse in this respect, since they do not have the
>>>>error checking and digital transmission GSM offers.
>>>>
>>>>More than that, but a "56" Kbps transmission depends on having
>>>>digital links (read: fiber optics) between your modem to the
>>>>other one. In short, it's an ugly kludge that takes advantage
>>>>of some possibilities of the telephone digital switiching
>>>>system to increase the available bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>>In some areas of the world, you'll never ever get 56 Kbps, since
>>>>the phone system is almost 100% copper wire and analog switches.
>>>>And even if your telephone system is all fiber optics and digital
>>>>switches, you'll never *exactly* get 56 Kbps: the best I can have
>>>>is about 50.xxx Kbps, and I am in an area which is almost pure
>>>>digital & fiber optics -- to the point that getting a DSL line
>>>>is a matter of days, not weeks.
>>>>
>>>>On GSM, again, you bump into the limitations of the GSM standard
>>>>itself: transmissions are limited to 9.6 Kbps -- period. Getting
>>>>an audio connection to go faster than this seems very dubious.
>>>>
>>>>Disclaimer: of course, everything I say here could be completely
>>>>wrong. In that case, I would be very, very, very interested in 
>>>>getting one of these cards... Email and web access anywhere...
>>>>Oh, yes!   <grin>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:26:42 -0500 (EST)
>>>>Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually I believe there are cards that will let you use a mobile phone
>>>as an
>>>>> audio connection - in principle capable of giving you 56k...
>>>>> 
>>>>> chaals
>>>>> 
>>>>
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Re: cellular net access?

[Gil Andre]

One very simple solution is to check if your laptop and cell
phone both have an IrDA port (infra-red communication). This
way, you can communicate back and forth between the two at
a very reasonable speed, by simply putting the two ports 
close to each other (say 4/5 centimeters).

Most GSM cell phones that I know that have IrDA ports will
automatically put themselves into "external com" mode and
automatically become modems for a laptop if they receive
data through this port.

Hope this helps.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:51:44 -0600
Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:

> Oh, one trouble even if I do use it with a laptop as well, what if I only
> have one serial port, the other is already used for my dectalk express, and
> my laptop's sound sucks, so I'd never use software speech. What would put
> the phone in to internet mode?

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Re: cellular net access?

[Brent Harding]

Wow, don't think cdma ones have this, or maybe? The phone I used to have
was just plain analog anyways, so what do you put in dialup network or
whatever to simulate the send button?
At 11:26 AM 12/20/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
>One very simple solution is to check if your laptop and cell
>phone both have an IrDA port (infra-red communication). This
>way, you can communicate back and forth between the two at
>a very reasonable speed, by simply putting the two ports 
>close to each other (say 4/5 centimeters).
>
>Most GSM cell phones that I know that have IrDA ports will
>automatically put themselves into "external com" mode and
>automatically become modems for a laptop if they receive
>data through this port.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>
>On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:51:44 -0600
>Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net> wrote:
>
>> Oh, one trouble even if I do use it with a laptop as well, what if I only
>> have one serial port, the other is already used for my dectalk express, and
>> my laptop's sound sucks, so I'd never use software speech. What would put
>> the phone in to internet mode?
>
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Re: cellular net access?

[dreamwvr]

hi,
  Hmm.. depending on your needs 9.6 k should be more than ample..
What i would really like to do is hook in a Zaurus for this type
of connectivity. However to be honest i really don't know what 
i would need to do this reasonably since i don't have a Zaurus.
Perhaps i will get one for Christmas. Seriously doubt it however
it is always nice to dream.

Regards,
dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com
> 
> GSM networks only allow 9.6 Kbps uplink and downlink -- which
> is barely usable. Other radio networks (non-GSM) should not be
> much better, and do not offer the communication quality of 

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