Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

[Cheryl Homiak]

I apologize if this has been on this list recently; I just looked
through
several months of archives and didn't see it, but I'm quite sure I saw it
on one of my lists fairly recently.
My problem is that my hard drive is failing and eventually it just isn't
going to start up, so I am hurrying to replace it. The old hard drive is
2.5gig and the new hard drive will be much larger: 20gig. I don't have a
backup medium, though I have been able to tar my home directory and place
the tar package in my zipslack on my dos hard drive. However, we will also
be removing the dos hard drive as it is old and apparently not compatible
to be on the same ide with the newer hard drives, at least with my bios.
The plan is to have a dos partition on the sme hard drive as linux, though
if I could afford it I'd still rather have two separate hard drives.
I have been leaving my machine on because of the risk that I may never be
able to bring up my hard drive again if I turn it off' I've had to try and
try to get it to spin and start several times. The person putting my hard
drive in says there is some possibility he could put the new hard drive in
with the machine on so that I could transfer from one hard drive to
another, but we are concerned there could be dammage to my system or it
might just turn off during the process.  My question is: is there some way
I can transfer my current linux system to the new hard drive, then take
the old hard drive out and put the new one where the old one was. Only I
assume I'd have to partition the hard drive first which would make thos
partitions hdb-- during the transfer.
I really am dragging my feet about re-installing from scratch because (1)
I'll have to use speakup instead of brltty as my rescue and root disk for
debian of course don't have brltty and I haven't worked on doing that yet;
(2) the speakup-enabled versions of debian are about two releases behind
the current potato release and I've been on woody, so I'll have a bunch of
upgrading to do; and (3) the last time I had to install completely my
ethernet couldn't be set up from the rescue and root disk and I had to use
ppp, but I've since removed my internal modem so I'll have to find a
friend to borrow an external modem from if I have to revert to ppp instead
of my nice fast dsl ethernet connection.
If anybody can think of a way I can transfer my current system or can tell
me how I can get my ethernet up and working so I can use that to do the
package installs, I would appreciate it.
I haven't bought a cdrom set since the first potato release, but maybe
this is a good reason to keep them up-to-date; if I had purchased the
latest one, I could use cdrom for the package installing that now has to
be done by ppp or ethernet. Guess I learned something for the future, but
it isn't
helpful right at this moment. I'm not meaning to be a complainer; just
would like to find an easier way out of this if I can.
Thanks.
Cheryl

Re: Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

[Henry Yen]

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 05:03:43AM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> My problem is that my hard drive is failing and eventually it just isn't
> going to start up, so I am hurrying to replace it. The old hard drive is
> 2.5gig and the new hard drive will be much larger: 20gig. I don't have a
> backup medium, though I have been able to tar my home directory and place
> the tar package in my zipslack on my dos hard drive. However, we will also
> be removing the dos hard drive as it is old and apparently not compatible
> to be on the same ide with the newer hard drives, at least with my bios.

if that is an issue, the new drive may also be incompatible with your bios,
in which case you'll only be able to see the first 8 gig.

> The plan is to have a dos partition on the sme hard drive as linux, though
> if I could afford it I'd still rather have two separate hard drives.

if you can afford the space, it's probably better to have both on a single
drive; dos can't use more than 2 gig, and 2 drives are more overall
risk than a single, and also linux has no problem with non-linux
partitions.

> I have been leaving my machine on because of the risk that I may never be
> able to bring up my hard drive again if I turn it off' I've had to try and
> try to get it to spin and start several times. The person putting my hard
> drive in says there is some possibility he could put the new hard drive in
> with the machine on so that I could transfer from one hard drive to
> another, but we are concerned there could be dammage to my system or it
> might just turn off during the process.  My question is: is there some way
> I can transfer my current linux system to the new hard drive, then take
> the old hard drive out and put the new one where the old one was. Only I
> assume I'd have to partition the hard drive first which would make thos
> partitions hdb-- during the transfer.

it's a bad idea to hot-plug ide drives (although i've done it a few
times without problems).  and if there's a stiction problem with the
old drive, it's quite possible that hot-plugging would cause a
power hiccup, which is even worse for a marginal drive.

> I really am dragging my feet about re-installing from scratch because (1)
> I'll have to use speakup instead of brltty as my rescue and root disk for
> debian of course don't have brltty and I haven't worked on doing that yet;
> (2) the speakup-enabled versions of debian are about two releases behind
> the current potato release and I've been on woody, so I'll have a bunch of
> upgrading to do; and (3) the last time I had to install completely my
> ethernet couldn't be set up from the rescue and root disk and I had to use
> ppp, but I've since removed my internal modem so I'll have to find a
> friend to borrow an external modem from if I have to revert to ppp instead
> of my nice fast dsl ethernet connection.

put reinstalling at the end of your list as a last resort only.

> If anybody can think of a way I can transfer my current system or can tell
> me how I can get my ethernet up and working so I can use that to do the
> package installs, I would appreciate it.

when faced with a failing drive, my approach would be to get someone
to lend a hand with another working system with a bunch of free
space on it, and back the system up over ethernet.  then, swap out the
old disk, do a minimal install onto the new disk (leaving room for
partitions from the old disk), and then ethernet the old disk contents back.
the trick in all this is to watch your partition structure carefully,
but this is how i upgrade hard drives (note: i am sighted).

of course, if you can't another system, or you're unable to do a minimal
install of the temporary "transfer" system, then i don't see a technical
solution.  if you can do these things, then figuring out your ethernet
issues should be the best immediate plan.  to start, what appears
when you type: ifconfig eth0

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Henry Yen                                       Aegis Information Systems, Inc.
Senior Systems Programmer                       Hicksville, New York

Re: Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

[Rafael Skodlar]

On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 11:32:41AM -0500, Henry Yen wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 05:03:43AM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
.......
> if that is an issue, the new drive may also be incompatible with your bios,
> in which case you'll only be able to see the first 8 gig.

Can't tell not knowing what motherboard is in there.

> 
> > The plan is to have a dos partition on the sme hard drive as linux, though
> > if I could afford it I'd still rather have two separate hard drives.
> 
> if you can afford the space, it's probably better to have both on a single
> drive; dos can't use more than 2 gig, and 2 drives are more overall
> risk than a single, and also linux has no problem with non-linux
> partitions.

It's always better to have more than one drive, that's the whole idea of 
RAID systems. That means two drives is better than one. You can mirror the 
data which is a quick backup while tape or other removable media servers 
as archive.

.....
> it's a bad idea to hot-plug ide drives (although i've done it a few
> times without problems).  and if there's a stiction problem with the
> old drive, it's quite possible that hot-plugging would cause a
> power hiccup, which is even worse for a marginal drive.

You can do that with SCSI but ATA drives are not build for that kind of
operation. In any case, you need to plug the power in correctly, i.e.  
ground first which is not that easy to do, otherwise you'll damage the
drivers with reverse current or current loops through the motherboard
circuit.

...........
> > If anybody can think of a way I can transfer my current system or can tell
> > me how I can get my ethernet up and working so I can use that to do the
> > package installs, I would appreciate it.
> 
> when faced with a failing drive, my approach would be to get someone
> to lend a hand with another working system with a bunch of free
> space on it, and back the system up over ethernet.  then, swap out the
> old disk, do a minimal install onto the new disk (leaving room for
> partitions from the old disk), and then ethernet the old disk contents back.
> the trick in all this is to watch your partition structure carefully,
> but this is how i upgrade hard drives (note: i am sighted).
> 
> of course, if you can't another system, or you're unable to do a minimal
> install of the temporary "transfer" system, then i don't see a technical
> solution.  if you can do these things, then figuring out your ethernet
> issues should be the best immediate plan.  to start, what appears
> when you type: ifconfig eth0
> 
> -- 
> Henry Yen                                       Aegis Information Systems, Inc.
> Senior Systems Programmer                       Hicksville, New York

-- 
Rafael

Re: Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

[Rafael Skodlar]

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 05:03:43PM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I apologize if this has been on this list recently; I just looked
> through
> several months of archives and didn't see it, but I'm quite sure I saw it
> on one of my lists fairly recently.
> My problem is that my hard drive is failing and eventually it just isn't
> going to start up, so I am hurrying to replace it. The old hard drive is
> 2.5gig and the new hard drive will be much larger: 20gig. I don't have a
> backup medium, though I have been able to tar my home directory and place
> the tar package in my zipslack on my dos hard drive. However, we will also
> be removing the dos hard drive as it is old and apparently not compatible
> to be on the same ide with the newer hard drives, at least with my bios.
> The plan is to have a dos partition on the sme hard drive as linux, though
> if I could afford it I'd still rather have two separate hard drives.

That's very good idea since drives are very cheap these days.

> I have been leaving my machine on because of the risk that I may never be
> able to bring up my hard drive again if I turn it off' I've had to try and
> try to get it to spin and start several times. The person putting my hard
> drive in says there is some possibility he could put the new hard drive in

I strongly suggest you do not do that. You will do more damage to the 
system thatway than save from it. My suggestionis to use ZIP drive  to tar 
all your stuff. You can use tar with multivolume option so that it takes 
one cartridge after another until it's done.

tar cvMf /dev/zip /home/yourdir

I don't know what the device name for the zip is since I don't use those 
disks. Don't like them at all. I preffer LS-120 floppy drives which can 
read old floppy disks. Much better.

> with the machine on so that I could transfer from one hard drive to
> another, but we are concerned there could be dammage to my system or it
> might just turn off during the process.  My question is: is there some way
> I can transfer my current linux system to the new hard drive, then take

The way I transfer files from one directory to another is usualy
(cd /; tar cfp - etc root)|(cd /mnt/hdb1;tar xvfp -)

that will transfer files from /etc and /root to a second drive mounted
under /mnt/hdb1.

You can use rsync command also.

> the old hard drive out and put the new one where the old one was. Only I
> assume I'd have to partition the hard drive first which would make thos
> partitions hdb-- during the transfer.

I reinstalled my home system about 6 times on ine month for some strange
reasons. I wiped out the OS completely. Tried Redhat 7.1 then Mandrake 8.0
beta, then RedHat7.2, and Mandrake 8.1. Since I keep my home directory on
separate partition I never lost or had a need to restore my home files. I
also saved /etc and /root into tar file (/home/etc.tar) for quick
configuration restore after the installation. Prior to new OS installation 
I made backups on CD and tape drive. I do that anyway for offsite storage 
at my friends house. Since my home is about 4 GB big I carefuly organised 
directories so that the backup doesn't take more than about 600M at tis 
time. That means I do not backup everything. I don't need to save open 
source, rpms, and other stuff I know I can download from he net at any 
time. A script mybackup selects only important directories for backup so 
that I could recover in a matter of hour if need be.

What I would do is backup as much as you can to zip or whatever else you 
have, install the new OS on new drive which I would put in it's final 
configuration place, and copy files from the second drive (old drive) to 
the new one. The only reason for not doing it this way is if you need to 
use sound in order to manage the system.

That way you can go back to the old configuration in case things do not 
turn out the way you expect them.

> I really am dragging my feet about re-installing from scratch because (1)
> I'll have to use speakup instead of brltty as my rescue and root disk for
> debian of course don't have brltty and I haven't worked on doing that yet;
> (2) the speakup-enabled versions of debian are about two releases behind
> the current potato release and I've been on woody, so I'll have a bunch of
> upgrading to do; and (3) the last time I had to install completely my
> ethernet couldn't be set up from the rescue and root disk and I had to use
> ppp, but I've since removed my internal modem so I'll have to find a
> friend to borrow an external modem from if I have to revert to ppp instead
> of my nice fast dsl ethernet connection.

Which ethernet did you have problems with? Most are supported these days. 
You can get a replacement for $15 that works great with linux.

> If anybody can think of a way I can transfer my current system or can tell
> me how I can get my ethernet up and working so I can use that to do the
> package installs, I would appreciate it.

Another option would be to have a second system just for data transfer 
over the net from current one. I have more than one PC at home which would 
make it easy to do so. If you are in Silicon Valley we could probably make 
something out.

A third option, since you mentioned DSL, is to encrypt and tar files into
5 or 10 files, perhaps about 600MB each so you could burn a CD, copy them
over DSL to somebody elses system on the net, get your system ready and
then get the files back. Since the files would be encrypted you would not
need to worry about the data security. One way to do that is to use loop 
device where you create a virtual partition, encrypt it, and treat it as a 
regular file that can be moved around but only accessed by those who know 
the password or pass phrase.

I would be willing to help in such an experiment.

> I haven't bought a cdrom set since the first potato release, but maybe
> this is a good reason to keep them up-to-date; if I had purchased the
> latest one, I could use cdrom for the package installing that now has to
> be done by ppp or ethernet. Guess I learned something for the future, but
> it isn't
> helpful right at this moment. I'm not meaning to be a complainer; just
> would like to find an easier way out of this if I can.
> Thanks.
> Cheryl

-- 
Rafael

Re: Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

[Andor Demarteau]

hi,
The best way to do this is the following:
create an ext2-filesystem on the enw drive using mke2fs
mount it under say /mnt
then do
find / -mount  | cpio -rp /mnt/

This is going by memroy.
You do best readingthe  find(1) and cpio(1) manpages before proceding.
I used this combination some time ago to move my root-partition around
between 2 places about 5 times in one day ;)

Note that I'm asuming that your old hard-drive contains only a single
partition.
If this is not the case, you probably want to do this for every single
partition you need to copy.
success

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Re: Transfering linux system to a new hard drive

[James R. Van Zandt]

I've read several good suggestions.  I would rank them this way:

1) Temporarily install your new drive in some other machine, connect
   it to your network, partition and format it, and copy your
   partitions over the network.  The second machine would not have to
   be running Linux - you could use a speakup rescue disk, provided it
   could access the network.  (It would not matter if it was an older
   version.)  This way, you could move all the data without having to
   power your existing box down.

2) Temporarily connect another machine to your network and copy the
   partitions into free space there.  Replace the drive, do a minimal
   install, and copy back.  You would not have to open up the second
   machine (and it could be a notebook).  However, you would have to
   do the minimal install and copy the data twice.

3) Power down, install the new drive as hdb in addition to the old
   one, reboot to Linux, partition and format the new drive, copy,
   then power down and remove the old drive.  For the middle step, you
   could remove the old drive while leaving it connected
   electrically.  In fact, that would let you give it a twist at
   power-up to help it spin up.

Best of luck!

	- Jim Van Zandt

Vividata OCR Shop

[Ron Marriage]

I'm curious if anyone has purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
program, and if so what are your results.  
I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
entirely.

Thanks
Ron
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Roger Butenuth]

Hi!

I tried Vividata some time ago, you can get a trial license (I think it
was 30 days). I would recommend you get the trial license, check if it
works for you. When it works, you don't have to reinstall, just changing
the license file.

	Roger


On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Ron Marriage wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone has purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> program, and if so what are your results.  
> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> entirely.
> 
> Thanks
> Ron
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> Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
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> 
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[John J. Boyer]

Hello,
How much does this software cost if I decide I want it after the trial
period? Is it accessible? What is the Web site to doenload it?
Thanks.
John


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Vividata OCR Shop

[Ron Marriage]

Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
program, and if so what are your results?  
I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
entirely.

Thanks
Ron
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Homepage http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
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Vividata OCR Shop

[Ron Marriage]

I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
response to it.
Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
solutions?
Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
program, and if so what are your results?  
I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
entirely.

Thanks
Ron
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Henry Yen]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:58:31AM -0500, Ron Marriage wrote:
> I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> response to it.
> Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> solutions?
> Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> program, and if so what are your results?  
> I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> entirely.

I'm sure people have used this, though perhaps no one on this list.
May I suggest a google search (http://groups.google.com) to look for
experiences of people using this software (the general population,
as opposed to just the people on this list).
-- 
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Senior Systems Programmer                       Hicksville, New York

Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[John J. Boyer]

Ron,
What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.
Thanks.
John

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Ron Marriage wrote:

> I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> response to it.
> Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> solutions?
> Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> program, and if so what are your results?
> I'm particularly interested in the text interface.
> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> entirely.
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>

-- 
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http://www.chpi.org
825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703

Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Henry Yen]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 12:56:44PM -0600, John J. Boyer wrote:
> What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
> looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.

Hmm.  You seem to have already asked this question earlier this month.
If you didn't get the reply, here it is:

   Message-ID: <20011202015132.I15968@nntp.AegisInfoSys.com>
   Subject: Re: OCR In Linux
   References: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>
   In-Reply-To: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>; from John J. Boyer on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500
   Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:51:32 -0500
   
   On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
   > I believe that sometime ago there was a discussion of OCR packages that
   > would work with Linux. Now that I'm getting into Linux in a big way, I would
   > like to have that information, including how much these packaages cost.
   
   a quick google search turns up at least four:
      clara OCR:  www.claraocr.org
      GOCR: http://altmark.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/~jschulen/ocr/
      a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.vividata.com
      a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.mentalix.com
   
   > When I boot my Redhat Linux, it says it is initializing the USB controller.
   > I have a USB scanner. Can't remember the name now, but is there a chance
   > that I could find drivers for it?
   
   try SANE (Scanning Access Now Easy): http://www.mostang.com/sane
     (note: site is down at this time due to @home belly-up)
     (note: SANE is shipped with most modern linux distributions)
   
   another quick google search turns up one possible USB scanner resource page:
      http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html
   
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[John J. Boyer]

Henry,
Thanks for the reminder. The original message may be in a Windows file,
and I've switched to Linux except for PCR. I looked at the
www.claraocr.org Web site and downlooaded the source code. The program is
supposed to be used with x-window, but it shouild be possible to isolate
the OCR routines and develop a text-mode interface.
John
 On Fri, 28 Dec 2001,
Henry Yen wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 12:56:44PM -0600, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
> > looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.
>
> Hmm.  You seem to have already asked this question earlier this month.
> If you didn't get the reply, here it is:
>
>    Message-ID: <20011202015132.I15968@nntp.AegisInfoSys.com>
>    Subject: Re: OCR In Linux
>    References: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>
>    In-Reply-To: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>; from John J. Boyer on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500
>    Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:51:32 -0500
>
>    On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
>    > I believe that sometime ago there was a discussion of OCR packages that
>    > would work with Linux. Now that I'm getting into Linux in a big way, I would
>    > like to have that information, including how much these packaages cost.
>
>    a quick google search turns up at least four:
>       clara OCR:  www.claraocr.org
>       GOCR: http://altmark.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/~jschulen/ocr/
>       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.vividata.com
>       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.mentalix.com
>
>    > When I boot my Redhat Linux, it says it is initializing the USB controller.
>    > I have a USB scanner. Can't remember the name now, but is there a chance
>    > that I could find drivers for it?
>
>    try SANE (Scanning Access Now Easy): http://www.mostang.com/sane
>      (note: site is down at this time due to @home belly-up)
>      (note: SANE is shipped with most modern linux distributions)
>
>    another quick google search turns up one possible USB scanner resource page:
>       http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html
>
>

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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[lobap]

Hi:
Have you tried:
www.vividata.com
According to their info, there should be already a command-line driven 
version of their product for Linux os.

Thanks, Paweł.
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:

> Henry,
> Thanks for the reminder. The original message may be in a Windows file,
> and I've switched to Linux except for PCR. I looked at the
> www.claraocr.org Web site and downlooaded the source code. The program is
> supposed to be used with x-window, but it shouild be possible to isolate
> the OCR routines and develop a text-mode interface.
> John
>  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001,
> Henry Yen wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 12:56:44PM -0600, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > > What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
> > > looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.
> >
> > Hmm.  You seem to have already asked this question earlier this month.
> > If you didn't get the reply, here it is:
> >
> >    Message-ID: <20011202015132.I15968@nntp.AegisInfoSys.com>
> >    Subject: Re: OCR In Linux
> >    References: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>
> >    In-Reply-To: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>; from John J. Boyer on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500
> >    Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:51:32 -0500
> >
> >    On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >    > I believe that sometime ago there was a discussion of OCR packages that
> >    > would work with Linux. Now that I'm getting into Linux in a big way, I would
> >    > like to have that information, including how much these packaages cost.
> >
> >    a quick google search turns up at least four:
> >       clara OCR:  www.claraocr.org
> >       GOCR: http://altmark.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/~jschulen/ocr/
> >       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.vividata.com
> >       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.mentalix.com
> >
> >    > When I boot my Redhat Linux, it says it is initializing the USB controller.
> >    > I have a USB scanner. Can't remember the name now, but is there a chance
> >    > that I could find drivers for it?
> >
> >    try SANE (Scanning Access Now Easy): http://www.mostang.com/sane
> >      (note: site is down at this time due to @home belly-up)
> >      (note: SANE is shipped with most modern linux distributions)
> >
> >    another quick google search turns up one possible USB scanner resource page:
> >       http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html
> >
> >
> 
> 

Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Janina Sajka]

There is already a text interface. Search the archives for more info.


On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:

> Henry,
> Thanks for the reminder. The original message may be in a Windows file,
> and I've switched to Linux except for PCR. I looked at the
> www.claraocr.org Web site and downlooaded the source code. The program is
> supposed to be used with x-window, but it shouild be possible to isolate
> the OCR routines and develop a text-mode interface.
> John
>  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001,
> Henry Yen wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 12:56:44PM -0600, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > > What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
> > > looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.
> >
> > Hmm.  You seem to have already asked this question earlier this month.
> > If you didn't get the reply, here it is:
> >
> >    Message-ID: <20011202015132.I15968@nntp.AegisInfoSys.com>
> >    Subject: Re: OCR In Linux
> >    References: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>
> >    In-Reply-To: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>; from John J. Boyer on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500
> >    Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:51:32 -0500
> >
> >    On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >    > I believe that sometime ago there was a discussion of OCR packages that
> >    > would work with Linux. Now that I'm getting into Linux in a big way, I would
> >    > like to have that information, including how much these packaages cost.
> >
> >    a quick google search turns up at least four:
> >       clara OCR:  www.claraocr.org
> >       GOCR: http://altmark.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/~jschulen/ocr/
> >       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.vividata.com
> >       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.mentalix.com
> >
> >    > When I boot my Redhat Linux, it says it is initializing the USB controller.
> >    > I have a USB scanner. Can't remember the name now, but is there a chance
> >    > that I could find drivers for it?
> >
> >    try SANE (Scanning Access Now Easy): http://www.mostang.com/sane
> >      (note: site is down at this time due to @home belly-up)
> >      (note: SANE is shipped with most modern linux distributions)
> >
> >    another quick google search turns up one possible USB scanner resource page:
> >       http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[John G. Heim (26 2-9887)]

Their FAQ says there is a command line interface. 
http://www.claraocr.org/faq.html#7.

Of course, that's not exactly the same as a text interface. Maybe you're 
thinking of doing something in curses? If you do, let us know.

At 02:05 PM 12/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Henry,
>Thanks for the reminder. The original message may be in a Windows file,
>and I've switched to Linux except for PCR. I looked at the
>www.claraocr.org Web site and downlooaded the source code. The program is
>supposed to be used with x-window, but it shouild be possible to isolate
>the OCR routines and develop a text-mode interface.
>John
>  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001,
>Henry Yen wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 12:56:44PM -0600, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > > What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
> > > looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.
> >
> > Hmm.  You seem to have already asked this question earlier this month.
> > If you didn't get the reply, here it is:
> >
> >    Message-ID: <20011202015132.I15968@nntp.AegisInfoSys.com>
> >    Subject: Re: OCR In Linux
> >    References: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>
> >    In-Reply-To: <019401c17ad7$6bf41480$e08caad8@tds.net>; from John J. 
> Boyer on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500
> >    Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:51:32 -0500
> >
> >    On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:16:58AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >    > I believe that sometime ago there was a discussion of OCR packages 
> that
> >    > would work with Linux. Now that I'm getting into Linux in a big 
> way, I would
> >    > like to have that information, including how much these packaages 
> cost.
> >
> >    a quick google search turns up at least four:
> >       clara OCR:  www.claraocr.org
> >       GOCR: http://altmark.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/~jschulen/ocr/
> >       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.vividata.com
> >       a commercial OCR with a linux version: www.mentalix.com
> >
> >    > When I boot my Redhat Linux, it says it is initializing the USB 
> controller.
> >    > I have a USB scanner. Can't remember the name now, but is there a 
> chance
> >    > that I could find drivers for it?
> >
> >    try SANE (Scanning Access Now Easy): http://www.mostang.com/sane
> >      (note: site is down at this time due to @home belly-up)
> >      (note: SANE is shipped with most modern linux distributions)
> >
> >    another quick google search turns up one possible USB scanner 
> resource page:
> >       http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html
> >
> >
>
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Janina Sajka]

John:

Just a note that the Vivadata people offer a special price to blind users. 
Not sure where this is documented--other than our list archive.


On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:

> Ron,
> What is the Web site for this software, and how much does it cost? I'm
> looking for scanning and OCR software that can be used with Linux also.
> Thanks.
> John
> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Ron Marriage wrote:
> 
> > I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> > response to it.
> > Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> > solutions?
> > Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> > program, and if so what are your results?
> > I'm particularly interested in the text interface.
> > I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> > reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> > works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> > entirely.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> >
> 
> 

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Roger Butenuth]

Hello!

I tested the OCR software from vividata (www.vividata.com), you can get an
evalutation version for free, so just test it! The evaluation version
comes with the optional text interface. 

	Roger

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Ron Marriage wrote:

> I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> response to it.
> Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> solutions?
> Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> program, and if so what are your results?  
> I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> entirely.
> 
> Thanks
> Ron

Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Janina Sajka]

Ron:

I'm not sure who among us is using this software, if any. I do recall some 
discussions in the past about it. Perhaps searching the speakup list 
archive might help.

Meanwhile, you should be aware that Kirk is in the early phase of 
developing an ocr package called socrates which will use sane as its back 
end. Also, the T.V. Raman announced ocr support in Emacspeak 15 also using 
sane, though there doesn't seem to be any documentation other than the 
source code itself for how to do ocr in Emacspeak.

 On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, 
Ron Marriage wrote:

> I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> response to it.
> Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> solutions?
> Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> program, and if so what are your results?  
> I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> entirely.
> 
> Thanks
> Ron
> 

-- 
	
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
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http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Ron Marriage]

Janina,

Thanks, I'll have to check that out as I'm using Emacspeak
now.
I wasn't aware that OCR was a new builtin.

I checked out the ClaraOCR and it doesn't sound like what I
was wanting.
I'll see if I can learn something about the OCR in
emacspeak.

I'll download the vividata OCR shop and give it a try also. 
Was hesitant to do so, because someone told me that if you
download the demo, then purchase it you didn't get the full
set of features but kept some of the demo restrictions.  I
don't know this for fact only what another person told me.

Ron


Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> Ron:
> 
> I'm not sure who among us is using this software, if any. I do recall some
> discussions in the past about it. Perhaps searching the speakup list
> archive might help.
> 
> Meanwhile, you should be aware that Kirk is in the early phase of
> developing an ocr package called socrates which will use sane as its back
> end. Also, the T.V. Raman announced ocr support in Emacspeak 15 also using
> sane, though there doesn't seem to be any documentation other than the
> source code itself for how to do ocr in Emacspeak.
> 
>  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001,
> Ron Marriage wrote:
> 
> > I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> > response to it.
> > Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> > solutions?
> > Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> > program, and if so what are your results?
> > I'm particularly interested in the text interface.
> > I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> > reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> > works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> > entirely.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> >
> 
> --
> 
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Technology Research and Development
>                                 Governmental Relations Group
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
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> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
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> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Brent Harding]

Well, socrates is on cvs now, with rh, you have to install a ton of junk to
satisfy libsane's dependencies, like gtk and the like. I didn't do any
forcing or nodeps, but I probably filled a bunch of space with junk I don't
need.
At 10:03 AM 12/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Ron:
>
>I'm not sure who among us is using this software, if any. I do recall some 
>discussions in the past about it. Perhaps searching the speakup list 
>archive might help.
>
>Meanwhile, you should be aware that Kirk is in the early phase of 
>developing an ocr package called socrates which will use sane as its back 
>end. Also, the T.V. Raman announced ocr support in Emacspeak 15 also using 
>sane, though there doesn't seem to be any documentation other than the 
>source code itself for how to do ocr in Emacspeak.
>
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, 
>Ron Marriage wrote:
>
>> I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
>> response to it.
>> Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
>> solutions?
>> Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
>> program, and if so what are your results?  
>> I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
>> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
>> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
>> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
>> entirely.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Ron
>> 
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
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Re: Vividata OCR Shop

[Janina Sajka]

Yes. I didn't say it was a done deal. I hope you didn't understand me that 
way.


On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> Well, socrates is on cvs now, with rh, you have to install a ton of junk to
> satisfy libsane's dependencies, like gtk and the like. I didn't do any
> forcing or nodeps, but I probably filled a bunch of space with junk I don't
> need.
> At 10:03 AM 12/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ron:
> >
> >I'm not sure who among us is using this software, if any. I do recall some 
> >discussions in the past about it. Perhaps searching the speakup list 
> >archive might help.
> >
> >Meanwhile, you should be aware that Kirk is in the early phase of 
> >developing an ocr package called socrates which will use sane as its back 
> >end. Also, the T.V. Raman announced ocr support in Emacspeak 15 also using 
> >sane, though there doesn't seem to be any documentation other than the 
> >source code itself for how to do ocr in Emacspeak.
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, 
> >Ron Marriage wrote:
> >
> >> I've posted this message a couple time and haven't gotten a
> >> response to it.
> >> Does this mean no one used this software or they have other
> >> solutions?
> >> Has anyone purchased the Vividata OCR Shop
> >> program, and if so what are your results?  
> >> I'm particularly interested in the text interface.  
> >> I'd like to get OCR working in my linux as this is the only
> >> reason I still use windows / Openbook.  If this program
> >> works ok then I can remove windows from my computer
> >> entirely.
> >> 
> >> Thanks
> >> Ron
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >	
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
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> >
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> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
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> >
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				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
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