From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111151700140.1655-100000@toccata.grg.afb.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <000a01c16c9c$0722be60$0100000a@mindspring.com>
Tommy:
I need to respond to this last note from you. I appreciate what you say in
this note. While I do not agree with all of what you say, I do agree that
that the Papenmeier is probably far and away the best choice among
available products of its kind today. As you said in another note on this
list the other day, it comes close to a laptop computer. In fact, were I
to get one (and I might), I would try to use it just that way.
My comments, while strongly stated, are certainly not directed against you
personally. I sincerely hope you don't take them that way. The failure of
the assistive technology industry to bring the price of such units down
is, in my view, no longer acceptable. And, to my understanding, it is the
product that takes advantage of free software which bears a greater
responsibility to its customers in this regard. But, the responsibility
can also be shared out among various not for profit agencies and
governmental entities. Fortunately, price is also negotiable and subject
to change. Market pressure is just one way it can change.
In short, the part I don't agree with is is where you say that you and I
have no control over price. I intend to push down on the price by several
means, which include those I have employed here in the past few
days--where I've challenged you, as the representative of the
manufacturer, to justify it. You, as the manufacturer's representative on
this list, might take what is said here back to headquarters. I would
regard that as your duty to us, actually.
On Tue, 13
Nov 2001, Tommy Craig wrote:
> One last post. I am not part of the development team so I'm not really
> qualified to answer exactly what went into the development. You see although
> I am fairly technical and I have been working in this field for a number of
> years I couldn't build one. I think the best way for you to get your
> questions answered is to actually spend the time and look at a unit.
>
> I didn't get into this discussion to start a feud. I don't control the
> pricing and neither do you. I tried to answer a question concerning the
> shipping time for the unit. I am also happy to answer any productive
> questions that people might have. I am not willing to spend my time arguing
> about something that accomplishes absolutely nothing. All I would ask is
> that if you are interested in a Notetaker with a Braille display that you
> give the ELBA a look. Compare it to the other devices that are available,
> including comparing prices and pick the one that is right for you. That's
> the real world. I feel very strongly that if you do this you'll see that the
> ELBA is a good product at a competitive price.
> Tommy
>
>
>
>
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