From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.44.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF39A3EF19 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fADLKcp17878 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:38 -0500 Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id fADLKcO25260 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:38 -0500 Received: from toccata.grg.afb.net (dsl092-170-083.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.170.83]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fADLKcw25256 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (janina@localhost) by toccata.grg.afb.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fADLKVR06670 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: toccata.grg.afb.net: janina owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) From: Janina Sajka X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out In-Reply-To: <20011113144119.A579@lpwh1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes, that link was broken last week as well. On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 philwh@gate.net wrote: > Hi. > >From the ifno on the uxdots site, it sounds as if it may be > more advanced than speakup as far as cursor and highlight > or screen attributes are concerned. > > but this is just from the ifno fromt he site. > I tried to download the demo of uxdots, but the link doesn't work. > > phil > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:28:42PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > True, but that's all the more reason for a speech only version. Why force > > people to take the form factor plus the braille, when they can't afford > > the price? I know braille is the only medium most European blind folk care > > about, but I'm asking from the U.S. perspective. > > > > Now, my second point -- What about the included speech? Is it truely > > UXDOTS? If so, why? Speakup is free, and UXDOTS isn't. So, what's the > > advantage to the user? > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Tommy Craig wrote: > > > > > Well I suppose the same way that every Braille display manufacturer does. > > > Braille cost a lot to make. Your response makes it sound as if the ELBA is > > > tremendously more expensive than the BrailleNote or the BrailleLite. It > > > isn't. I think the price is very competitive, especially since it offers a > > > lot more than either one of the other devices. > > > Tommy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp