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* Re: The growing accessibility gap:  was Ameritech.net
@  blindguy13
   ` Joseph Carter
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: blindguy13 @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: blinux-list

Quiet your bitching. The probleum is linux. I use it a little and use
windows a lot things with it are a lot more accessible. If you love
editing your configeration files so mutch then stay with linux and create
your own access bridge sun didn't have to put that out for windows. Html
is accessible with internet explorer through jaws, window eyes or what
ever else you want to use. As for microsoft I know a tech guy who will
bend over backwords to help out with accessibility and in there new
visual net relies msaa will be built in to a lot larger extent. Don't
bitch at other compinies when if you carred so mutch you could write the
damn program to read java your self try working with the accessibility
people at sun althoe with an attitude like yours trying to blame
everything on big compinies they won't want to work with you it is the
small programs I have found are the bigger probleums not the larger ones
thats why I am using windows to write this message because it is
accessible.
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* Re: The growing accessibility gap:  was Ameritech.net
@  Adam Bertram
   ` Joseph Carter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Adam Bertram @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: blinux-list

hehe, I knew from the first "bitching" msg, this one would turn into a 
mess.  I think I now have 15 straight messages that have "Re: The growing 
accessibility gap:  was Ameritech.net."  :)

A

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:50:49 -0400
>From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@coastalnet.com>  
>Subject: Re: The growing accessibility gap:  was Ameritech.net  
>To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>
>look at the gnome development project.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jared" <stofflej@yahoo.com>
>To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:04 PM
>Subject: Re: The growing accessibility gap: was Ameritech.net
>
>
>> If the command line is so grate write me or help write me a mass market
>> application that cells to millions of coppies. You can't because you 
can't
>> use the g u i interface in linux like you can in windows. So you will 
have
>> to write in general smaller market programs if you wish to do that for a
>> job. I on the other hand because I'm not thick headed can write G U I
>> applications with vb or any number of other tools. As for your comment 
to
>> Mr. Toneby what about the people who tryed to make linux a more user
>> friendly opperaiting system generated a G U I so they generated code 
that
>> turned to inaccessible garbige for you so they are just as mutch at 
fault
>as
>> sun. A large part of microsoft is that the windows 3.1 was not around 
for
>a
>> long enough time for standerds to devolipe. They may have been 
responcible
>> for the inaccessibility in the past but now they are making an effort to
>> change that tell me is there anyone trying in the linux community cort 
or
>no
>> cort trying to make a screen reader for the G U I part of linux? If so
>> please send me email so I can try and help but don't complain about
>> microsoft when people arn't working to help your beloved oh so 
accessible
>> linux.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
>> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: The growing accessibility gap: was Ameritech.net
>>
>>
>> > The command line interface does not cause me any problems, it's that
>other
>> > junk that makes life hell.  So far as bitching is concerned, you 
haven't
>> > yet heard me bitch.  All I did was to state some widely known and
>accepted
>> > axioms which are axiomatic since they're so easily proven.  Were you
>> > correct in your statements, the Council Of Agencies Serving the blind
>> > would not have contemplated taking Microsoft to court in January of
>1995.
>> > As it was, certain agreements were reached that seemingly alleviated 
the
>> > necessity for litigation.
>> >
>> > Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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* Re: Ameritech.net
@  S. Massy
   ` The growing accessibility gap: was Ameritech.net Cheryl Homiak
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: S. Massy @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: blinux-list

On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net> wrote:

> I was a Verizon DSL customer when the company was still called Bell 
> Atlantic and when consumer DSL service was still very new beginning in 

Oh yes, oh yes... I'm not a verizon user myself but a person close to
me is, and it is a total nightmare. Their dial-up service is barely
decent and their DSL service is anything but decent. I hate to smash a
company like that, even though it's a tremendously big one, but just
don't deal with them if you can help it, well, at least not in
anything that concerns computers.

By the way, this is a rather common problem since cheap internet access
has come around. Companies can make a lot of profit with relatively
small investments; of course their customer pool grows very quickly,
often more quickly than they expand, and they, the companies, often
prefer to have greater profits than to invest back in their systems as
they should. The result is a service whose resources are always
strained to the very limit and then things can easily go amiss.  So
when you consider a service, such as DSL, consider rather the company
with which you will deal than the technology itself. Computers
still require people to make them work, and if they are managed by
incompetent people or people whose sole interest is profit they will
grow faulty.

Also, the open non-support of linux seems to be a very common practice
among ISPs. In my ISP's case it's even worse, I know for a fact that
they use linux, at least on their web server, but they won't support
it: funny way to pay back the community, don't you think?

Just my two pennies.

> February 1999. In those days, DSL customers were assigned static IPs. My 
> personal experience was that the service was great when it worked, which 
> wasn't quite enough of the time. I had long periods of down time--about 
> two weeks every three months or so. Calling tech support was a nightmare. 
> First, I would sit on hold listening to the same clip of Vivaldi for tens 
> of minutes. A half-hour wait was common, and the Vivaldi never 
> changed--always the same snipit from the first movement of Spring. Once I 
> got first level tier support my problems only got worse. Clearly, it was 
> my fault because I wasn't in Windows. Clearly, when I rebooted into 
> Windows, it was the screen reader. Once I pushed up to second, and even 
> third tier support, it was, of course, never my fault. At least twice they 
> moved me to ppoe without even telling me they were doing it. Mostly, they 
> just couldn't explain it--system upgrades at the CO, please call back if 
> the problem persists.
> 
> I will not be a Telco DSL customer again, mostly because of their terrible 
> track record with me, but also because they've moved away from DSL 
> technology I care to buy. They have indeed found ways to provision DSL in 
> ways I don't fully understand--and don't care to. It's more than dynamic 
> IPs. I was surprised recently when a friend was installing Verizon DSL on 
> his Windows computer--surprised to learn that the install added an icon to 
> his Dial Up Networking program group.
> 
> In essence, I suspect the telco's judge ip space and general network 
> resources insuficient to support the millions of customers they want to 
> sell. They want the customers money, but expect they will not use 
> persistent connections any more than they use dial up connections. My 
> friends DUN based DSL would disconnect on inactivity. Voice phone service 
> network capacity is based, as I understand it, on the expectation that the 
> average phone call will last four minutes. I'm sure they also have a 
> number of calls per month in mind as an average. Of course, they have to 
> make those kinds of predictions in order to build out adequate 
> infrastructure. But, I have no desire to be part of a broadband service 
> that expects casual and occasional web surfing. So, no more telco DSL for 
> me.
> 
> My advice is to seek a quality provider. My answer, for myself, was 
> speakeasy.net for two crowning reasons:
> 
> 1.)	They actively support linux. In fact, I believe their servers run 
> Redhat;
> 2.)	They actively have no problem with home networks;
> 
> Most providers have problems over linux even if their technology doesn't,
> and have fine print that prohibits multiple machines accessing the
> service. So, I choose to go with the provider that supports the OS and
> features I want and support.
> 
> 
>  On Thu, 6 Sep 
> 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
> 
> > For what it's worth, and it isn't worth much,
> > I used Ameritech dial-up service for almost a year,
> > and was very happy with it.
> > I left only because I wanted a cable modem.
> > 
> > Of course I was happy because everything worked for me straight away,
> > and I didn't have to ask their technical department for help.
> > 
> > I'm a bit confused by this whole thread.
> > I thought dsl was a static always on connection.
> > Why ppp?
> > Why pppd?
> > Why ppp0?
> > Don't they give you a box that looks like a cable modem,
> > with a nic interface,
> > and don't you just plug into that, like an ethernet?
> > Don't you just set up for an ethernet connection and go?
> > I guess I don't know much about dsl,
> > so I'll stop talking now,
> > before I do more harm than good.
> > 
> > Karl
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 				Technology Research and Development
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> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
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