Emacspeak and w3

Emacspeak and w3

[Kerry Hoath]

I have just started using emacspeak and emacs 19.34 and it is definitely
proving to be an experience. After rtfming thoroughly, and taking the tutorial
I feel that I have the basics of movement and the like figured out. I didn't
need an editor and ed comes up faster <grin>. I have started to work with w3 4.0
and vm as these are the tools I will be mostly using. I have anumber of questions
that should probably go to the emacspeak mailing list but I lost the address
and the bookmarks relevant to it you send mail to somewhere at vasa.edu or 
somesuch.


I have installed the Debian pre-packaged emacs, bo version 19.34 and emacspeak
was installed by hand. I have not gone hamm yet because if the laptop pcmcia
card services go west I'm in a bit of a pickle. I start w3 by simply doing:
M-X w3
and it brings up the w3 documentation by default. I don't know how to get it
to open an arbitery URL. The emacspeak shell script also loads emacs with
options I do not understand, my question is if I add customizations to .emacs
will they still take effect when I run emacspeak?

How do you tell you are on a hyperlink? hitting tab appears to read the url
out which isn't what I want, I need to here the link name, at the moment I
am cursoring through the line until I find the * chars and hitting return there.

When I load emacspeak, I get the message,
"No autorevert in search path"
This stops the voice test and causes the default screen to be "scratch lisp
interaction". Not exactly what I want I'd preferr the default emacs helpscreen.
I have searched the source of emacspeak, (Does that count as reading docs?!)
and have discovered that it is emacspeak emmitting that error message. Other
than commenting out the line (An awful hack I admit,) What is
autorevert, should I get it and install it, or how do I make the message go
away?

Yes, I agree installing the packages would have probably been simpler, but I
learn much more this way, and learning is good.

If some kind soul can give me any hints or the address to write to for the 
emacspeak list, that'd be useful. I have tons more questions, but think I've
got a feature-packed message as it is so I'll refrain.
For reference, I'm using Jim's doubletalk driver with a doubletalk LT
(Nice bit of work that.). I'll be pulling it apart as soon as I get better
at emacs and learn tcl. If all goes well expect a server for the keynote gold
line of synthisizers I can get the developer's kit for them.
Regards, Kerry.

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Emacspeak and w3

[T. V. Raman]

1) to find the emacspeak list and all other things emacspeak 
visit the Emacspeak WWW page 
http://cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/emacspeak

2) The message about "autorevert no present"
is not significant --it's a library present in emacs 20 and
absent in emacs 19 
and the message is a wanring --not an error.
3) Your W3 and emacspeak combination does not appear to be
correctly configured 
if things are set up and configured properly you will hear
the text at the link being spoken

4) For how to open an URL etc see the W3 documentation.

5) And things would not have been any different if you had
installed from the packages --installing emacspeak 
from the source will give you a better understanding of how
things work.


6) The emacspeak shell script is basically for beginners 
and it does take care to load your .emacs 

--Raman

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Re: Emacspeak and w3

[T's Mailing Lists]

Emacspeak is in Debian-hamm!

I really can't tell you what you'll -exactly- need to have it runing, but
I guess you'll have to grab yourself libc6 from -bo- and maybe will have
to update all the emacs* stuff. Installing libc from bo shouldn't destroy
your system as libc5 and libc6 will be used in parallel.

But all the same, I have a system here somewhere between bo and hamm, and
it doesn't work -really- well any more - I had to backup several times. So
installing emacspeak from hamm -could- make your life easier, as other
people have sorted installation problems probably out for you, but be
cautious!

Good luck,
*
t

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Re: Emacspeak and w3

[wlestes]

Hmm, emacspeak is written in elisp and tcl, w3 in elisp--you wont need
lib 6 unless you need to upgrade emacs and the new emacs package you
get needs lib6.

Re: Emacspeak and w3

[Dave Hunt]

   From: Kerry Hoath <kerry@gotss.ml.org>
     I have installed the Debian pre-packaged emacs, bo version 19.34 and emacspeak
   was installed by hand. I have not gone hamm yet because if the laptop pcmcia
   card services go west I'm in a bit of a pickle. I start w3 by simply doing:
   M-X w3
   and it brings up the w3 documentation by default. I don't know how to get it
   to open an arbitery URL. The emacspeak shell script also loads emacs with
   options I do not understand, my question is if I add customizations to .emacs
   will they still take effect when I run emacspeak?


Yes, your emacspeak customizations will take effect when you load
emacspeak.  Your '.emacs' is loaded after the emacspeak code.  To set
your startpage to something other than the w3 documentation, set the
variable 'w3-default-homepage' to the desired url.  See the 'info'
pages on w3 for the meanings of customization variables.


   How do you tell you are on a hyperlink? hitting tab appears to read the url
   out which isn't what I want, I need to here the link name, at the moment I
   am cursoring through the line until I find the * chars and hitting return there.


That one appears nowhere in the w3 info pages for w3.  An early
message in one of these lists refers to a variable named something
like 'w3-echo-linkname".  I recall trying this with unsatisfactory
results, so, I removed the line.  Anyone with a suggestion on this,
please write.  This feature seems to have been introduced into w3
version 4.

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Re: Emacspeak and w3

[John Covici]

Does the w3 package come with emacs?  I don't seem to have such a
thing anywhere, or is this something which comes with emacspeak?  I
have emacs 20.2.

Thanks.


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         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: Emacspeak and w3

[wlestes]

> Does the w3 package come with emacs?  I don't seem to have such a
> thing anywhere, or is this something which comes with emacspeak?  I
> have emacs 20.2.

No. get a copy of the emacs faq from rtfm.mit.edu (somewhere in
news.answers) and get the url for w3 from there.

Re: Emacspeak and w3

[wlestes]

And here's a stab at actually being helpful :)

You can get w3 from ftp.cs.indiana.edu in /pub/elisp/w3/.betas.

hth,
--will

Re: Emacspeak and w3

[James R. Van Zandt]

>get a copy of the emacs faq from rtfm.mit.edu...

emacs comes with a copy of the FAQ.  Try: C-H F
(Note - upper case F).

                               - Jim Van Zandt

Re: Emacspeak and w3

[wlestes]

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> >get a copy of the emacs faq from rtfm.mit.edu...
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> emacs comes with a copy of the FAQ.  Try: C-H F
> (Note - upper case F).

Quite true, but the FAQ distributed with emacs is rather obselete
whereas the FAQ on rtfm.mit.edu is not quite as old.

emacspeak and w3

[Tyler Spivey]

how do i fill out forms with it? i can't figure it out worth a darn. and what is wrong with the emacspeak list? thanks.
i'm getting a mail from some xpediar side. is that because you guys ae getting fed up with my messages?

Re: Emacspeak and W3

[Brian L. Sellden]

> I'm trying to run W3 4.0 with Emacspeak 7.0.  After starting w3, Emacspeak
> reports that this version of w3 is too old, and further claims that it is
> no longer supported.  This is, however, the newest version of w3.  The only
> versions with are more up-to-date are the betas, and I'd rather run a
> stable version.

Sounds like you might have an old version of w3 lying around
somewhere.  Look in your .emacs file for clues about where
it might be (i.e. look at the load-path variable).

Brian.
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Emacspeak and W3

[Bryan Smart]

Hey.

I'm trying to run W3 4.0 with Emacspeak 7.0.  After starting w3, Emacspeak
reports that this version of w3 is too old, and further claims that it is
no longer supported.  This is, however, the newest version of w3.  The only
versions with are more up-to-date are the betas, and I'd rather run a
stable version.

Anyone have a guess as to what is going on?  I have a hard time believing
that this version of w3 is actually to old, so I'm guessing that something
is set incorrectly.

Also, on an unrelated note, can anyone tell me why I'm sometimes unable to
leave Emacs with c-x c-c?  Emacs will often beep and not exit.  I've made
sure that all buffers are closed, but I'm still blocked from exiting.


Bryan

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