Re: RealPlayer, RAP, and XVFB

[Whistler <whistler@blinksoft.com>]

I agree with you on the point that we have to find a middle ground  I
think though the middle ground is not yet accessable for the blind
communitty at large.  I think the middle ground is Xwin and only
Ultrasonics will tell.  My wife uses Xwin and truthfully besides the
 avalibility of some software packages Xwin seems to give the same look
and feel of the Yes no Environment that the 95 nerds need.   So bring on
Xwin but leave me the command line where true power lay.

Ken /whistler
www.blinksoft.com
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On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, T. V. Raman wrote:

> wlestes@duvallp.uncg.edu writes:
> True-- for success on the average desktop 
> the out of the box install is ultimately needed.
> 
> However, it is not fair for users to expect free of cost
> hand-holding at every step.
> 
> time is *money* and if someone posts a question
> and expects an answer for free simply because they weren't
> prepared to spend the time reding the docs that came with
> whatever they downloaded, I'll have little or no sympathy 
> for such users.
> 
> 
> If this attitude continues (seems  special to the blinux
> community)
> people who would normally answer questions that deserve an
> answer (because the answer is in fact not in the docs)
> will simply get turned off and go away.
> 
> 
>  > >  Rather than complaining after simply downloading the
>  > > script, you would be better off with such tools if you:
> > 
> > 1) Looked at the script to see what it does
> > --in fact the readme file that comes with rap documents
> > exactly what it does--
> > 
> > 2) test and get each individual piece working in your
> >    environment in this case Xvfb etc 
> > --there is no valid excuse 
> > such as "I did not have access" for not doing this--
> > because you can start xvfb from any shell running inside
> >    emacspeak
> > 
> > 3) finally use the packaged rap  script so you dont have to repeat all the steps
> >    each time--
> > 
> > If you are not comfortable with doing this, go use M$
> > software where you will have the option of clicking yes, no
> > or cancel --
>  > 
>  > Raman, I agree with you in the attitude and actions that you suggest
>  > linux users should take. That is, that is the attitude I try to bring
>  > to new software under linux (and other OSes i use). However, I would
>  > point out that much of what linux needs to do to be sucessful in the
>  > desktop OS market is provide more of the "yes-no-cancel" features that
>  > many microsoft video games provide. Ultimately, we will have to find a
>  > balance between the "do it yourself because you know your environment"
>  > and "have the computer do it for you because the environment is not
>  > open enough to be known". I suspect that this balance will take some
>  > time to reach and will require much patience on all sides.
>  > 
>  > --will
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> --raman
> 
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