From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (qmail 3007 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 1996 16:43:36 -0000 MBOX-Line: From nn201@cus.cam.ac.uk Mon Oct 14 18:42:53 1996 Received: (qmail 2742 invoked by uid 504); 14 Oct 1996 16:38:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 2733 invoked from smtpd); 14 Oct 1996 16:38:46 -0000 Received: from cublx2.cube.net (root@194.97.64.61) by goldfish.cube.net with SMTP; 14 Oct 1996 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by cublx2.cube.net with SMTP id <24683-409>; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:43:34 +0200 Received: from nn201 by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.562 #1) id E0vCkR4-0002tY-00; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:39:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:37:28 +0100 (BST) From: Nikhil Nair X-Sender: nn201@amasis.trin.cam.ac.uk To: blinux-list@GOLDFISH.CUBE.NET Subject: Re: emacs/vi can coexist... In-Reply-To: <199610110354.VAA00317@zygote.ivory.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Id: On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 brian@henge.com wrote: > > I'd be inclined to agree with you - IMHO Braille/speech access software > > should be completely independent of applications, shells etc. (not meaning > > to take anything away from EmacSpeak, but that may not help vi users > > much). Again, though, I'm afraid I don't actually know about this project > > ... > > I think we all agree that access software should > be independent from all other software. However, > emacs is not just an editor. If you like vi, emacs has a vi emulator, > or you can also run the real vi in the terminal emulator > of emacs. There are few things you cannot do from > within emacs. I have been running linux with Emacspeak for over 2 > years while browsing the web, building kernels, sending/recieving email, > developing new software, writing papers for school, etc. > I appreciate that the emacs vs. vi issue is a religious one for most > people. But Emacspeak allows emacs to act as a complete > speaking environment for unix, and you can use vi to edit files if you want to. Absolutely. Sorry, I shouldn't make throw-away comments like that without explaining what I mean :-). For the record, I'm actually an emacs user ... but then I use Braille rather than speech ... What I was really thinking is that there could be situations where a vi user wouldn't actually want to install emacs. On some older laptops, where disk space may be short, emacs is a bit big to install if you don't really want it. But that's not a criticism, just a comment. Anyway, these problems will become very rare (if they aren't already) since disk sizes are increasing. Cheers, Nikhil. -- Nikhil Nair Trinity College, Cambridge, England Tel.: +44 1223 368353 Email: nn201@cus.cam.ac.uk nnair@debian.org