Re: Static IPs

[Andor Demarteau <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Ray Saldana III wrote:

 > Yes it is all PHP so it is parsed before it reaches the web. No coding shows
 > this way yet the renderings are there.
For the information of all:
In php a simple variable shows what browser with what capabilities is used
to access the pages.
This simply can be used to screen-out images/applets if necessary/wanted.

I'll write a script that will display all info about a user visiting a page
and put it on the web, I'll post teh url here so everyone can look at it
(the results and the source).

 > 73 RR
 > AB7JM
 > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "John J. Boyer" <director@chpi.org>
 > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
 > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Static IPs
 > 
 > 
 > > Ray,
 > > I looked at the Web page you indicated, but I couldn't see how you hide
 > the
 > > graphics from the screen reader, unless you use the aplet to do so. I
 > didn't
 > > see any indication of graphics in the source.
 > > John
 > >
 > > Computers to Help People, Inc.
 > > http://www.chpi.org
 > > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703
 > >
 > >
 > > ----- Original Message -----
 > > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com>
 > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
 > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 16:19
 > > Subject: Re: Static IPs
 > >
 > >
 > > > One of the sites I do commercially is www.marthamyhre.com there are
 > > graphics
 > > > on it, and also applets, but I install them in such a way that if you
 > are
 > > > using a screen reader you will never be aware of them, and the text
 > reads
 > > > such that they are not needed for content. I use them as entertainment
 > for
 > > > the sighted community, as we know they are like children we must
 > entertain
 > > > them some.
 > > >     My personal feeling is such that if it is not related to content
 > then
 > > I
 > > > would not deal with them, and get to the mustard of it all. So I
 > > appreciate
 > > > your ideas so I know how others feel about it.
 > > >     For the web there are techniques to make everything readable for us
 > > and
 > > > easy to use. Little things such as when building a form coding in the
 > last
 > > > button underneath the final button so it is read correctly, and it still
 > > > looks god to a sighted person, yet is still very functional for us. Of
 > > > course it is a bit more work, but it works better. I just try to install
 > > > things so they are good for the sighted as there are so many more of
 > them,
 > > > and still offer us the ability to get what we need from them also. It
 > > > sometimes becomes a bit of a chore. I do however appreciate your
 > thoughts
 > > > and ideas.
 > > >     The one thing I can say for sure is we will not get out of this
 > alive
 > > > though.
 > > > 73 RR
 > > > AB7JM
 > > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
 > > > ----- Original Message -----
 > > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
 > > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
 > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:35 PM
 > > > Subject: Re: Static IPs
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > > On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > >  > Ray,
 > > > >  > Jaws will report a graphic even if it has no alt tag. It may give
 > the
 > > > file
 > > > >  > name of the graphic. I feel that a blind user should know when
 > > graphics
 > > > are
 > > > >  > there, so he does not appear ignorant to a sighted user. Likewise,
 > a
 > > > blind
 > > > >  > user should know about the presence of other visual elements, and a
 > > > deaf
 > > > >  > user should know about sound elements. I don't want to seem like a
 > > fool
 > > > to
 > > > >  > my sighted colleagues.
 > > > > John, they also can be a little more approciative and know that some
 > > > things
 > > > > on a site are not visible for you (or audiable for a deaf person).
 > > > > Why do we always want to know exactly what sighted people know and
 > make
 > > > our
 > > > > lifes that more dificult at the same time.
 > > > >
 > > > >  > John
 > > > >  >
 > > > >  > Computers to Help People, Inc.
 > > > >  > http://www.chpi.org
 > > > >  > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703
 > > > >  >
 > > > >  >
 > > > >  > ----- Original Message -----
 > > > >  > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com>
 > > > >  > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
 > > > >  > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 15:03
 > > > >  > Subject: Re: Static IPs
 > > > >  >
 > > > >  >
 > > > >  > > Carl, one other question, will you share your address with me? I
 > > just
 > > > want
 > > > >  > > to check it out for curiosity.
 > > > >  > >     Another question for everyone, I don't use alt tags in my web
 > > > pages. I
 > > > >  > > lay the graphics in so if you are using a screen reader you never
 > > > know
 > > > >  > they
 > > > >  > > are there. Do you feel this is a mistake? I myself am always
 > after
 > > > the
 > > > >  > text,
 > > > >  > > and since I am unable to see the pictures, just prefer they lay
 > in
 > > > and I
 > > > >  > am
 > > > >  > > unaware of them. This was my reasoning as I can use the text that
 > > is
 > > > what
 > > > >  > I
 > > > >  > > am after, and so prefer the pictures to be left to the sighted
 > > > community.
 > > > >  > I
 > > > >  > > would appreciate others feelings on this.
 > > > >  > >     I also use Java-applets, but lay them in so a non sighted
 > > person
 > > > never
 > > > >  > > knows they are there. In other words no interferences with the
 > > > sharing of
 > > > >  > > information. Do you guys feel this is a mistake?
 > > > >  > >     Animations I use and again lay them in the coding so they
 > don't
 > > > >  > > interfere, sometimes this is not an easy task, but can be
 > > > accomplished
 > > > >  > with
 > > > >  > > some effort. Thanks again!
 > > > >  > > 73 RR
 > > > >  > > AB7JM
 > > > >  > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
 > > > >  > > ----- Original Message -----
 > > > >  > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
 > > > >  > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
 > > > >  > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:49 AM
 > > > >  > > Subject: Re: Static IPs
 > > > >  > >
 > > > >  > >
 > > > >  > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
 > > > >  > > >
 > > > >  > > >  > Someone described a pseudo-always-on dsl connection from
 > > > Ameritech,
 > > > >  > > >  > wherein the company drops you if you're not busy,
 > > > >  > > >  > and you wake up with a new ip address.
 > > > >  > > >  > What a frightening thought.
 > > > >  > > > have a look at http://www.dhs.org
 > > > >  > > > great and quick service to get a dynamic-ip with a
 > > fixed-hostname.
 > > > >  > > > Works fine.
 > > > >  > > >
 > > > >  > > >
 > > > >  > > >  > I've just started hosting my own web site, on my own
 > machine,
 > > > >  > > >  > and I don't know why I didn't take the plunge long ago.
 > > > >  > > >  > It's easy, and it's fun.
 > > > >  > > >  > There are numerous advantages, and a couple disadvantages.
 > > > >  > > >  > Well anyways, it would be unthinkable if I had such a
 > terrible
 > > > isp.
 > > > >  > > >  > I certainly can't reprogram all the name servers on the
 > > internet
 > > > >  > > >  > every time they decide to give me a new ip address.
 > > > >  > > >  > The cable at-home service doesn't work like that,
 > > > >  > > >  > and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
 > > > >  > > >  > They even tried to help me set up,
 > > > >  > > >  > knowing that I was on Linux.
 > > > >  > > >  > That's pretty rare.
 > > > >  > > >  >
 > > > >  > > >  > Getting back to the IPs;
 > > > >  > > >  > one day we lost the bill, or it got lost in the mail, or
 > > > whatever,
 > > > >  > > >  > and I was behind, so they turned off the service.
 > > > >  > > >  > I called with my credit card to turn it back on and asked,
 > > > >  > > >  > please please please,
 > > > >  > > >  > can I have my old ip back again.
 > > > >  > > >  > "Sure, we've been saving it for you."
 > > > >  > > >  > Now that's class,
 > > > >  > > >  > and its certainly important to those of us who are hosting
 > our
 > > > own
 > > > >  > > sites.
 > > > >  > > >  >
 > > > >  > > >  > Karl Dahlke
 > > > >  > > >  >
 > > > >  > > >  >
 > > > >  > > >  >
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