Re: The growing accessibility gap: was Ameritech.net

[Andor Demarteau <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>]

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Rafael Skodlar wrote:

 > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:04:22PM -0400, Jared wrote:
 > > If the command line is so grate write me or help write me a mass market
 > > application that cells to millions of coppies. You can't because you can't
Linux is not an economic product, no mass-ads for it and certainly no big
company behind it.
Don't try to blame lack of knolidge about handeling linux as inaccesible
Last but not leeast, you don't SELL linux you get it FOR FREE!
Now how is that compared to all commerical bullshit!

One last thing, I'm possitive that if the gnome and kde accebility projects
succeed that will be a lot better then MS and all included will ever
become.

Fine, if you feel better win windbloze, your problem.
Now, let's quit the OS-discussion and ask ourselves what this thread really
is about then bitching each other about here believes/experiences.


 > You do need to learn basics of economics, technology, and about menthality
 > of masses.
 > 
 > > use the g u i interface in linux like you can in windows. So you will have
 > 
 > Come on, stop this nonsense! Linux Apps can be and often are much better
 > designed in GUI or otherwise. The applications at least reside separate
 > from data which is not the case in most Windoze crap where there is no
 > serious concept of home.
 > 
 > I support developers on a daily basis and it's amazing to see that they
 > can come come up with something that works under windows. Fortunately for
 > me I only need to deal with Linux and Solaris, both stable which I cannot 
 > say for windoze.
 > 
 > > to write in general smaller market programs if you wish to do that for a
 > > job. I on the other hand because I'm not thick headed can write G U I
 > > applications with vb or any number of other tools. As for your comment to
 > 
 > VB is not software development!
 > 
 > > Mr. Toneby what about the people who tryed to make linux a more user
 > > friendly opperaiting system generated a G U I so they generated code that
 > 
 > They've done a nice job, thank you. Gnome, KDE, etc. with a lot of tools
 > and apps including nice virtual screens which I have yet to see in
 > (default) windows.
 > 
 > > turned to inaccessible garbige for you so they are just as mutch at fault as
 > > sun. A large part of microsoft is that the windows 3.1 was not around for a
 > > long enough time for standerds to devolipe. They may have been responcible
 > 
 > Windows was never a standard and it never will be outside MS. At least you
 > can export X windows applications between different platforms which is NOT
 > the case in windows. Worse, one application in one version of windoze
 > won't run in another in many cases.
 > 
 > Unix is mature OS, windows is still in diapers and they smell badly.
 > 
 > > for the inaccessibility in the past but now they are making an effort to
 > > change that tell me is there anyone trying in the linux community cort or no
 > > cort trying to make a screen reader for the G U I part of linux? If so
 > 
 > Linux is open source and depends on developers free time among other
 > things. If you want something written for you then come up with some dough
 > to support Linux community. Perhaps if somebody gets all the equipment
 > needed to develop such a reader, they'll do it. Small markets get less
 > attention than large ones, simple economics.
 > 
 > > please send me email so I can try and help but don't complain about
 > > microsoft when people arn't working to help your beloved oh so accessible
 > > linux.
 > 
 > More nonsense! Nobody owes you free programs. Be happy to get them so
 > cheap.
 > 
 > GNU/Linux is just an OS that makes computers usable. It happens to be very
 > good tool and free on top of that. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.
 > 
 > Rafael
 > 
 > 
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