From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA942FF37 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id f88I2R210541 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:02:27 -0400 Received: from mail.students.cs.uu.nl (vmailer@solar.students.cs.uu.nl [131.211.82.28]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f88I2Rg10537 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:02:27 -0400 Received: from abeel.students.cs.uu.nl (abeel.students.cs.uu.nl [131.211.82.40]) by mail.students.cs.uu.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476E985ED for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:02:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:02:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andor Demarteau To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: The growing accessibility gap: was Ameritech.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Jude DaShiell wrote: > When a computer language is written so that it's possible for stupid > programmers to generate garbage with it and call that finished product the > inventors of the language in my book take full responsibility for having > enabled the garbage. html on its face before netscape and microsoft came > in and added their innovations was lots more accessible just using lynx > than most of the world-wide wait is today. true in that respect that a. blaming people to forget you as blind person in there desing-issues is rightout arrogant b. c and c++ can be graphical as well, yet I don't here discussions about that > Jude > > On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Peter Toneby wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:36:26PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > The three companies primarily responsible for inaccessibility are sun > > > microsystems for having invented java in the first place. Second netscape > > > for having innovated html and java. Third Microsoft for having innovated > > > everything else. > > > > *beeep* > > Now this is pretty much plain wrong!!!! > > Java, in and on itself, is not inaccessible, it's stupid programmers > > that write stupid java-applets,. That should never have been possible. > > HTML is not netscapes fault, it w3c's, and netscape hasn't touched Java > > very much, IE and Netscape had java-support at the same time. And > > Microsoft haven't innovated shit. they have moslty bought their > > "innovations" and Windows is alot more accesible than linux when it > > comes to apps, In Linux you can't just start jaws and then pretty much > > any other app without problems, try and do that on linux with X (say to > > do something thee are no fileformat->text-app, You will fail miserably, > > but luckily this is seldom the case for most of you. And you can happily > > use Linux in console instead of X. > > > > oh, well time to stop rantin and start sleeping... > > > > /Peter > > -- > > Alpha Test Version: Too buggy to be released to the paying public. > > Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released. > > Release Version: Alternate pronunciation of "Beta Test Version". > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > slainte mhaith (good health), slainte (cheers) Uisce Beatha (water of live/health) ----------- Andor Demarteau E-mail: ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl student computer science www: http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~ademarte/ Utrecht University irc: see webpage for details ----------- Believe in yourself, know what you want, and make it happen!