Instructions for installing Slackware

Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

I am looking for instructions for installing Slackware. I'm not sure which
version, because I received it in September. I have a sighted friend who
is willing to help, but since I've never done this before, I am paranoid
about messing up my computer. The things I need to do after I install it are:

1. Figure out when to install brltty
2. instructions for setting up a PPP connection
3. instructions for setting up realaudio.
4. be able to set up a dual boot between dos and linux.

Any suggestions whatsoever would be very appreciated. Thanks.






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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Leslie:

Your concerns are well founded, but they needn't prevent you from moving
forward.

The most important thing is to make sure you have a good backup before you
start deploying a second OS on your HD. Idealy, this should be a backup of
the partition you want to protect, rather than the entire HD. This way,
you can restore, if need be, to a particular partition--which may even be
of a different size--without losing something else where on the hd. I use
Ghost for this--and I think it's now available as a consumer product from
Symantec.

PS: Ghost works very very well for this--but you also need to have
something like a Jaz drive that will hold a large file -- mine now
approach 1 Gb -- in one image file.

2.) You will need to decide on a good partitioning scheme for your hd and
repartition the system. On the Windows side, a product like Power Quest's
Partition Magic is accessible and very easy to use. Most importantly, it's
reliable. I trust it so much I used it to resize a FAT partition on a
notebook, while using battery power just the other day.

3.) Once you've accomplished these two tasks, you can install and
reinstall without threatening your working partitions. You won't even need
a boot manager, necessarily, to do this.


				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> I am looking for instructions for installing Slackware. I'm not sure which
> version, because I received it in September. I have a sighted friend who
> is willing to help, but since I've never done this before, I am paranoid
> about messing up my computer. The things I need to do after I install it are:
> 
> 1. Figure out when to install brltty
> 2. instructions for setting up a PPP connection
> 3. instructions for setting up realaudio.
> 4. be able to set up a dual boot between dos and linux.
> 
> Any suggestions whatsoever would be very appreciated. Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

Hi Janina:

I'm not real familiar with this ghost thing. Can you explain how it
works? By the way, I have Windows 95b on my hd, but my computer boots up
in dos, if this is helpful information. My drives are already petioned,
but on the dos side, I think. Guess I'll have to repetion it again?



On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hi, Leslie:
> 
> Your concerns are well founded, but they needn't prevent you from moving
> forward.
> 
> The most important thing is to make sure you have a good backup before you
> start deploying a second OS on your HD. Idealy, this should be a backup of
> the partition you want to protect, rather than the entire HD. This way,
> you can restore, if need be, to a particular partition--which may even be
> of a different size--without losing something else where on the hd. I use
> Ghost for this--and I think it's now available as a consumer product from
> Symantec.
> 
> PS: Ghost works very very well for this--but you also need to have
> something like a Jaz drive that will hold a large file -- mine now
> approach 1 Gb -- in one image file.
> 
> 2.) You will need to decide on a good partitioning scheme for your hd and
> repartition the system. On the Windows side, a product like Power Quest's
> Partition Magic is accessible and very easy to use. Most importantly, it's
> reliable. I trust it so much I used it to resize a FAT partition on a
> notebook, while using battery power just the other day.
> 
> 3.) Once you've accomplished these two tasks, you can install and
> reinstall without threatening your working partitions. You won't even need
> a boot manager, necessarily, to do this.
> 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Information Systems Research & Development
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> 
> > I am looking for instructions for installing Slackware. I'm not sure which
> > version, because I received it in September. I have a sighted friend who
> > is willing to help, but since I've never done this before, I am paranoid
> > about messing up my computer. The things I need to do after I install it are:
> > 
> > 1. Figure out when to install brltty
> > 2. instructions for setting up a PPP connection
> > 3. instructions for setting up realaudio.
> > 4. be able to set up a dual boot between dos and linux.
> > 
> > Any suggestions whatsoever would be very appreciated. Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > just very particular about who it makes friends with."
> > 
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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Janina Sajka]

dThe Ghost software, which I think has a different name as a Symantec
consumer product, writes a sector by sector image of your hard drive, or
the partition you select, to a file. You get to name the file and specify
where it is written--but that must be somewhere other than the partition
you're taking the image of. Think of it like taking a picture, because
that's pretty accurate.

This is a good and smart thing to do because, if you get into serious
trouble and lose all of your data through some mistake you make, you can
turn the process around and recreate your working partition from the image
file. It works very very well. It takes me about 45 minutes to create the
image, and about 15 minutes to restore a computer from an image file. I've
done this both ways many many times.

PS: You can download a demo copy of this program from the Symantec web
site--at least these were available last I looked some months ago. The
demos were fully functional but timed out after 30 days.

You will need to repartition your drive, but you shouldn't do that until
you've baked your system up properly, first. You will not be putting your
Slackware on the same partition as DOS or Windows, but you can certainly
choose which to boot into, and you can even launch Linux after booting
into DOS if you prefer.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> Hi Janina:
> 
> I'm not real familiar with this ghost thing. Can you explain how it
> works? By the way, I have Windows 95b on my hd, but my computer boots up
> in dos, if this is helpful information. My drives are already petioned,
> but on the dos side, I think. Guess I'll have to repetion it again?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Leslie:
> > 
> > Your concerns are well founded, but they needn't prevent you from moving
> > forward.
> > 
> > The most important thing is to make sure you have a good backup before you
> > start deploying a second OS on your HD. Idealy, this should be a backup of
> > the partition you want to protect, rather than the entire HD. This way,
> > you can restore, if need be, to a particular partition--which may even be
> > of a different size--without losing something else where on the hd. I use
> > Ghost for this--and I think it's now available as a consumer product from
> > Symantec.
> > 
> > PS: Ghost works very very well for this--but you also need to have
> > something like a Jaz drive that will hold a large file -- mine now
> > approach 1 Gb -- in one image file.
> > 
> > 2.) You will need to decide on a good partitioning scheme for your hd and
> > repartition the system. On the Windows side, a product like Power Quest's
> > Partition Magic is accessible and very easy to use. Most importantly, it's
> > reliable. I trust it so much I used it to resize a FAT partition on a
> > notebook, while using battery power just the other day.
> > 
> > 3.) Once you've accomplished these two tasks, you can install and
> > reinstall without threatening your working partitions. You won't even need
> > a boot manager, necessarily, to do this.
> > 
> > 
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Information Systems Research & Development
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > janina@afb.net
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> > 
> > > I am looking for instructions for installing Slackware. I'm not sure which
> > > version, because I received it in September. I have a sighted friend who
> > > is willing to help, but since I've never done this before, I am paranoid
> > > about messing up my computer. The things I need to do after I install it are:
> > > 
> > > 1. Figure out when to install brltty
> > > 2. instructions for setting up a PPP connection
> > > 3. instructions for setting up realaudio.
> > > 4. be able to set up a dual boot between dos and linux.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions whatsoever would be very appreciated. Thanks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ***** **************************************************
> > > "Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It's 
> > > just very particular about who it makes friends with."
> > > 
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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Tommy Moore]

One thing that I learned about ghost today when trying to use it is that
when you run the program speech locks up so if you do use ghost you'll
have to figure out a way to do some batch processing if it can be done. I
haven't been able to read the documentation that comes with ghost so I'm
still in the learning process when it comes to this prog.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

Can ghost be run under dos? Thanks.






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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Janina Sajka]

dOn Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> Can ghost be run under dos? Thanks.
> 
Absolutely. See my long note to Tommy about this.

Realize that you're going to need someplace to put the results, though --
like a second (or third) partition on your hard drive. Or better still,
like to a Jazz drive. Or you can burn a CD ROM.

All of this costs money, of course. The Ghost costs, the Jazz drive or the
CD ROM burner costs, etc. You have to decide whether it's worth the
cost. I think your decision should depend on how important your current
setup is. If you don't have a lot of data that's important to you on your
computer, and if you feel comfortable about reinstalling everything should
you lose it, and if you have the time to deal with all that -- well, then
don't worry about Ghost and Jazz drives.

If, however, you have a lot of data that's important, or you don't have
much time because you work and/or go to grad school or something -- then
you're very strongly advised to get a good backup somehow. Ghost is one
way. There are others.

Now, if you don't know how to reinstall DOS -- maybe you should start
there before tackling Linux. It's much simpler. That's another story
entirely.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Tommy:

I don't know about calling Ghost from within Windows because I never do it
that way. I know it has some neat features such as the ability to retrieve
just certain files. But, as I said I don't use it that way.

Instead I use it from a DOS prompt. Either I do a shutdown to MS DOS
Prompt -- or I just start up in command mode -- hold down the control key
immediately, and I do mean immediately after you hear the system beep that
indicates the beginning of DOS loading and then press the number five on
the top row of the computer's keyboard where the numbers are -- and hit
enter.

This takes you to a C:> prompt of some kind. I like to have my Ghost files
on the hard drive -- so I do a CD to the directory where they are.

Now things get interesting. You cannot just run ghost and use the menus,
because they've made this application look and act like a Windows app. It
really does, next and back buttons and everything like that -- and it's a
DOS app! <grin>

So, what do I do?  Read the file called "switches.txt" and become an
expert on it. That's all you need to know to run Ghost from the command
line -- or to build a batch file to use -- which I've also done to make
this quick and easy for myself.

Here's my command for creating an image file called win98.i on my D:>
drive:

ghost -clone,mode=pdump,src=1:1,dst=d:\win98.i -sure -vfy -z9

Here's what all that means:

Ghost is the executable, obviously
-clone means we're going to clone something
pdump means we're going to dump a partition -- not the whole disk
src means source
1:1 means the first partition on the first disk
dst means destination
d:\win98.i is the filename I said I was going to use.

-sure is a switch to tell it to exit to DOS when it's finished instead of
asking for some confirmation from you -- I don't remember what it is
actually

-vfy is verify

-z9 means maximum compression -- and slowest speed, of course.
I prefer to write the image to a second partition on the machine I'm
cloning if I can. Then I move it to a Jazz drive or I burn a CD with the
image. If I do something stupid, or I install some stupid program that
makes my computer not work well, I can undo the damage in about 15 minutes
like so:

ghost -clone,mode=pload,src=d:\win98.i:1,dst=1:1 -sure

which means

pload load a partition
source is my filename which was originally on partition 1 somewhere -- yes
you can move a bootable partition this way to partition2, for example

dst 1:1 means put it into partition one on the first disk

By the way, as I write this, I'm creating such a backup for a client right
now on a notebook computer sitting to my right.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:

> One thing that I learned about ghost today when trying to use it is that
> when you run the program speech locks up so if you do use ghost you'll
> have to figure out a way to do some batch processing if it can be done. I
> haven't been able to read the documentation that comes with ghost so I'm
> still in the learning process when it comes to this prog.
> 
> 
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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Scott Howell]

just thought you'd like to know that the only way to get Ghost is purchase
the entire Norton's package. I tried getting it as a stand-alone, but would
have to purchase ten licenses.
No thanks.



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Norton Ghost Personal Edition

[Janina Sajka]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Scott Howell wrote:

> just thought you'd like to know that the only way to get Ghost is purchase
> the entire Norton's package. I tried getting it as a stand-alone, but would
> have to purchase ten licenses.
> No thanks.
> 
Well, if this were true I certainly wouldn't blame you. I don't know who
you spoke with, but this information is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Here's the text about Norton Ghost 2000 Personal Edition as published at:

http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/

   
Norton Ghost 2000 Personal Edition
Product Info

   Norton Ghost 2000 Personal Edition is the high-performance software
   for cloning and imaging your hard drive.
   
   Technically savvy home computer users can use it to migrate data
   files, applications, and system settings when replacing an old PC with
   a new one; clone an entire hard drive when upgrading your hardware;
   create compressed hard disk backups; and restore disk images during
   disaster recovery.
   
   You can copy disk images to removable media, then restore entire
   images or individual files and directories as needed. You can also
   clone directly to another PC via parallel ports or NetBIOS interfaces.
   
                                                         You can purchase
                                       Norton Ghost 2000 Personal Edition
                                                      (downloadable only)
                                               online from Shop Symantec.
                                                    List Price: $63.00 US
                                          [48]Purchase from Shop Symantec
   
   Built-in error checking and image-comparison capabilities provide
   assurance that stored images exactly duplicate the original. For added
   flexibility, you can clone individual partitions as well as entire
   disks. When cloning, partition sizing is automatically calculated and
   performed on the destination drive-or you can adjust the size
   yourself. Norton Ghost Personal Edition is compatible with all
   Microsoft operating systems and partition types. Its flexible,
   "no-frills" interface gives PC experts precise control over the
   cloning process. And it's based on the proven technology of Norton
   Ghost Corporate Edition, the leading PC cloning utility.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Norton Ghost Personal Edition

[Scott Howell]

incredible. Either they recently made this available or the folks at
Symantec dont' know what they sell. I spoke to sales and tech support. Geez,
well thanks for sharing that info. I really went round and round with them
trying to get them to sell the darn thing to me, but not unless I'd buy ten
licenses.
Well thanks again. Looks like it might be the ticket. You know they use it
at my office and it really works great! they blast and reblast drives using
it.



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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Tommy Moore]

Hi, I can help you with a few of those things.
I'll take them in the order that they will probably need to be setup. For
the loading of both linux and windows you'll just choose the simple
installation of lilo when you install linux and that should be enough. For
setting up ppp all you do after you reboot and login as root is type
pppsetup and it will ask you questions like number to dial and dns servers
and stuff so have your information ready. For braille tty I'm not sure.
Did I forget anything?

Thanks, Tommy.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

Hi Tommy:

Thanks for answering some of my questions. I have a couple more to ask. I
have four slackware cds. I'm not sure which to put in first and what to
type at the various prompts. I have windows on my computer, but I boot up
in a dos box. I need to be able to switch back and forth from linux to
dos easily. How can this be done? Do I need to be more concerned about dos
or windows? When I type ver at the c:\> prompt, it says I'm running
windows 95b. but I don't use windows at all because I don't have a windows
screen reader. Does this make sense to anybody?
I also want to know what is lilo and what is ramdisk.






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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Scott Howell]

First ramdisk is a temporary place in memory that the os will treat like a
tiny hard drive. Hope that is a pretty brief and straight forward
explanation.
you just need to have enough ram for it and Linux will do the rest.
You can run a dual-boot system and others on this list are most definately
more qualified than I to explain this. I am just working on getting Linux
installed myself. Of course one the blasted snow lays off, UPS will bring me
my box to install it on.
The Slackware cd set contains 4 discs. THe side of the case that opens with
a book is the section containing disc 1 and 2. As you open the case there
will be a cd on the left and one on the right. THe case as you know contains
two sides that open and one center piece.
This center piece is the section that contains discs 2 and 3. The outer
sections hold discs 1 and 4. Again the side that has the booklette contains
disc 1 and 2 thus the thin section that has one cd is disc one. You'll know
this if you insert this disc and do a dir.
It'll tell you its disc 1.

now what to type. Well depending upon the boot arrangement. I don't know
what speech synth your using, but once you get that disk made up and booted,
you'll type install, but you have to get the Linux boot disk made and then
run fdisk to create the Linux partition first. However, now I'm getting out
of familiar territory and so will leave you in the hands of the vastly
knowledgible and helpful folks on the list.
Once I get up and running I'll be happy to help anyone I can. However, at
this point I'd probably be more harm than good.<G>.
Goodluck.


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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Janina Sajka]

You'll need to create some partitions. If you want to keep your
DOS/Windows intact, you'll absolutely have to learn what that is and how
to deal with it. Partitions are not specific to Linux. They're just a
reality for any operating system. You're planning to have two operating
systems on your hard drive. To do that, you'll need a minimum of two
partitions.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> Hi Tommy:
> 
> Thanks for answering some of my questions. I have a couple more to ask. I
> have four slackware cds. I'm not sure which to put in first and what to
> type at the various prompts. I have windows on my computer, but I boot up
> in a dos box. I need to be able to switch back and forth from linux to
> dos easily. How can this be done? Do I need to be more concerned about dos
> or windows? When I type ver at the c:\> prompt, it says I'm running
> windows 95b. but I don't use windows at all because I don't have a windows
> screen reader. Does this make sense to anybody?
> I also want to know what is lilo and what is ramdisk.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Chevelle Strobel]

You should be able to put the Slackware CD in and read the instructions under DOS.  Look for a README file etc.
You will need to uncompress and UN-tar Braille Tty like
tar xvfz brlttyname.gz

You could do this under DOS if you have the programs or on any Unix system you can telnet to and read or Braille the instructions.
Maybe the instructions are on the web site.
You will need to edit a Makefile and other files and compile the program.


I'm not really sure you should use Slackware, but there will be many
opinions about that.  I would choose Debian or Redhat.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

I have a unix shell. Can I edit the makefile there? that would be
easier. This makefile would be for brltty, right?


I'm only trying slackware because it is all I have for right now. I have
heard that Debian has no graphics at all, so I'd love to try it. However,
I have also heard that pine under Debian isn't supported. I don't know how
true that is, though.






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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[James R. Van Zandt]

Leslie -

Debian distributes most everything - over 4000 packages in all.  Pine
is a special case because its license forbids the distribution of
"derivative works", which means Debian cannot distribute the usual
binary package.  However, Debian does distribute the pine396-src and
pine396-diffs packages, which contain the unmodified sources and the
changes to make a Debian package.  You can then compile and install it
yourself.

		 - Jim Van Zandt


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>I have a unix shell. Can I edit the makefile there? that would be
>easier. This makefile would be for brltty, right?
>
>
>I'm only trying slackware because it is all I have for right now. I have
>heard that Debian has no graphics at all, so I'd love to try it. However,
>I have also heard that pine under Debian isn't supported. I don't know how
>true that is, though.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

Hi:

If this is off-topic, please respond to me privately. However, I am a
newbie and would like to know some of the advantages of the different
distributions of linux. Is Debian all text-based, or is that a
myth? Thanks.


On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote:

> 
> Leslie -
> 
> Debian distributes most everything - over 4000 packages in all.  Pine
> is a special case because its license forbids the distribution of
> "derivative works", which means Debian cannot distribute the usual
> binary package.  However, Debian does distribute the pine396-src and
> pine396-diffs packages, which contain the unmodified sources and the
> changes to make a Debian package.  You can then compile and install it
> yourself.
> 
> 		 - Jim Van Zandt
> 
> 
> >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:24:21 -0500 (EST)
> >From: Leslie Fairall <fairall@primenet.com>
> >cc: blinux-list@redhat.com, recipient.list.not.shown:;@
> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> >Resent-From: blinux-list@redhat.com
> >Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> >
> >I have a unix shell. Can I edit the makefile there? that would be
> >easier. This makefile would be for brltty, right?
> >
> >
> >I'm only trying slackware because it is all I have for right now. I have
> >heard that Debian has no graphics at all, so I'd love to try it. However,
> >I have also heard that pine under Debian isn't supported. I don't know how
> >true that is, though.
> 





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Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[James R. Van Zandt]

Leslie -

If you are worried about setting up dual booting correctly, I suggest
you start Linux with "loadlin" instead of "lilo".  With loadlin, you
make no changes to the boot sector.  Just install loadlin.exe and your
Linux kernel file (typically named zImage or bzImage) in some
convenient directory in your DOS partition.  Then, after booting into
DOS, you can switch into Linux by running loadlin.  Here's the command
I use on my notebook:

loadlin kernels/2-2-13/bzImage root=/dev/hda6 ro

(Of course, I actually put this in a batch file so I can type just
"linux".)

			      - Jim Van Zandt

>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:11:53 -0500 (EST)
>From: Leslie Fairall <fairall@primenet.com>
>
>I am looking for instructions for installing Slackware. I'm not sure which
>version, because I received it in September. I have a sighted friend who
>is willing to help, but since I've never done this before, I am paranoid
>about messing up my computer. The things I need to do after I install it are:
>
>1. Figure out when to install brltty
>2. instructions for setting up a PPP connection
>3. instructions for setting up realaudio.
>4. be able to set up a dual boot between dos and linux.
>
>Any suggestions whatsoever would be very appreciated. Thanks.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

Hi Jim:

Is loadlin a dos or linux program? If it is a dos program, where do
I get ait? Thanks.






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"Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It's 
just very particular about who it makes friends with."

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[James R. Van Zandt]

Leslie -

loadlin is a DOS program.  That is, it executes under DOS.  
loadlin is available from
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/boot/dualboot
and from elserv.ffm.fgan.de:/pub/linux

and in the Debian package "loadlin".

	   - Jim Van Zandt


>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:38:01 -0500 (EST)
>From: Leslie Fairall <fairall@primenet.com>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
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>
>Hi Jim:
>
>Is loadlin a dos or linux program? If it is a dos program, where do
>I get ait? Thanks.

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[brian and denise albriton]

How do I unsubscribe from the list?


Brian And Denise
One happy couple!
Denise plays autoharp, Brian plays guitar

was installing Slackware now unsubscribing, newbey's and FAQ

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Unsubscribing info is at the bottom of every message.

Listen if anyone is trying to get Linux installed using speakup, come join
the speakup mailing list.  We don't have problems with Linux installation
questions over there...  Or how about a newbey list?

Also the FAQ needs to be updated to include using speakup for installation. 

FC
At 08:00 PM 1/27/00 -0800, you wrote:
>How do I unsubscribe from the list?

Re: was installing Slackware now unsubscribing, newbey's and FAQ

[Hans Zoebelein]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:


> Also the FAQ needs to be updated to include using speakup for installation. 

That's a good idea that you are planning to send me your contribution
about speakup for the Blinux FAQ. (Or did I misinterpret your posting?) 
I have taken over the Blinux FAQ since yesterday. Please mail your FAQ 
contribution to hzo@goldfish.cube.net.

Thank you for your support.

Hans
(maintainer blinux-lists)

Instructions for installing Slackware

[Chevelle Strobel]

Jim Van Zandt has a document about this on his home page at 
www.mv.com/ipusers/vanzandt/

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[Leslie Fairall]

Jim Van Zandt's documentation may be helpful at some point, but I am
still very confused. One thing that it assumes is that I will be hooking
up another computer to act as a terminal. I will be using a sighted
friend to read the screen. Another thing it assumes is that I will be
using Emacsspeak. I will be using brltty instead. I need information on
how to install this program.






***** **************************************************
"Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It's 
just very particular about who it makes friends with."

Re: Instructions for installing Slackware

[James R. Van Zandt]

I wrote my document on installing Slackware some time ago, and have
not tried installing a recent version.  Please take what it says with
a grain of salt.

		- Jim Van Zandt


>From: Chevelle Strobel <cstrobel@crosslink.net>
>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:16:33 -0500 (EST)
>
>Jim Van Zandt has a document about this on his home page at 
>www.mv.com/ipusers/vanzandt/
>
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