pine and filters.

pine and filters.

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hi listers.
I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
following questions.
Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
Thanks for any help.
Regards.
Nektarios.

Re: pine and filters.

[cstrobel]

	One way to do a thread kill with Pine is to type ";ts" then press
control-x to match everything with the current subject.  Hopefully
somebody knows a better way.  Doing thread kills with VM under Emacspeak
is easier, but VM is not very easy to set up.


On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Hi listers.
> I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
> following questions.
> Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
> Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
> delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
> in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
> the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
> messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
> messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
> and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
> with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
> Thanks for any help.
> Regards.
> Nektarios.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: pine and filters.

[ddunfee..]

Where can one read pine documemtation on the web?  The ";ts" example is not
found in the general help info from within pine, or at least I have not run
across it yet.

Thanks,

Someone thus scribed:

>	One way to do a thread kill with Pine is to type ";ts" then press
>control-x to match everything with the current subject.  Hopefully
>somebody knows a better way.  Doing thread kills with VM under Emacspeak
>is easier, but VM is not very easy to set up.
>
>
>On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
>
>> Hi listers.
>> I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
>> following questions.
>> Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
>> lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
>> Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
>> delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
>> in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
>> the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
>> messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
>> messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
>> and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
>> with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Regards.
>> Nektarios.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: pine and filters.

[cstrobel]

If you go to the Inbox and type '?' you will find the ';' command
documented there as the "select" command.  You should also read about the
apply command which is 'a'.


On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, ddunfee.. wrote:

> Where can one read pine documemtation on the web?  The ";ts" example is not
> found in the general help info from within pine, or at least I have not run
> across it yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Someone thus scribed:
> 
> >	One way to do a thread kill with Pine is to type ";ts" then press
> >control-x to match everything with the current subject.  Hopefully
> >somebody knows a better way.  Doing thread kills with VM under Emacspeak
> >is easier, but VM is not very easy to set up.
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
> >
> >> Hi listers.
> >> I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
> >> following questions.
> >> Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> >> lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
> >> Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
> >> delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
> >> in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
> >> the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
> >> messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
> >> messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
> >> and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
> >> with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >> Regards.
> >> Nektarios.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
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> >
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Re: pine and filters.

[Luke Davis]

Sure it is.  Go to pine config (sc from the main menu), go to the
aggrigate-command-set option, and press control-g.

Luke

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, ddunfee.. wrote:

> Where can one read pine documemtation on the web?  The ";ts" example is not
> found in the general help info from within pine, or at least I have not run
> across it yet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Someone thus scribed:
>
> >	One way to do a thread kill with Pine is to type ";ts" then press
> >control-x to match everything with the current subject.  Hopefully
> >somebody knows a better way.  Doing thread kills with VM under Emacspeak
> >is easier, but VM is not very easy to set up.
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
> >
> >> Hi listers.
> >> I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
> >> following questions.
> >> Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> >> lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
> >> Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
> >> delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
> >> in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
> >> the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
> >> messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
> >> messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
> >> and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
> >> with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >> Regards.
> >> Nektarios.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: pine and filters.

[Jude DaShiell]

For that thread kill in pine, the first key you hit is i otherwise you'll
do some undesireable things to your address book.  Comma separated:
i,;,t,s,c-x,<cr>,a,d,x,y gets it done better.

Re: pine and filters.

[David Csercsics]

I don't know about Pine but Mutt does threading very nicely. Both Pine and 
Mutt will let you organize messages in folders.



At 02:42 AM 04/10/2002 +0300, you wrote:
>Hi listers.
>I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
>following questions.
>Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
>lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
>Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
>delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
>in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
>the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
>messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
>messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
>and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
>with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
>Thanks for any help.
>Regards.
>Nektarios.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Blinux-list@redhat.com
>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

RE: pine and filters.

[Nektarios Mallas]

When you say organizing, will pine send the messages in to different folders
based on defined rules upon recieving them or do I have to do it manualy?

-----Original Message-----
From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On
Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:57 AM
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: pine and filters.


I don't know about Pine but Mutt does threading very nicely. Both Pine and
Mutt will let you organize messages in folders.



At 02:42 AM 04/10/2002 +0300, you wrote:
>Hi listers.
>I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
>following questions.
>Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
>lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
>Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
>delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
>in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
>the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
>messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
>messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
>and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
>with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
>Thanks for any help.
>Regards.
>Nektarios.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Re: pine and filters.

[David Csercsics]

I'm not sure since I don't use pine usually.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@otenet.gr>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:00 AM
Subject: RE: pine and filters.


> When you say organizing, will pine send the messages in to different
folders
> based on defined rules upon recieving them or do I have to do it manualy?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On
> Behalf Of David Csercsics
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:57 AM
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: pine and filters.
>
>
> I don't know about Pine but Mutt does threading very nicely. Both Pine and
> Mutt will let you organize messages in folders.
>
>
>
> At 02:42 AM 04/10/2002 +0300, you wrote:
> >Hi listers.
> >I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
> >following questions.
> >Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> >lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
> >Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
> >delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right
now
> >in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux
is
> >the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
> >messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
> >messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
> >and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something
similar
> >with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
> >Thanks for any help.
> >Regards.
> >Nektarios.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Blinux-list mailing list
> >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>
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Re: pine and filters.

[Gil Andre]

Nektarios,

Yes, Pine can send messages to a different folder automatically.
Please refer to my previous message on this subject.

For instance, I have configured Pine to automatically drop any
message that contains the word "sex" (and every other word that
delas with this subject...) into the folder "trash". This takes
care of a lot of the Spam I receive through my ISP.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:00:55 +0300, Nektarios wrote:
> When you say organizing, will pine send the messages in to different folders
> based on defined rules upon recieving them or do I have to do it manualy?

Please let me know if you'd like more information about this.

Best Regards,

-- 

Gil Andre ___ Technical writer ___ Arkeia Corporation
email: gandre@arkeia.com | web: http://www.arkeia.com

RE: pine and filters.

[Nicolas Pitre]

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> When you say organizing, will pine send the messages in to different folders
> based on defined rules upon recieving them or do I have to do it manualy?

Both are possible.


Nicolas

RE: pine and filters.

[Luke Davis]

The problem with pine, is that it does it all at once.  That means, if the
system is slow, or you get a lot of mil, or both, you better be a coffee
drinker, because you'll be bruing a lot of it while you wait for pine to
sort your mail.


On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> When you say organizing, will pine send the messages in to different folders
> based on defined rules upon recieving them or do I have to do it manualy?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On
> Behalf Of David Csercsics
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:57 AM
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: pine and filters.
>
>
> I don't know about Pine but Mutt does threading very nicely. Both Pine and
> Mutt will let you organize messages in folders.
>
>
>
> At 02:42 AM 04/10/2002 +0300, you wrote:
> >Hi listers.
> >I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
> >following questions.
> >Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> >lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
> >Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
> >delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
> >in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
> >the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
> >messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
> >messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
> >and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
> >with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
> >Thanks for any help.
> >Regards.
> >Nektarios.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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>
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Re: pine and filters.

[Sacha Chua]

"Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@otenet.gr> writes:

> Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?

You can use procmail to move your mail into different folders. Then
you can configure pine to make folder browsing easier. I'm not a pine
user, though. I use Gnus, which is part of Emacs and hence is
Emacspeak-enabled. It's easy to kill threads with Gnus, and in fact
you can do all sorts of fancy scoring so that subjects you're
interested in appear higher on the list of messages, and subjects you don't
really read are listed after them. 

-- 
Sacha Chua <sacha@free.net.ph> - 4 BS CS Ateneo geekette
interests: emacs, gnu/linux, wearables, teaching compsci

Re: pine and filters.

[John]

I used to use PINE for all my mail, and I also used procmail for years.

I'm a bit worried at the thought of procmail delivering to PINE folders while 
PINE is active.

PINE alone is probably good enough for most people. One of its abilities it to 
transfer mail to your "read-mail" folder as you read mail.

On Friday 04 October 2002 10:30, Sacha Chua wrote:
> You can use procmail to move your mail into different folders. Then
> you can configure pine to make folder browsing easier. I'm not a pine
> 

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Re: pine and filters.

[Luke Davis]

I do that all of the time.  Look into file locking (kernel and lockfiles),
if you do not understand why it works without trouble.

Needless to say, large numbers of people have procmail deliver to folders
while pine is active constantly, and have no problems.

Luke


On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, John wrote:

> I used to use PINE for all my mail, and I also used procmail for years.
>
> I'm a bit worried at the thought of procmail delivering to PINE folders while
> PINE is active.
>
> PINE alone is probably good enough for most people. One of its abilities it to
> transfer mail to your "read-mail" folder as you read mail.
>
> On Friday 04 October 2002 10:30, Sacha Chua wrote:
> > You can use procmail to move your mail into different folders. Then
> > you can configure pine to make folder browsing easier. I'm not a pine
> >
>
>

Re: pine and filters.

[John]

On Saturday 05 October 2002 15:55, Luke Davis wrote:
> I do that all of the time.  Look into file locking (kernel and lockfiles),
> if you do not understand why it works without trouble.

I understand those topics. The documentation I've not seen relates to what 
locking conventions PINE follows.

Kernel locks are not necessarily mandatory, and there have been particular 
problems with locking on NFS mounts.

> Needless to say, large numbers of people have procmail deliver to folders
> while pine is active constantly, and have no problems.

True, I've not heard of problems, but the sceptic in me says that means "I've 
not heard of problems," and not that "there are no problems."

Same applies to other client software that uses mbox-style files.

I used to use cucipop too, and had not heard of problems with it. Indeed, I 
used it because my ISP (a large one by WA standards) did. I quit using it 
when I found it was severely broken - it didn't lock the mailbox.



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Re: pine and filters.

[Luke Davis]

I believe I have seen pine following the ".lock" standard which procmail
uses, and I believe it honors kernel locks, since sendmail has no problems
writing to the mail box concurrantly with pine and procmail.

I suggest you ask on:

procmail@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE

(think it's a mailman list, so follow those subscription convensions)

Luke


On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, John wrote:

> On Saturday 05 October 2002 15:55, Luke Davis wrote:
> > I do that all of the time.  Look into file locking (kernel and lockfiles),
> > if you do not understand why it works without trouble.
>
> I understand those topics. The documentation I've not seen relates to what
> locking conventions PINE follows.
>
> Kernel locks are not necessarily mandatory, and there have been particular
> problems with locking on NFS mounts.
>
> > Needless to say, large numbers of people have procmail deliver to folders
> > while pine is active constantly, and have no problems.
>
> True, I've not heard of problems, but the sceptic in me says that means "I've
> not heard of problems," and not that "there are no problems."
>
> Same applies to other client software that uses mbox-style files.
>
> I used to use cucipop too, and had not heard of problems with it. Indeed, I
> used it because my ISP (a large one by WA standards) did. I quit using it
> when I found it was severely broken - it didn't lock the mailbox.
>
>
>
>

Re: pine and filters.

[Gil Andre]

Nektarios,

To create filters in pine, enter the following:

0	[This is the main Pine menu]
1	(S)etup
2	(R)ules
3	(F)ilters
4	(A)dd a filter

Then, in the Pine menu, select a name, the type of filter you'd
like to create (News or Email), and enter the different parameters
that you'd like to apply, including the folder that you 

To create folders in Pine, enter the following:

0	[Main menu]
1	(L)ist of folders
2	(A)dd a folder

Give a name to your folder, etc.

When I entered something between parenthesis (), it means, type
the letter between the parenthesis. Therefore, typing 'la' will
enter the folder list and create a new folder, and so on and so
forth.

Hope this helps!

Best Regards,

-- 

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email: gandre@arkeia.com | web: http://www.arkeia.com

Re: pine and filters.

[Jude DaShiell]

Pine can do filtering, you can also delete threads of messages too.  It's
also possible to have pine put messages into their own list's folders too.

Re: pine and filters.

[Janina Sajka]

You would use procmail to automatically sort your mail as you direct by the rules you supply in procmail "recipie"
files, as they're called in procmail. It's a very powerful agent and works perfectly well, in my experience. In fact,
procmail is the program that actually delivers mail on Red Hat systems by default. In other words, sendmail is used to
send outbound mail, and fetchmail to retrieve mail, and procmail to deliver it to users on the local system.

Pine is a very capable program, and supports things like hyperlinks and opening mime types like .wav files, if you have
the correct mailcap entries. However, it requires too many keystrokes, for my taste, for the task of deleting message
threads. Consequently, I have recently been using mutt, where this can be done with just two keystrokes.

Nektarios Mallas writes:
> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@otenet.gr>
> 
> Hi listers.
> I would like to switch my email completely over to Linux but I have the
> following questions.
> Is it possible with the pine program to create different folders for my
> lists and have pine deliver my messages appropriately?
> Is there any way in pine to view my messages aranged by subject and then
> delete an entire subject if I don't want to read it? For example, right now
> in outlook, I may recieve a thred on a list with the subject line "linux is
> the best, windows is garbage." On this subject there may be let's say 15
> messages. Since I am tired of topics like this, in outlook, if I have my
> messages sorted by conversation I can simply press delete on this subject
> and all 15 messages are gone with a key stroke. Can I do something similar
> with pine? If not, is there any other program that will do this?
> Thanks for any help.
> Regards.
> Nektarios.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
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Re: pine and filters.

[Jude DaShiell]

There used to be info on pine macros.  At least in the early days of pine
I had heard a little about them but never did learn how to make and use
them myself.  Such macros might be a way to cut down on the required
keystrokes.