From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5GFOgRg012869 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:24:42 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id B94B17D4DB; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx02.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B19FA7D4C7 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta02.suddenlink.net (omta02.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.72]) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1AB80C30 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:36 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com EF1AB80C30 Authentication-Results: ext-mx02.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=suddenlink.net Authentication-Results: ext-mx02.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=martin.m@suddenlink.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mx1.redhat.com EF1AB80C30 Received: from localhost ([47.217.105.76]) by dalofep02.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.03.22 201-2389-100-167-20150619) with ESMTP id <20170616152436.LKPX15323.dalofep02.suddenlink.net@localhost> for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:24:36 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56392) by localhost with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dLt6x-0004Y7-ST for blinux-list@redhat.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:24:35 -0500 To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: working with nano In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Linux for blind general discussion message dated "Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:02:50 -0400." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <17489.1497626675.1@localhost> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:24:35 -0500 Message-Id: X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=GIdKKaFK c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=LWSFodeU3zMA:10 a=pG6XCTYA8QXzRHqPDSoA:9 a=xo-s-4NzumwkV50a:21 a=KYgTnkDnv-6rbADQ:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, Sender IP whitelisted by DNSRBL, ACL 203 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:37 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'208.180.40.72' DOMAIN:'omta02.suddenlink.net' HELO:'omta02.suddenlink.net' FROM:'martin.m@suddenlink.net' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 2.989 ** (BAYES_99, BAYES_999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD) 208.180.40.72 omta02.suddenlink.net 208.180.40.72 omta02.suddenlink.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.26 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:42 -0000 This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since since it is so common. Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and finally Linux and I kept using vi. To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time to fix it. I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on the task at hand. Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather than hassling somebody over basically nothing. When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. Martin McCormick