Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit no
matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck of a
lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had to get
a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I cannot
install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I don't
really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an athlon 4
chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux? What
would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can install
without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer and
most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything other
than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a way
to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those and it
seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of people. I
assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating system.
By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too often
and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because I
haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable. So am I
correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at this
point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in college) and
I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The lack
of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure something
out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion and a
cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive. Oh,
almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details about
my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this and not
pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze up
again.

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Rafael]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 07:28:53PM -0800, David Csercsics wrote:
> Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit no
> matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck of a
> lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had to get
> a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I cannot
> install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I don't
> really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some

It's a matter of personal preference. I use Redhat for the longest after I 
installed Slackware in 1994. RH is most widely used in corporate world. At 
home I use Mandrake, one of the best distributions for workstations. 
Debian is also good with it's packaging tools.

> questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an athlon 4
> chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux? What

My partition suggestion, based on experience is the following:

/  150 - 200 MB
/usr 3 - 4 GB
swap 2 times RAM or 512MB
/var 200 MB
/tmp 300 MB
/home the rest of the space.

That way you can save things under /home and reinstall the OS completely 
without wiping out your config. For example, you can 
tar cvfp /home/etc.tar /etc
to save your current /etc

Some people create boot partitions which I believe it's silly. /boot 
doesn't give you anthing while bootable / partition with 
/bin /boot /etc /usr /sbin is a working Linux in case you have problems 
with /home or /var or such. That saved me many times on systems that did 
not have bootable CD or floppy drives.

> would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can install
> without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer and

Many say Suse but I don't have much good to say about it suing other 
distributions mostly. I would prefer Debian over Suse because it has good 
way to update packages over the network.

> most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything other
> than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a way

I wouldn't mind helping you but we are most likely more than 100 miles 
appart. I live in Sunnyvale, CA.

> to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those and it

Yes, there is a way to read word etc. with Star Office. I don't know how 
good Staroffice is for blind users. There are other tools that might be 
useful.

> seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of people. I
> assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating system.
> By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too often
> and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because I
> haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to

Dual boot is the easiest to install with Grub. I replaced lilo from 
default Redhat 7.1 installation with grub this week. The system was Dell 
with 9 GB SCSI drive that needed W2000 and Linux. I split the drive 
partitions so that windows got 4.5 GB and linux the rest. Partitions were 
about the same as mentioned above. Since lilo failed to boot from second 
partitions which fell beyond 1024 cylinders I decided to use grub. Grub is 
very easy to deal with after you  get the grasp of it. You can edit file 
from it's prompt if the system doesn't boot for some reason. Anyway, it 
works as expected. Oh, I used grub rpm package from Redhat 7.2 and it 
worked fine.

Grub resides in /boot/grub with grub.conf file being the configuration
file. You install it with /usr/sbin/grub-install

/usr/sbin/grub-install --root-directory=/boot/grub

> happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable. So am I
> correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any

I believe there is some OCR software and that was discussed on this list 
recently unfortunately I did not pay attention being busy with other 
stuff.

> comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at this

One way you could go around your problems is with VMWARE and install 
windows with it. That way you can roll back if windows crashes. For 
example you can install it under /home/vmware where you dedicate let's say 
2GB for windows. To linux it's just another file. Anyway, windows would be 
able to connect to the network just like it's runing on it's own PC. I use 
it that way to manage Checpoint firewall with no need for dedicated PC.

You could dedicate a VFAT partition to exchange files between Linux and
windows. But then again, you could connect windows over the network
(virtual net) to Linux/Samba and move files back and forth that way.

> point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in college) and
> I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The lack
> of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure something

OCR should work under vmware/windows I believe.

> out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion and a
> cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive. Oh,
> almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details about
> my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this and not
> pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze up
> again.

Don't let the monopoly drive you insane. It did drive me almost insane 
about 2 years ago when I was solo administrator and had to support windog 
besides Unix. Now we have a guy that deals with that terrible thing.

Don't be afraid to send us more questions. Telling a bit more about the 
hardware helps sometimes.

Good luck,

-- 
Rafael

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Rafael]

On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 12:37:15AM -0800, Rafael wrote:
......................
> 
> Many say Suse but I don't have much good to say about it suing other 

Oops. It's supposed to be using, not suing other distributions!

I repeat, I'm not suing any distribution  :-)

Some typos are funny. Something is driving me insane. Time for bed I 
guess.

> distributions mostly. I would prefer Debian over Suse because it has good 
> way to update packages over the network.
> 

-- 
Rafael

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Georgina]

Hi

I'm not too sure but I think that the brltty package will enable you what you need.  I think that they are working on boot up disks etc.  Could one of the brltty team or a more experienced user help?

I'd personally go with Debian.  Now where's that bomb shelter <Grin>
Gena



>On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 12:37:15AM -0800, Rafael wrote:
>......................
>> 
>> Many say Suse but I don't have much good to say about it suing other 
>
>Oops. It's supposed to be using, not suing other distributions!
>
>I repeat, I'm not suing any distribution  :-)
>
>Some typos are funny. Something is driving me insane. Time for bed I 
>guess.
>
>> distributions mostly. I would prefer Debian over Suse because it has good 
>> way to update packages over the network.
>> 
>
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>Rafael
>
>
>
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Janina Sajka]

Without a hardware synth, you don't have a lot of options, though there 
are some. Most notably, you can run emacspeak with the IBM ViaVoice 
software speech engine.

You say you have a Braille Lite 40. You can use that as a speech 
synthesizer over the serial port with speakup, and speakup supports fully 
speech enabled installations of linux. Consult:

	http://www.linux-speakup.org

For advice on partitioning and installation issues, read. You need to 
learn a little before you dive in--unless you're happy to blow away your 
hard drive at any time, which maybe you are. You might want to start with:

	http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

As for your other issues:

OCR support has recently begun to emerge both in emacspeak and speakup.

Word and Excell access is available now. It was discussed at length on 
this list over just the past two days.So, consult the archive and look at 
recent messages here.
 On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:

> Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit no
> matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck of a
> lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had to get
> a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I cannot
> install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I don't
> really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
> questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an athlon 4
> chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux? What
> would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can install
> without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer and
> most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything other
> than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a way
> to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those and it
> seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of people. I
> assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating system.
> By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too often
> and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because I
> haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
> happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable. So am I
> correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
> comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at this
> point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in college) and
> I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The lack
> of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure something
> out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion and a
> cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive. Oh,
> almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details about
> my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this and not
> pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze up
> again.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Blinux-list@redhat.com
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> 

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				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

Yes I suppose you are right I could do that but the trouble is that I can't
use the same serial port for speech and braille through the same device. So
I probably could use speakup to get the thing installed but I'd be stuck
somewhere after I compiled brltty and installed it for my braille display
because you'd have two programs trying to talk to the same device through
the same port so something should conflict in theory. Not to mention that
the braille lite's speech would drive anyone pretty much crazy :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


> Without a hardware synth, you don't have a lot of options, though there
> are some. Most notably, you can run emacspeak with the IBM ViaVoice
> software speech engine.
>
> You say you have a Braille Lite 40. You can use that as a speech
> synthesizer over the serial port with speakup, and speakup supports fully
> speech enabled installations of linux. Consult:
>
> http://www.linux-speakup.org
>
> For advice on partitioning and installation issues, read. You need to
> learn a little before you dive in--unless you're happy to blow away your
> hard drive at any time, which maybe you are. You might want to start with:
>
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
>
> As for your other issues:
>
> OCR support has recently begun to emerge both in emacspeak and speakup.
>
> Word and Excell access is available now. It was discussed at length on
> this list over just the past two days.So, consult the archive and look at
> recent messages here.
>  On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:
>
> > Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit no
> > matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck of
a
> > lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> > trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had to
get
> > a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I
cannot
> > install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I don't
> > really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
> > questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an athlon
4
> > chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux? What
> > would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can
install
> > without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer
and
> > most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything
other
> > than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a
way
> > to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those
and it
> > seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of
people. I
> > assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating
system.
> > By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too
often
> > and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because I
> > haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
> > happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable. So
am I
> > correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
> > comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at
this
> > point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> > project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in college)
and
> > I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> > afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The
lack
> > of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure
something
> > out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion and
a
> > cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive.
Oh,
> > almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details
about
> > my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this and
not
> > pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> > trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze up
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[lobap]

Hi:
Do you have a second computer with speech which you can use as a terminal 
to install Linux and next install and get ready brltty to work with your 
BL40 on the main system? It can be a way to go.

Or you can use BL40 as the speakup synth for your Linux os installation, 
get everything ready with brltty, make speakup silent and activate brltty.

I'm not sure why you got so much trouble with Windows, I'm not a fun of MS 
but can make their products to work for my needs and win98 SE and win2k 
pro work-station versions seems in my case relatively stable.

Thanks, Paweł.
 On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:

> Yes I suppose you are right I could do that but the trouble is that I can't
> use the same serial port for speech and braille through the same device. So
> I probably could use speakup to get the thing installed but I'd be stuck
> somewhere after I compiled brltty and installed it for my braille display
> because you'd have two programs trying to talk to the same device through
> the same port so something should conflict in theory. Not to mention that
> the braille lite's speech would drive anyone pretty much crazy :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice
> 
> 
> > Without a hardware synth, you don't have a lot of options, though there
> > are some. Most notably, you can run emacspeak with the IBM ViaVoice
> > software speech engine.
> >
> > You say you have a Braille Lite 40. You can use that as a speech
> > synthesizer over the serial port with speakup, and speakup supports fully
> > speech enabled installations of linux. Consult:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org
> >
> > For advice on partitioning and installation issues, read. You need to
> > learn a little before you dive in--unless you're happy to blow away your
> > hard drive at any time, which maybe you are. You might want to start with:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
> >
> > As for your other issues:
> >
> > OCR support has recently begun to emerge both in emacspeak and speakup.
> >
> > Word and Excell access is available now. It was discussed at length on
> > this list over just the past two days.So, consult the archive and look at
> > recent messages here.
> >  On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:
> >
> > > Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit no
> > > matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck of
> a
> > > lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> > > trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had to
> get
> > > a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I
> cannot
> > > install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I don't
> > > really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
> > > questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an athlon
> 4
> > > chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux? What
> > > would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can
> install
> > > without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer
> and
> > > most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything
> other
> > > than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a
> way
> > > to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those
> and it
> > > seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of
> people. I
> > > assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating
> system.
> > > By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too
> often
> > > and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because I
> > > haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
> > > happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable. So
> am I
> > > correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
> > > comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at
> this
> > > point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> > > project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in college)
> and
> > > I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> > > afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The
> lack
> > > of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure
> something
> > > out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion and
> a
> > > cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive.
> Oh,
> > > almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details
> about
> > > my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this and
> not
> > > pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> > > trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze up
> > > again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Dave Mielke]

If your BrailleLite is also serving as your speech synthesizer, then it's not
too bad since it needs to be in Speech Box mode anyway. You'll just have a
short "momemnt of silence" between telling SpeakUp to "shut up" (it has a key
sequence for this), and telling BRLTTY to "get going".

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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

I wish I had another box but I'm not that rich yet....its a shame we had to
sell that old 486.
----- Original Message -----
From: <lobap@adaptech.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


Hi:
Do you have a second computer with speech which you can use as a terminal
to install Linux and next install and get ready brltty to work with your
BL40 on the main system? It can be a way to go.

Or you can use BL40 as the speakup synth for your Linux os installation,
get everything ready with brltty, make speakup silent and activate brltty.

I'm not sure why you got so much trouble with Windows, I'm not a fun of MS
but can make their products to work for my needs and win98 SE and win2k
pro work-station versions seems in my case relatively stable.

Thanks, Paweł.
 On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:

> Yes I suppose you are right I could do that but the trouble is that I
can't
> use the same serial port for speech and braille through the same device.
So
> I probably could use speakup to get the thing installed but I'd be stuck
> somewhere after I compiled brltty and installed it for my braille display
> because you'd have two programs trying to talk to the same device through
> the same port so something should conflict in theory. Not to mention that
> the braille lite's speech would drive anyone pretty much crazy :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice
>
>
> > Without a hardware synth, you don't have a lot of options, though there
> > are some. Most notably, you can run emacspeak with the IBM ViaVoice
> > software speech engine.
> >
> > You say you have a Braille Lite 40. You can use that as a speech
> > synthesizer over the serial port with speakup, and speakup supports
fully
> > speech enabled installations of linux. Consult:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org
> >
> > For advice on partitioning and installation issues, read. You need to
> > learn a little before you dive in--unless you're happy to blow away your
> > hard drive at any time, which maybe you are. You might want to start
with:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
> >
> > As for your other issues:
> >
> > OCR support has recently begun to emerge both in emacspeak and speakup.
> >
> > Word and Excell access is available now. It was discussed at length on
> > this list over just the past two days.So, consult the archive and look
at
> > recent messages here.
> >  On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:
> >
> > > Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit
no
> > > matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck
of
> a
> > > lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> > > trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had
to
> get
> > > a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I
> cannot
> > > install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I
don't
> > > really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
> > > questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an
athlon
> 4
> > > chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux?
What
> > > would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can
> install
> > > without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer
> and
> > > most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything
> other
> > > than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a
> way
> > > to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those
> and it
> > > seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of
> people. I
> > > assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating
> system.
> > > By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too
> often
> > > and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because
I
> > > haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
> > > happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable.
So
> am I
> > > correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
> > > comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at
> this
> > > point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> > > project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in
college)
> and
> > > I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> > > afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The
> lack
> > > of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure
> something
> > > out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion
and
> a
> > > cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive.
> Oh,
> > > almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details
> about
> > > my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this
and
> not
> > > pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> > > trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze
up
> > > again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
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> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

Yes that would work I suppose although I don't plan to use the braille lite
as a speech device regularly given that the quality of the speech is less
than desirable so I would prefer not to have to rebuild a kernel but that is
a valid option for sure.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mielke" <dave@mielke.cc>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


> If your BrailleLite is also serving as your speech synthesizer, then it's
not
> too bad since it needs to be in Speech Box mode anyway. You'll just have a
> short "momemnt of silence" between telling SpeakUp to "shut up" (it has a
key
> sequence for this), and telling BRLTTY to "get going".
>
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Dave Mielke]

Depending on what you want, once you have BRLTTY working, you can start it very
early in the boot sequence and no longer rely on speech.

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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Janina Sajka]

Well, it happens that brltty has some speech support on its own.

But, regardless. You decide. Other than ViaVoice with emacspeak, there is 
no software speech in linux access. So forget that. Get a hardware synth, 
or make do.
 On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:

> Yes I suppose you are right I could do that but the trouble is that I can't
> use the same serial port for speech and braille through the same device. So
> I probably could use speakup to get the thing installed but I'd be stuck
> somewhere after I compiled brltty and installed it for my braille display
> because you'd have two programs trying to talk to the same device through
> the same port so something should conflict in theory. Not to mention that
> the braille lite's speech would drive anyone pretty much crazy :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice
> 
> 
> > Without a hardware synth, you don't have a lot of options, though there
> > are some. Most notably, you can run emacspeak with the IBM ViaVoice
> > software speech engine.
> >
> > You say you have a Braille Lite 40. You can use that as a speech
> > synthesizer over the serial port with speakup, and speakup supports fully
> > speech enabled installations of linux. Consult:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org
> >
> > For advice on partitioning and installation issues, read. You need to
> > learn a little before you dive in--unless you're happy to blow away your
> > hard drive at any time, which maybe you are. You might want to start with:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
> >
> > As for your other issues:
> >
> > OCR support has recently begun to emerge both in emacspeak and speakup.
> >
> > Word and Excell access is available now. It was discussed at length on
> > this list over just the past two days.So, consult the archive and look at
> > recent messages here.
> >  On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:
> >
> > > Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit no
> > > matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck of
> a
> > > lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> > > trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had to
> get
> > > a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I
> cannot
> > > install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I don't
> > > really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
> > > questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an athlon
> 4
> > > chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux? What
> > > would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can
> install
> > > without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer
> and
> > > most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything
> other
> > > than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a
> way
> > > to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those
> and it
> > > seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of
> people. I
> > > assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating
> system.
> > > By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too
> often
> > > and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because I
> > > haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
> > > happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable. So
> am I
> > > correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
> > > comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at
> this
> > > point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> > > project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in college)
> and
> > > I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> > > afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The
> lack
> > > of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure
> something
> > > out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion and
> a
> > > cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive.
> Oh,
> > > almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details
> about
> > > my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this and
> not
> > > pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> > > trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze up
> > > again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
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				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Dave Mielke]

[quoted lines by Janina Sajka on January 12, 2002, at 17:06]

>Other than ViaVoice with emacspeak, there is
>no software speech in linux access.

BRLTTY now has support for ViaVoice, and I'm very interested in how to improve
BRLTTY's speech support. I'm not a speech user myself, so, even though I'm
fairly imaginative, thinking about this topic doesn't come naturally to me. I'm
wide open to ideas from those who know what works best with speech. Please make
your thoughts known so that I can benefit from your experience.

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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Janina Sajka]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Dave Mielke wrote:

> BRLTTY now has support for ViaVoice, and I'm very interested in how to improve
> BRLTTY's speech support.

Hmmm, guess I hadn't realized that you were using ViaVoice. Please pardon 
my error. I will definitely try this out. I often use my portable in 
circumstances where it's cumbersome or impossible to also use an external 
hardware synth. I'm quite happy with emacspeak, now that I've learned a 
bit of emacs, but I'd like options for shell access.

Thanks for pointing this out.

				Janina

Re: Using braille: was Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Cheryl Homiak]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Dave Mielke wrote:

> Depending on what you want, once you have BRLTTY working, you can start it very
> early in the boot sequence and no longer rely on speech.

This is very true; I used to use speech solely, as what I had was a
doubletalk-lt. When I started using brltty and subsequently got
cable-modem access to the Internet, I put the doubletalk on ttyS0
and the braillelite on ttyS1. I still have the capability of using speakup
or emacspeak when I want to do so, and I tend to use speech when I have a
longer text file to read. For the most part, though, I use brltty by
itself. I love the way I can move around in an editor or among web links
with brltty and know exactly what I'm doing and where I am. I also very
much enjoy being able to listen to audio with my sound card and not
having to listen to my speech synthesizer at the same time, if I am doing
several things at once (which I usually am). I also was a
bit surprised to discover (though logically I should have realized it) how
much using the speech was sometimes slowing me down; the line I wanted
would be right there on the braillelite when the speech synthesizer was
still blabbing away.
This isn't meant to start a speech vs. braille war. For one thing, braille
displays are expensive and I wouldn't be using one if I didn't have the
equipment due to my job. For another thing, speech and braille both have
their advantages and disadvantages and, there are skills and tricks and
shortcuts one learns in order to make excellent use of either or both. I'm
only
saying that, after having used speech extensively, it was delightful to
discover some of the advantages of using braille. Since i've allways been
an avid braille reader anyway, and will in most cases choose braille if it
is available, my delight in using braille with my computer would come as
no surprise!
				Cheryl

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

Me either I am not much of a speech fan myself either I like to use a
braille display whenever possible as it tends to be more productive I find
which would be why I can't justify getting a hardware synth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mielke" <dave@mielke.cc>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


> [quoted lines by Janina Sajka on January 12, 2002, at 17:06]
>
> >Other than ViaVoice with emacspeak, there is
> >no software speech in linux access.
>
> BRLTTY now has support for ViaVoice, and I'm very interested in how to
improve
> BRLTTY's speech support. I'm not a speech user myself, so, even though I'm
> fairly imaginative, thinking about this topic doesn't come naturally to
me. I'm
> wide open to ideas from those who know what works best with speech. Please
make
> your thoughts known so that I can benefit from your experience.
>
> --
> Dave Mielke           | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is
the
> Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario   | Word of God. Please contact me
> EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada  K2A 1H7   | if you're concerned about
Hell.
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>
>
>
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Roger Butenuth]

Hello!

brass (BRaille And Speech Server) has support for several Braille
terminals and speech synthesizers, including Braille Lite and IBMs
Viavoice.

See: http://www.butenuth.onlinehome.de/blinux/index.html

	Roger

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Well, it happens that brltty has some speech support on its own.
> 
> But, regardless. You decide. Other than ViaVoice with emacspeak, there is 
> no software speech in linux access. So forget that. Get a hardware synth, 
> or make do.
>  On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:
> 
> > Yes I suppose you are right I could do that but the trouble is that I can't
> > use the same serial port for speech and braille through the same device. So
> > I probably could use speakup to get the thing installed but I'd be stuck
> > somewhere after I compiled brltty and installed it for my braille display
> > because you'd have two programs trying to talk to the same device through
> > the same port so something should conflict in theory. Not to mention that
> > the braille lite's speech would drive anyone pretty much crazy :)
[...]

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Angelo Sonnesso]

You can get a terminal program for Braille lite,and use that to get Linux up
and running.

----- Original Message -----
From: <lobap@adaptech.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


Hi:
Do you have a second computer with speech which you can use as a terminal
to install Linux and next install and get ready brltty to work with your
BL40 on the main system? It can be a way to go.

Or you can use BL40 as the speakup synth for your Linux os installation,
get everything ready with brltty, make speakup silent and activate brltty.

I'm not sure why you got so much trouble with Windows, I'm not a fun of MS
but can make their products to work for my needs and win98 SE and win2k
pro work-station versions seems in my case relatively stable.

Thanks, Paweł.
 On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:

> Yes I suppose you are right I could do that but the trouble is that I
can't
> use the same serial port for speech and braille through the same device.
So
> I probably could use speakup to get the thing installed but I'd be stuck
> somewhere after I compiled brltty and installed it for my braille display
> because you'd have two programs trying to talk to the same device through
> the same port so something should conflict in theory. Not to mention that
> the braille lite's speech would drive anyone pretty much crazy :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice
>
>
> > Without a hardware synth, you don't have a lot of options, though there
> > are some. Most notably, you can run emacspeak with the IBM ViaVoice
> > software speech engine.
> >
> > You say you have a Braille Lite 40. You can use that as a speech
> > synthesizer over the serial port with speakup, and speakup supports
fully
> > speech enabled installations of linux. Consult:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org
> >
> > For advice on partitioning and installation issues, read. You need to
> > learn a little before you dive in--unless you're happy to blow away your
> > hard drive at any time, which maybe you are. You might want to start
with:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
> >
> > As for your other issues:
> >
> > OCR support has recently begun to emerge both in emacspeak and speakup.
> >
> > Word and Excell access is available now. It was discussed at length on
> > this list over just the past two days.So, consult the archive and look
at
> > recent messages here.
> >  On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Csercsics wrote:
> >
> > > Ok so I've tried 5 versions of windows all of which crash quite a bit
no
> > > matter how much you mess with them. And dang it I liked linux a heck
of
> a
> > > lot when I was able to use it. I have a set of SuSE cd's here but the
> > > trouble is that suse-blinux no longer detects my braille display (had
to
> get
> > > a new one recently because I needed a portable braille display.) so I
> cannot
> > > install that on this machine. I have a braille lite 40 here now. I
don't
> > > really think it matters to me which linux I decide to use. Got some
> > > questions though. I've got a 45 GB hd sitting in this box with an
athlon
> 4
> > > chip and 768 mb of ram. How should I partition my drive for linux?
What
> > > would be the easiest distro to hack a boot disk for so that I can
> install
> > > without sighted help as I don't trust a lot of people with my computer
> and
> > > most of the people I know would faint if they had to install anything
> other
> > > than windows so it looks like I'll be doing it myself. Also is there a
> way
> > > to read ms word and excel documents under linux? I get a lot of those
> and it
> > > seems saving things as plain text is a foreign concept to a lot of
> people. I
> > > assume that I would have to sacrifice ocr for a reliable operating
> system.
> > > By that I mean that there is ocr for windows but the os crashes too
> often
> > > and I am forever reinstalling but I've treid to put up with it because
I
> > > haven't been able to get a dual boot to work at all. All that seems to
> > > happen when I try to dual boot si windows becomes twice as unstable.
So
> am I
> > > correct that there is no useable ocr for linux? Any
> > > comments/suggestions/advice/whatever would be greatly appreciated at
> this
> > > point as I'm going to slowly go insane and I've got a huge programming
> > > project I've gotta get started on (studying computer science in
college)
> and
> > > I need to use my computer for a lot of other things and I really can't
> > > afford to waste a lot of time and torture myself with instability. The
> lack
> > > of ocr is probably going to hurt but I suppose that I can figure
> something
> > > out. I should also point out taht I have a fast internet connecdtion
and
> a
> > > cd burner and half a dozen different linux iso's sitting on my drive.
> Oh,
> > > almost forgot, I don't have a hardware synth. If you need more details
> about
> > > my setup you can always ask. Thanks for taking the time to read this
and
> not
> > > pressing the delete button already. :) I will quit before I cause more
> > > trouble here and I will go back to insanity for a bit before I freeze
up
> > > again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
>
>
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Janina Sajka]

Wait a minute, you're the guy who asked about software speech. If you 
prefer braille, you're all set. Brltty is your app and will take you 
through the install. Go for it.



-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

Got one small problem...no way of booting linto ilnux with brltty. Debian's
boot disks appear to be relatively simple to hack and since the whole thing
can be ftp'd I shouldn't need to make another coaster (gotta love easy cd
creator.). So I just need to figure out how on earth I'm going to get the
disks hacked. It also doesn't help that my floppy drive will do a quck
format but not a full format. So that isn't too good either as i don't know
if it'll properly write the images. Ack this is messy.... It's worth all the
trouble I think though. I didn't mean to cause any trouble but dang it I
just can't stand the "This program has generated errors. You will need to
restart the program.  Blah blah blah.) IE is particularly bad for that. Just
tryin to get some work done here and I need another OS so if somebody wants
to tell me how I can manage to hack a boot disk so I can boot up then I'm
good. The trouble is that I don't have another box to use as a terminal or i
coudl have rigged something already. I feel kind of helpless here because I
can't even compile brltty without a running system. If I could figure out
why my floppy drive was messed up that would help too. Thansk to all of you
for offering advice and suggestions and things. You can learn a lot from a
list like this. I at least now know what the heck I have to do but I just
have to figure out how to get it done...Thanks a lot though....I will see
what I can figure out here.
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To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


> Wait a minute, you're the guy who asked about software speech. If you
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> through the install. Go for it.
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Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Cheryl Homiak]

I am in the process right now of trying to figure out how to add brltty to
root.bin. It does involve recompiling brltty, however, and then modifying
root.bin, so I think you'd have to be working on a linux system to do it.
If I get this figured out before you or somebody else does, I'll be glad
to share my modified root.bin with you, as I also am using the
braillelite, but as I'm trying to do it in between a job and other things,
better not to wait for me. I'm saving your address, though, and will let
you know if I get this done before you post that you've installed
successfully.

-- 
				Cheryl

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Nicolas Pitre]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> I am in the process right now of trying to figure out how to add brltty to
> root.bin. It does involve recompiling brltty, however, and then modifying
> root.bin, so I think you'd have to be working on a linux system to do it.

Look at the README file within the bootdisks subdirectory inside the BRLTTY 
archive for hints.


Nicolas

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yes, and actually it's possibly a bit easier with debian because debian's
root.bin is already on a separate floppy. Just where the README file says
mv initrid.img initrd.gz
gunzip initrd.gz
mount initrd /mnt -o loop

substitute "root.bin" "root.gz" and "root" and it mounts fine.
The two things I'm stuck on are:
1. I get errors when I try to do "make" instead of "make install"
and
2. it remains to be seen whether this will all then fit on one floppy or
whether something might then have to be removed from root.bin to make
room.
Also,
3. I am hoping that the replacement /sbin/init will work for debian; it
seems that it should.


-- 
				Cheryl

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[Cheryl Homiak]

correction! I see I wrote "initrid.img" should be "initrd.img"

-- 
				Cheryl

Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice

[David Csercsics]

kewl I will let the list know when I get something installed.....if that
shoudl happen :). You've all been very helpful though so thanks a lot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@chartermi.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Had enough with windows....going insane.....need advice


> I am in the process right now of trying to figure out how to add brltty to
> root.bin. It does involve recompiling brltty, however, and then modifying
> root.bin, so I think you'd have to be working on a linux system to do it.
> If I get this figured out before you or somebody else does, I'll be glad
> to share my modified root.bin with you, as I also am using the
> braillelite, but as I'm trying to do it in between a job and other things,
> better not to wait for me. I'm saving your address, though, and will let
> you know if I get this done before you post that you've installed
> successfully.
>
> --
> Cheryl
>
>
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