From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w2113qo2002424 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:03:52 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 984975D6B4; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx09.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 913235D6A3 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com (mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com [17.111.247.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0863D4ACD6 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com by mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P4W00C0009Z9R00@mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com> for blinux-list@redhat.com; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 01:03:48 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1519866228; bh=UfFAQ75ZzpxnDmX5+BZTIwacidky5QZa5DkjDd9aCbE=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=K0PDYmk4Wl9hFkNLIfF6GXEY8bYWTyyFIdj/nLBkDns0sax297ZKQ69SPEyWcjYvs JenPwoZlb382pVesl6yxBMgWG//gUXRRqqIkPHk4t420OWXV3Rha6IP3/fsNxr9Cza EI+XhuPoY3R2b1t2QWvgqHBbfFby9H1MWdLhIVCzjzxCcP9s9Lx2K6kDlj4ZuwDwAV av0s31anDK8xstyfT4FXUULV2WZh5UKcTFq28fcuLr4SAz+LeKXm++Cs8F+kptJWTG tr54++0S07PKm4JS1UCQ/6anQFHw9xFN4om/xetU+GaeTIeghhCxWLjs4OEfPQNdHm HZajd5GONPONw== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P4W00D5X0A7I620@mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com> for blinux-list@redhat.com; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 01:03:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-28_13:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1803010012 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:03:41 -0700 Message-id: References: <24FDDE40-3794-4520-9874-81EB33496800@icloud.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, Sender IP whitelisted by DNSRBL, ACL 207 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 01:03:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 01:03:49 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'17.111.247.48' DOMAIN:'mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com' HELO:'mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com' FROM:'eric.oyen@icloud.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.821 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS) 17.111.247.48 mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com 17.111.247.48 mr26p44im-ztdg08093301.me.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.38 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id w2113qo2002424 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 01:03:52 -0000 that does help. However, given how the man pages are formatted, there are some issues dealing with the highlighted text inside those manages, as well as underlined links. What would appear, visually, to be a single word highlighted and in all caps turns into individual capitalized letters separated by spaces. the underlined text that is highlighted and underlined is even more problematic. I guess I am going to have to read on grep a bit in order to filter those out. -eric On Feb 28, 2018, at 5:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > -eric, > > I honestly do not have any special software or configerations to interact with the Unix console. I have noticed that each person who is having issues with the Mac terminal have in common. Remember Voiceover requires that you use the VoiceOver keys to navigate the VoiceOver cursor. It is similar to the flat review in Linux but uses different keys. You have to hold down the CTRL + CMD keys to move the cursor. In addition to these keys you have to make sure you are interacting with the terminal window. VoiceOver requires that you are "interacting" with windows for VoiceOver to read the contents of that window. To do this you press the Shift key + CTRL + CMD + the down arrow. In terms of the terminal window you would listen for "Shell" and perform the interaction command. From this point you would use the VoiceOver navigation commands to move around the stdout including the man pages. > > To interact with the man pages simply execute the man page you are interested in then use the above commands to read it. Once you have read the currently displayed page you would press the space bar to bring up the next section of the man page. You can tell if there is additional pages not being displayed because at the bottom there will be a : displayed letting you know there are more pages to show. To exit the man pages you would simply type the letter q. I typically will execute this command to have more control of the man docs and can review them later. > $ man grep >> grep.txt > > I am sure you understand what that is doing but in case someone does not it is basically redirecting the stdout from the man command to a file named grep.txt. I then will use vim or cat to read the documentation. Hope this helps > Bryan Duarte | software engineer > > ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student > IGERT Fellow > Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology (APAcT) > Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab) > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona | Affiliate Board Member > National Association of Blind Students | Board Member > Arizona Association of Blind Students | President > Phone: 480-652-3045 > >> On Feb 28, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >> -eric > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list