From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wBFFMDFF016266 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:22:13 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 4F6EC5D737; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4810B5D70A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi1-f177.google.com (mail-oi1-f177.google.com [209.85.167.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 607E881138 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-f177.google.com with SMTP id i6so6936130oia.6 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:22:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gcZFYYwSoT3TFAZ+5VBXYpwXRKqSniqTRGVAcUv60zQ=; b=c5orIWTQ9KOLwkeuX2UbvCalznW3djJXWJ+920ggmGsd1Xtzf2LTBu1/r3lEENgtsu MsitVaQ/ar/w7eT4EhJo5zYJKoer4W3JDhhh3tJj8tNLurA5a20LG09HxubSolv14wsr Xk1npMJqBveKdCr9JkKQKJo5UQutSycdzgVCHDFQsz3ZlwNza2pahna47mME4tqQPRDh gntuHT8pvoPgWa+IjqI+1rBS+fQD4hKJeP3aqTdNjKqCF3SdPz23Kdr5QOlkcOSNWMwx mAgxaHL5/sF5GUpYEveydz71UYNfXn4AxHg4yxqsE9KynUYwc2A1JoNuV1OLMpCkKEWI oOrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gcZFYYwSoT3TFAZ+5VBXYpwXRKqSniqTRGVAcUv60zQ=; b=INTUmCxpSR0M4DK6ZM1pmLCK3cUFM4kpTDwbLcypckuAuc00yIpMcS09bjSY8OJd9d PxoAnRAsQj7n5hA+b8RXVdcZSDBaNSAt1FqRgwvjcRYqtflxP0lzt4VujGoDKvzB+3u3 NglrWDhYnko5tosHNrlSJ0poHogiNns/OtCUgm2UQLDs+VbRrUOUZDZ7Z7rLLxtiqFj9 ySsPTOj6ihCRZUqzbT3GUQu+bAh6kqdJFzxZ+7bJLBAWzMW+FyywJ/uCIDz56Afy631s +VZDtfARluJqWG0t1WyVcNbnhTCWOWGYMVjlzOmJIY9BclL0l37oR1BXysu4egX3+0WO IQaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWapyO4ZwClQ6JWfI6KQkigHYurrEUAPAMIwodouXcgfxVCZd3XJ 8oSTsN+d8CP/1sHKKvBXi0Qrfjb4wf1ZjDVd5jEgsA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/V5bdolDmHuxEsLAzvNa1bVZs0XAhezMjAbUldcEoQzOqYj2cof+wHNUBXd68FiDJ7i3RZWT7yhrf1wUdD+oSI= X-Received: by 2002:aca:ba02:: with SMTP id k2mr1627346oif.177.1544887329407; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6830:2158:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001301d49482$16943ce0$43bcb6a0$@yandex.com> References: <2282C41C-FEE4-4A7A-BFE3-7D97A53306F0@icloud.com> <66D04849-034B-4664-BAC2-7880990BBE73@icloud.com> <001301d49482$16943ce0$43bcb6a0$@yandex.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:08 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie to linux and a question To: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:10 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.167.177' DOMAIN:'mail-oi1-f177.google.com' HELO:'mail-oi1-f177.google.com' FROM:'mewtamer@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.111 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_PASS) 209.85.167.177 mail-oi1-f177.google.com 209.85.167.177 mail-oi1-f177.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.27 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:22:13 -0000 Ubuntu is a Debian Derivative, and while I haven't used it myself for nearly a decade(I switched to vanilla Debian somewhere around 2010 or 2011, and have used Knoppix(another Debian derivative) as my day-to-day OS since late 2012, it is my understanding that Ubuntu often has some of the most divisive customizations in its default setup compared to other distros in the Debian family. That said, I really can't offer much advice on using Orca as I essentially have no experience using it with a full Desktop Environment or with applications other than Firefox, and I keep Orca around solely because, in my opinion at least, Firefox+Orca provides a better blind web experience than any text-mode web browser, which is a real shame considering I can do everything else on a computer from the command line. I'd say give Knoppix a try, but when they stopped releasing a CD version, they also stopped releasing official images that boot into Adriane(Knoppix's blind accessibility suite) by default, and while you only need to change one line of one text file within the .iso to make Adriane the default boot option, the only means I know of for doing this requires mounting the iso, copying the contents to a writable folder, making the edit, and then building a new iso. And while I'm willing to share the iso where I've already done this, its way too large for any practical means of sharing files I know of. And while Knoppix is great as a liveDVD, it does leave quite a bit to be desired when installed to a hard disc. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright Bachelor of Computer Science President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.