From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wBIABw08001727 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 05:11:58 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id E898060C64; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx10.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1E6C60C5C for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com (mail-ot1-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05363123E0B for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id i20so15165084otl.0 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 02:11:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/YqM9aMz2yq1XQ2358GMGaokfK/G9PqBKPMxouOhIxI=; b=ckEdIj6VBnZTq9n8rnEnmoYilaztbVzzaiEr1JfRTVrMWzhu/KqJ3GxCMsttactW6a ynvzYWNEjGyxSN43IMfApQCJ7aBYKFaJuhUPKDT9RHcz+d/ZzZCJwIBOtQ13T8Ddrne1 cpTvQAhq6/nRELx4M6FWnxoBq7VkGv4Rhn59o4gY6GJL/ErJKKUZSwrR68et/Zo2WJLG 22klDg6LAnymDB61xqXarZsm6FyQTlePKC31f3ZUQ9XnVF9vtSqQcT15a2rjW1Wm/ctZ TUlNRkbGhLzU3VvtxRQcyG9M7r/1XwRXYABrOzj0KtfRgWUuzD5FtBl8zTx1NkBJ3ECi 1/XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/YqM9aMz2yq1XQ2358GMGaokfK/G9PqBKPMxouOhIxI=; b=B32qFaUiwH1/yIKwkl/MITbtwaFCUFPf++3dn+STP0Vjs/7dh/28OuCsDPWiux0KXY nUR2P8ar/x4ao2BDXUBWPpQ96xGkabjKUmYfpOP/6+Ry+c6Hw0/qdre5GjzzBD2mmsG4 0nDkaVvTm35N/BthBHKxb/t/kMZuxX3sDUidkGrhWkOeae2MVo1QgAQ4pOPjJZw4M7o6 a+c0CsDgD8kQFGxFuYZ+BWKHux20NEgV6FeWymoi+dFqj+jWlTzXqhH33xbmW7r6P32V S7WLS3Sh/f9/xskajipbJBIQNgGkVn8QYH3ozbPvP2qQSSlibIb27EcjRK0/gqm4/w2N B9AA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYlESsfkZJ2SQCmyDOWnene69N3cwzUmsK8SSws/CVi+R23VAQy wbFXD3Ezry4GnQLV3LhJaLOSVADbWj2cqP4v0/x4Xw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UpO8lhmNJToXf/AfibLc5O0PwXMT4vpOt+DNx/rs5Vw+h13gQfDe1vzzSAtLGe5VOZaQF6d4nReHX+tjae4+I= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4546:: with SMTP id p6mr11943485oti.24.1545127907817; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 02:11:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6830:2158:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 02:11:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7778669D-A783-4795-BF2F-52B42CC5DF90@pipkrokodil.se> References: <2282C41C-FEE4-4A7A-BFE3-7D97A53306F0@icloud.com> <66D04849-034B-4664-BAC2-7880990BBE73@icloud.com> <001301d49482$16943ce0$43bcb6a0$@yandex.com> <35877387-093D-412D-82BE-591E89A206D7@icloud.com> <7778669D-A783-4795-BF2F-52B42CC5DF90@pipkrokodil.se> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:46 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie to linux and a question To: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:49 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.210.43' DOMAIN:'mail-ot1-f43.google.com' HELO:'mail-ot1-f43.google.com' FROM:'mewtamer@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.11 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS) 209.85.210.43 mail-ot1-f43.google.com 209.85.210.43 mail-ot1-f43.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.39 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:11:59 -0000 Don't worry, this list has everything from people dipping their toes in Linux for the first time to veterans who remember when GUIs were the new fad, and I'd estimate the majority of the list's activity is asking for blind-friendly ways of accomplishing a task or getting braille and/or speech up and running. I've only really used Orca with Firefox(even before going blind six years ago, I was on a trend towards doing more-and-more from the command-line anyways), but the impression I get is that GTK applications are kinda hit-and-miss and that QT applications are completely non-Accessible(though, I get the impression the former has more to due with UI developers having a tendency to make mouse driven interfaces while keyboard controls are treated as an afterthought, moreso than the status of assistive technology, while the latter is due to QT simply not having the mature accessibility layer GTK does). Of course, most text mode applications are accessibile thanks to being mostly what text-to-speech is best at working with, though admittedly, some ncurses-based applications don't always put text where it is easily read or make use of non-language characters and text layouts that don't parse well. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright Bachelor of Computer Science President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.