From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5NCVcUE014656 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 08:31:38 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 6E3CB6C522; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx01.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68A7A6C51C for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg0-f50.google.com (mail-pg0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0AFF7F416 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:35 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com C0AFF7F416 Authentication-Results: ext-mx01.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: ext-mx01.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=mewtamer@gmail.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mx1.redhat.com C0AFF7F416 Authentication-Results: mx1.redhat.com; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="QVpRIsjQ" Received: by mail-pg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 132so20618785pgb.2 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:31:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HKduJAb/RWQIIZlmYQbk9LPL9Pu1Gpl4qHlrxXKtaPo=; b=QVpRIsjQoQpYvBDy2hc6nhdsC7HbebhWyGk1UuG/pd00mcg3SlIHPmH8Wi3I4ZNmyW 1ZwR4uwzZU3Nnr+ETWc91P0S0XnDMG4XLUAR+28aUPz8dsbbaSiXp4Mu6vd+cEWv2qYq 01+J4AVwB0B8yDhf98H4Q8MxvuZurEQQM1Hbuo1ynDBHvc19y7Nw/1kWbBvC8BJcMTd3 renekMm3KOQzYFrIdVzXj6I9KdDAxtYs4jgVBB0J3h/dg6XuyDzjrP8E6i4PNvf5w7w2 mh19UpvYL2MCfNGbtF+Wul7JuPCy9cB9VSjwgC54Scos9kIqvru/IyqaiSCC1A8QC9Xw tc5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HKduJAb/RWQIIZlmYQbk9LPL9Pu1Gpl4qHlrxXKtaPo=; b=B8job2LN1flljpR1UY64LQIL6eOHcQ62poBrou2fGJRCJ5XvGkE/qbRsTAZlqU19CZ 3pGfIWUcU4xchLKvp38PNGvTFB3C/6EfDRy4MO5nMit/XgomnvluT85rFgqKWsfoJ27l nDZhYMH0thOik7rhUnf0oidUJtwxmIpmiAEZDD82VpEbAgh7nGaBk8FTVrSydXVFYmFV ECQ0vczBiQMU4rLrWNHbq5icthbY7r7p8dactbrcQEddRX3mvbdKMJ+UO1rXXE9tzbcM 1I+xM31xbnDkQj9nJ+6acIjG8p//XYuqN4kONes9xKoOXwdOhQ5DDQp3jVrWTiAtPJPy 3iwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOx6xquS28VvqM81vxsyt8dvZoK+qA3DtArSt6LcVT+basWqMx+5 37Y3G08zGOs+2Qzz5vaubJrf9n6OGg== X-Received: by 10.101.86.11 with SMTP id l11mr7673622pgs.202.1498221095124; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:31:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.192.6 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:31:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: text browsers and current web standards To: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:35 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'74.125.83.50' DOMAIN:'mail-pg0-f50.google.com' HELO:'mail-pg0-f50.google.com' FROM:'mewtamer@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0.97 (BAYES_60, DCC_REPUT_00_12, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS) 74.125.83.50 mail-pg0-f50.google.com 74.125.83.50 mail-pg0-f50.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.25 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:31:38 -0000 As much as I think every web "standard" aside from vanilla HTML should be avoided unless absolutely necessary(and even then, why use HTML if plain text can get the job done?), I agree it's a necessary evil to have the means of dealing with pages made by those who put eye candy and fancy layouts before content and ease of use(seriously, some websites make me wonder if whoever designed the UI even knows what a keyboard is). I mean, in web terms, JavaScript is as old as dirt, yet as far as I know, there is no text mode browser with even partial javascript support, and while I have NoScript in my Firefox to block all that JavaScript that likes to trip up Orca, some sites are completely unusable without the monstrosity. Anyways, as Aptitude isn't getting any hit for clifox even after adding contrib and non-free to my sources.list, mind providing a link to more information or perhaps a link to download a development build? I suspect a hypothetical modern text browser with it's own backend would be much smaller, but being able to use Firefox from the terminal and get rid of Orca and what of my xserver Firefox doesn't force me to install would definitely be a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle.