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To: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Fri, 23 Jun 2017 02:24:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Fri, 23 Jun 2017 02:24:08 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'74.125.83.46' DOMAIN:'mail-pg0-f46.google.com' HELO:'mail-pg0-f46.google.com' FROM:'mewtamer@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0.27 (BAYES_50, DCC_REPUT_00_12, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS) 74.125.83.46 mail-pg0-f46.google.com 74.125.83.46 mail-pg0-f46.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.26 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 02:24:11 -0000 Considering how hit or miss websites are when it comes to ease of blind use even in a browser as mainstream and feature rich(arguably to the point of excess) as Firefox, I'm inclined to believe most webmasters have made no effort to ensure accessibility and that when a website is fully accessible, it's as often by accident as by design. I doubt the average creator of webpages even knows that browsers like elinks and lynx even exist or even takes the time to ensure there pages load as intended in mainstream graphical browsers other than the one they use themselves. That said, from what I've tried, I'd have to say currently available console web browsers leave much to be desired, with even sites that have never given me problems in Firefox sometimes being unusable in text-mode browsers assuming I can even figure out how to point the text-mode browser at a given URl. It's a real shame that even the best text browsers seem so limited compared to their graphical cousins, especially since Firefox is the only reason I ever launch an Xsession. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle.