From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1RJWV9W026660 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:32:31 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id B1AFC60C82; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB3BA60BE6 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com (mail-oi0-f41.google.com [209.85.218.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDEF125D48 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j81so11825584oia.0 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:32:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=O2g5WDn31Rq/r5DEix2AvKYyUGMXC+Fut8wuH9apcZc=; b=JDffcBXfJgBU8TtvvldB8slAjMGKQbJ+sP7cMMSGZxH9ClmxZ/QTW6r701TtQD/PP7 k2sUE3TdigbABZHCBcdBc1tJ1Qv7t8j5zDdi4910DFyvis6roMrkABMWpOc2Qmz58Ia7 p3t2by0Q41apOS7YbNO4/Nshkh+tN35138uG0kQs4PfzTKzwosM9d5ye5MYSQQqeo+o0 HtFCg1/Z+IU1rnBRwFm0AAgTYz9iHBkevdjIH/V8lImIuhsAABIceTRQQTwr9oFpA80W Hepow8tZLGzCa0FN0TYsR3q7u/zcPPOD67f59UnM91GDT8dz33oEZv1WB+cOajs4NGD5 RSpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=O2g5WDn31Rq/r5DEix2AvKYyUGMXC+Fut8wuH9apcZc=; b=dRHlCTFcVNbiNDbAs2wko5jA1XlkVyI8+GxJH74zcqZ/Iv8fFFG1HN0gAM5ldBwglT WUn7Clkgd5+VPuOhBkSshq1nzrIRHGNfCFsfcYDpB3ZpHDb0x7TB370EQJGYczOW+zU0 Ir+TSaCZCkyZEnx/nLfeXav+1RctsEYyQGdI4PsYt1P4HiIWmkNGWFaWShYlNR88MN8E lZayngcl/gSxkoZ/Z+Ir/Opc5xXY/kHdxBnbKvDpJYeBVqEP6z9F2qVj5qR31nl0WZFo l/19S1XRFW5NaajQc8+4UCeHszsNJbwgn8ezbOYvwUkTLx+Inap5jLxVBMJs5Nakpisg CDFg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDI3Y0y/v7rEhI4OO8E9ZLW4o0ZDWJIe0Y+0xqLmP1P4woHIHic Fer3XLKL+H3cLt5RrupP9PKeohpjTcs03k54MU37Ig== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtGhpMAmQKyM1puB0s70LTETlpzsUBQMWOWxxp6Y0AphIAPefMsQM5KtzXT28+1X1zx8pe7ZK/3gMdZWwlUP0I= X-Received: by 10.202.49.149 with SMTP id x143mr9242211oix.283.1519759946721; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:32:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.8.245 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:32:06 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EtJD8c2J1vGVfzHqASQRpoIv3Xg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin To: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.218.41' DOMAIN:'mail-oi0-f41.google.com' HELO:'mail-oi0-f41.google.com' FROM:'kathryn.a.k.taylor@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.129 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS) 209.85.218.41 mail-oi0-f41.google.com 209.85.218.41 mail-oi0-f41.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.27 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:32:31 -0000 Thanks, Harmony and Bryan, for the quick replies. You guys are definitely making me want to try my Mac in my work environment as it sounds like I might have better luck with more things. My Linux servers are a mixture of Redhat Enterprise Linux, CentOS, or Ubuntu. Some ancient Debian. Some of them are servers for running tools and databases and some of them are for silicon engineers (ASIC and FGPA), software engineers, or electrical engineers who are running a lot of varying tools, both command line or gui based. Putty works great but it does not do X-Windows, hence why I have Cygwin or why I use VNC to get to GNOME or KDE to be able to run gui based tools. That is the biggest weakness that I can see with these screen readers. They understand the Linux command line through ssh terminals but it's the more graphical guis that they struggle with. Interesting your experience with ORCA, Bryan. As to the remote Windows systems, I didn't realize that NVDA has NVDA Remote. Thanks, Harmony, I will check that out. Kathy On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Linux for blind general discussion < blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Hello Kathy, > > I will admittedly confess that I too have asked these same types of > questions recently on this list. I understand there are a lot of Linux > users who rely on assistive technology to interact with their system but > for me Orca was not working as expected. I am a PhD research student and I > do a lot with embedded systems, several different programming languages, > and shell commands. I recently was required to use Ubuntu 16.04 to develop, > run, and test a program. I went out and purchased a new HP laptop to > install Ubuntu on but once I did I ran into a lot of technical difficulties > when using Orca. There were some things Orca was not reading, other things > where Orca would stop talking, and still other things which I was unable to > determine if Orca was the problem. As a result I simply spun up an AWS > instance running Ubuntu 16.04 and I use my Mac terminal to ssh into my > Ubuntu box. I was able to develop, run and test my software with no problem > at all. I will also admit that I do not use Wind > ows much at all if I can help it but if necessary I will use it for a > given task. > > Here is my opinion and it is only my opinion I am sure others here can > provide a very different opinion. I use Mac due to its high quality screen > reader, easy to use interface, and access to Unix terminal. I would love to > say I use Linux because I do but at this current moment I only use it on > the cloud virtually. Maybe that is the same thing in retrospect. I can use > all three operating systems with different screen readers because I want to > make sure I am versatile and able to use whatever is necessary for me to > solve the problem at hand. Since you have done your job for 20 years or so > you know best what you will require to continue performing that job. I can > say that everything you described can be done using a Mac with built in > tools. Hope this helps. > > > Bryan Duarte | software engineer > > ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student > IGERT Fellow > Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology (APAcT) > Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab) > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona | Affiliate Board Member > National Association of Blind Students | Board Member > Arizona Association of Blind Students | President > Phone: 480-652-3045 > > > On Feb 27, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Linux for blind general discussion < > blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > Kathy > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >