From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1SG7NNx019776 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:07:23 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 82CD46031B; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx05.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.29]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78AF919E6A for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-f179.google.com (mail-ot0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B1522F86EC for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-f179.google.com with SMTP id h8so2686396oti.6 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=A8khpTlPinYkgXZBe5O7X/EVC3oiXswW4btI5xc8jm8=; b=lccNaNbU3uZwxxoLJ5VBmtLSDM0nwOxSRk4IQQwLEM8DlKGJyNEuIBCAJRpsc41/ZU CsGcRs5DCsL8kAJCprgNw/ecgQkO7QKp48HkCijmRtYrFm6LzcsTQ8SdPVSL15fzYY7F J+LvV51IWQowzJG2p4ByxLWRdHJNRjbtj6B506x7GcAFQpo6/8Dj13EWJOErCxJPfdio SMf3baD3ywtF8JJ6ejTNSwviidlwDedtnbR/fsrpwdq5z6lmI4RT+oLjlhnVJ3cxnBFG BhbLj79qkytfLfgDM/wtNXBZTslEffXLzr9UxlYLIH1pQXK93evDvHYLsfuUjL1BQaLK krNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=A8khpTlPinYkgXZBe5O7X/EVC3oiXswW4btI5xc8jm8=; b=NXnKWYPOdk0jv9nL1FKqfUm5SzR1emIZh4p6yhxfBJKmKR9JFLDCUp2qR9HsHQnrU+ UeiA2PC9TCXOup8QcrZCTnjvFMwMwEeUjroYfjF7Q+bH4tk9Bzpc1BFAcTXhTLYopBUS 66ovfNFlokv7kmxotDTxGW+22SLY4+ujhMJ9KI+ltkXcKgFNTp1mSBdWdQr0l2UW8UjI 47Lxfjb+m9187AkhE9Y2BQQLAT57/pR+E2bVCOsIaSxR19Lg4kHzO2x0qRFbrvJWJED8 B6UUlz2Owcf8pHE7rR5oRQlUgDJf54eAx9RVNNP2iXWbQdTMkTyUCLs4Tf1ui61p96wn fFGg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAm/BUrwIGA11GJ1PkKl0TMGALNcnI22E91c3ZN8tiZQYrp2Bdz pCNHKkDT4Mcchg8TN8ARjqdds9d/7kk49FMbxmatsA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELv/V0AQ3y4oLxrKduTeyAX6iB0AVYzhMe3f3LXXK8DNAWU4sfoEMsJYHReaNyNi/VPWsdqj7yQCm33UIr6kH4U= X-Received: by 10.157.5.36 with SMTP id 33mr13788477otw.81.1519834036552; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.8.245 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180228085238.GG25455@v.cs-x.de> References: <20180228085238.GG25455@v.cs-x.de> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:06:56 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mt_CXll-WBKQT7vQH7gl_JGVZbY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin To: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.29]); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.29]); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'74.125.82.179' DOMAIN:'mail-ot0-f179.google.com' HELO:'mail-ot0-f179.google.com' FROM:'kathryn.a.k.taylor@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.11 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_PASS) 74.125.82.179 mail-ot0-f179.google.com 74.125.82.179 mail-ot0-f179.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.29 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:07:23 -0000 This is really helpful, Schoepp, thanks. And thanks to everyone else who replied since yesterday. Catching up on all your posts. This is giving me a lot of ideas to try. :) Kathy > > I had the same idea a few years ago and thought that a Mac would be the > best solution for my needs. A Mac has a modern and easy to use > graphical interface and has also all things which are needed if you have > to work in a textbased terminal. I am also a linux admin since 15 years > and for my work I have to use a terminal most of the time, but sometimes > a modern browser or other tools are needed that are running in graphical > mode. > > After using a Mac for a few weeks at work I was very disappointed. > Especialy the VoiceOver support in the terminal is not more then > rudimentary compared to the things you can do with a screenreader on a > linux system. Because of this I switched back to a linuxbased system and > I am using Debian on a laptop now with brltty and espeak in the > textbased environment and orca in Mate. > > But I am still interested how people are able to work in the Mac > terminal with VoiceOver successfully and productively. Are there any > settings for the Mac terminal that make VoiceOver support better or dou > you use another screenreader for the Mac terminal and not VoiceOver? > How ofthen do you work in the Mac terminal, are you also working > remotely on other systems via ssh and which tools are you using? Do you > use the latest Mac OS version or which system is running on your Mac? > Do you use also a brailledisplay on the Mac and in the terminal? > > Cheers and all the best from Munich, > > Schoepp > > > -- > Christian Schoepplein - - > http://schoeppi.net > >