From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1RItdUG018605 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:55:39 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 25ED317576; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx06.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 160E55C8B9 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CDB5356CD for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id j79so13653574oib.12 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bTKgpzrZEhFnGz1x3/XGkxgLNnPuUCfQEfRlGraU5BE=; b=ZGywgl1NXCOEgzAAjShserivHdHdnpbinh3sXYXGQ9+cV33QyJ7eFxE6JR7Par4Fwj 3tpiSk7xHXSUnX8h2VMmrAsSgKqdvf8tjq9bPdPl93OtFsda/lrZp6XOmJbuEkZM9DGf Ic+YFS6+ElXk7UpvNpJK06gqaSnObCDhC9VqLZVVd7iQBILMN3Ja5RuhhsGHRVK+lFlS u7RxxpEAooYbFUWqA7IAd2wGlSooWazKITFjMKMBbOgsC2w6SXJ82SVYCckMFb5tH1bY TTOqML/JUXHKQCl0x8vJaFFQZD3nIFeV6W/lbyGzTJDMviRU6dTLlaF8UKj7PecZ9Wmb aFZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=bTKgpzrZEhFnGz1x3/XGkxgLNnPuUCfQEfRlGraU5BE=; b=YUV74s3n5SYjF8AVAPTlXtA4bdBtjXWUKdcl1FP90NAVLuYJCqOswyJ9GDB7glhVuu jYE6yxsf5sm9OpFV5ooPq8hyDhjKqUkeXA++m8bwctvxqSkL9CeYFmkVWgOw1qYo6b2c HSg72ly47BhtWpt7Ko3Xy0pQR8A7Mrr7jszIV7+rcptRX+g5+GLOWP6XiwaT6u9SqT2T sfXCB7YOA2vqT7lSNXNe83wyAsfEBsb6v8u3U1uZ8qwzfJmuAjGFw6OQKWHRdZHM1Z+e AzwmYf91KhUBN+AtzsLqG+r10AsCnCJuT4DUaQfGpfBTnz3ZsZ91zZ5EyOzO198+7FBp B8VA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPADmwfrRHmcq4thXwM8tpdbXnOmVTwAIqf+LsU0ykritN4LdZP9 qCu9hvrJcGSer9QPPyBIX2CdCnupyyfMJfpjVhI0vg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsgWRhpaaVAYuIqU7wL0zhDyNMP9c4R7jpunYTEorRXOKdLqjL+55F84YooDBL+jgLzOiedcTbzFpfJMuoQ6PU= X-Received: by 10.202.15.21 with SMTP id 21mr10009290oip.216.1519757734359; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.8.245 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:13 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cO4-oXiQ2hjPNV3Olro9t5bPI4s Message-ID: Subject: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin To: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]); Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]); Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.218.48' DOMAIN:'mail-oi0-f48.google.com' HELO:'mail-oi0-f48.google.com' FROM:'kathryn.a.k.taylor@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.11 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_PASS) 209.85.218.48 mail-oi0-f48.google.com 209.85.218.48 mail-oi0-f48.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.30 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:55:39 -0000 Hi everyone -- I just joined this list and I am a Linux sysadmin who has been in IT for over 20 years and my sight now is pretty close to nothing. I am down to about 5 degrees of vision and going to nothing at some point, so am starting to look at screen readers to get used to them before everything goes dark. I'm looking to see what other Linux users use and what works best. I have a somewhat complicated desktop because I work in an engineering environment that has a lot of engineering tools based on java and X-Windows. Some of the other tools are web based, which makes it easier. I support a lot of varying tools and servers, both Linux and Windows. I switched back from Linux to Windows as my base desktop for the accessibility functions. I have cygwin installed so I can ssh to my servers. I also use VNC Viewer so I can get to a VNC session on my servers in a gui and I also use RDP to get to my Windows servers. I have decided that I loathe JAWS in the short time that I have tried it but admittedly I have not used it for very long. I so far like NVDA much better and find it much more simple to learn. I also use a Mac at home so have toyed with Voiceover. I'm beginning to think that one screen reader is not going to do it all for me. And that I just need to get used to one of them to start. NVDA can read and understand a cygwin window, which is great. It has zero idea what is inside a VNC viewer session. I haven't yet tried it on an RDP session with Windows. I know ORCA is available as well on Linux. What do you all use? Any advice? I'm wondering if I would be better off with a Mac as my base operating system since I've heard Voiceover handles Java apps better. Thanks for the advice! Kathy