From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wAJKSSA7026483 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:28:28 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id AC4E084F9; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx12.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.41]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A334960C67 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it1-f172.google.com (mail-it1-f172.google.com [209.85.166.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73AF03154870 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it1-f172.google.com with SMTP id i7so56998iti.2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:28:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lbv4KR1Q7iiMHtyYYlQUsROBwrf4cTqqe4RbwFray00=; b=PxWPY+aDd/+ge30AQZ7DsQ6R0BhHsJ2KiXz/2Cq1Dru6iFitO4BvzuAxauGG/1jFMv D1Qj5UHy44E2kc6J67O27tQRGjx4IklTsDp/akXG7xERJDe6R4bWwMKsYJtc+Nl3OxKm 3ObbjjGpdk/ZUkYUlLdlAt5Jlyi92agpm8Ro9JpswoUK8e72eJUOccZjaVYgpwgx0yFk +G3keHkUE609gjsZAwg71LXAeNA/UV2h+Z2KAS5l2402bwIQsDkj9jiOGIuFtX30raPC LvXIa2cemiEB6gjpmjMh10AUkNIP0v+WmNLbT4J17SqRuHVfbJcS2RSJ488wbw3DMPpu NS8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lbv4KR1Q7iiMHtyYYlQUsROBwrf4cTqqe4RbwFray00=; b=bPZ3kyAR9nQw0+cdsY89dbJCCb7oN6iypNTKTHiMfXARGY+9GysbIT9RYu1FKN9Jzo n+iPy4+Ftv4fFKQv0IIzZYOmnmx2FnpxJrUAy/1YwlFMbwpUUHtGdYjmwKjQ7+Dirp8F 3gj5QKG2L5JsH1DUgiggtk9KKsLT9ExTzlhaaoBa7Dd3N7Q/aQA6M/jIxreCo+4Pkwt5 vcqUHEWIaWF1aWJEuJzYDHte2PYQCpsf7TnbsUwGTe6502Qyg8QVMhgWEkksYVsj661B Wp2U4JWEsNJbdcGdWPY4QeYguRjpcHuvMzIrswDsOck8Iyu4NM8dSNTH6hPN/8LBKtLx oZlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJUYfB8quOL8DnD2BHSqLs9jQdb8vQoiQxZzOIiUfizsiLJyk+3 aFYDKp/dUzo2j2KW0fk+XKBhZa0v+Et2W7jquvC6CA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dn28zH1KzkIF7GttOiy7cImQkFG1JPiTephRG/UFPif2C6To6KrMnH0gtkoslBc0d56d7X3YZ8HsNvofOLqzc= X-Received: by 2002:a02:7696:: with SMTP id z144mr19432767jab.102.1542659304588; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:28:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:a90e:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:28:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9996e7f8-2882-0ed0-e6e0-18a0cd96fb57@linux-a11y.org> References: <20181119170151.Horde.JqbST3lETIe-QJrHTikouw1@webmail.df.eu> <9996e7f8-2882-0ed0-e6e0-18a0cd96fb57@linux-a11y.org> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Other accessible terminal emulation To: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.41]); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.41]); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:25 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.166.172' DOMAIN:'mail-it1-f172.google.com' HELO:'mail-it1-f172.google.com' FROM:'hurstseth405@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0.14 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS) 209.85.166.172 mail-it1-f172.google.com 209.85.166.172 mail-it1-f172.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.110.41 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id wAJKSSA7026483 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:28 -0000 xterm doesn't speak but with fenrir it can? Would you be willing to make a recording of this in action? On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Howdy, > >> Also, previous messages in this thread would suggest it works just as >> well in a Terminal Emulator as from the terminal itse > yea exactly. Fenrir provides "drivers" to provide different backends > (speech, braille (WIP), input, sound, remote and screen) > currently i implement 2 different screen drivers. > 1. vcsaDriver: uses /dev/vcsa[1-x] as information source to provide > information on the screen. this just works for real TTY terminal with an > existing VCSA device > 2. ptyDriver: uses pty, fork, and pyte to stand as "man in the middle" > (like yasr did but in a lot more advanced state). so it spawns an > terminal and  captures any input you did and watches to the output of > its child process, processing it and pass it through. > i suggest to use XTERM or another inaccessible terminal emulator to my > users, because they don't conflict with orca at all (input (shortcuts) > and output). > >> built-in support for Unicode(arguably of limited use for > fenrir provides Unicode support as well for any language form just the > beginning (on VCSA and PTY). > >> No idea why Fenrir is named after the Wolf from Norse mythology, > hehe because i m a rebel ;). Just kidding. the naming was strom_dragons > idea ;). > > sadly i m not a good software deployer, so i just provide packages for > ArchLinux (since i use it). I also see some debian packages ( i never > tested or tried them, currenlty). > But fenrir runs also without any installation just from git, (the > dependencies are needed of course). > so if anyone is good in deploying software for different distros with > setup.py or similar, just tell me :). > > cheers chrys > > Am 19.11.18 um 18:30 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion: >> Fenrir is a text-mode, userspace screen reader written in Python. I >> haven't used it myself, but its gaining popularity as an alternative >> to espeakup. The two biggest pros I've heard is that, as a user space >> application, it doesn't require a kernel module(espeakup requires the >> speakup kernel module) and should thus be easier to setup on distros >> that don't ship staging modules in their default kernels(speakup has >> been trapped in staging for years and has little chance of graduating >> to kernel main short of a complete rewrite as I understand it) and >> built-in support for Unicode(arguably of limited use for >> English-speaking users, but could be vital to those whose native >> language uses a non-Latin Alphabet). >> >> Also, previous messages in this thread would suggest it works just as >> well in a Terminal Emulator as from the terminal itself, which I don't >> believe I've heard suggest of espeakup or SBL, the latter which I use >> for terminal speech myself(I only run X for Firefox, so I can't >> comment on the question of Terminal Emulators). >> >> No idea why Fenrir is named after the Wolf from Norse mythology, >> especially since its traditional to name screen readers after marine >> animals and this is the only screen reader I know of with a non-marine >> animal-based name. >> >> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion >> wrote: >>> What is fenrir? >>> >>> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion >>> wrote: >>>> Howdy, >>>> >>>> gnome-terminal works as well. >>>> >>>> you also can use fenrir to make an terminal emulator accessible by >>>> starting it with: >>>> fenrir -e (for using escape sequence shortcuts) >>>> sudo fenrir -E (using evdev, can only run once) >>>> >>>> cheers chrys >>>> Zitat von Linux for blind general discussion : >>>> >>>>> Is there any other accessible terminal emulators besides using mate >>>>> terminal in a window manager? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list