From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx07.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.22]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wAJLb05l005857 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:37:00 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 04639104C53F; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx09.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEFC6104C529 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (smtprelay01.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46DE4A405D for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [95.90.218.45] (helo=[192.168.178.20]) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gOrDt-0007Ld-ET for blinux-list@redhat.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:36:49 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:36:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Other accessible terminal emulation Message-Id: References: <20181119170151.Horde.JqbST3lETIe-QJrHTikouw1@webmail.df.eu> <9996e7f8-2882-0ed0-e6e0-18a0cd96fb57@linux-a11y.org> In-Reply-To: To: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, Sender IP whitelisted by DNSRBL, ACL 216 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:36:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:36:53 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'80.67.31.35' DOMAIN:'smtprelay01.ispgateway.de' HELO:'smtprelay01.ispgateway.de' FROM:'chrys@linux-a11y.org' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.697 (HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS) 80.67.31.35 smtprelay01.ispgateway.de 80.67.31.35 smtprelay01.ispgateway.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.38 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.22 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:37:00 -0000 Howdy, > xterm doesn't speak but with fenrir it can? Would you be willing to > make a recording of this in action? Hmm? I could do this but what should be the result you wish? It will just so= und like your TTS system, reading your shell and command line applications. S= o the same like in TTY. In fact it walks the same codepaths but collecting t= he data is done different. If you want to try and need help you may want to take a look at our IRC=20 network: irc.linux-a11y.org room: #a11y Its more easy do support in realtime instead of long mailing ping pong :) Cheers Chrys > Am 19.11.2018 um 21:28 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion : >=20 > xterm doesn't speak but with fenrir it can? Would you be willing to > make a recording of this in action? >=20 >> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion w= rote: >> Howdy, >>=20 >>> Also, previous messages in this thread would suggest it works just as >>> well in a Terminal Emulator as from the terminal itse >> yea exactly. Fenrir provides "drivers" to provide different backends >> (speech, braille (WIP), input, sound, remote and screen) >> currently i implement 2 different screen drivers. >> 1. vcsaDriver: uses /dev/vcsa[1-x] as information source to provide >> information on the screen. this just works for real TTY terminal with an >> existing VCSA device >> 2. ptyDriver: uses pty, fork, and pyte to stand as "man in the middle" >> (like yasr did but in a lot more advanced state). so it spawns an >> terminal and captures any input you did and watches to the output of >> its child process, processing it and pass it through. >> i suggest to use XTERM or another inaccessible terminal emulator to my >> users, because they don't conflict with orca at all (input (shortcuts) >> and output). >>=20 >>> built-in support for Unicode(arguably of limited use for >> fenrir provides Unicode support as well for any language form just the >> beginning (on VCSA and PTY). >>=20 >>> No idea why Fenrir is named after the Wolf from Norse mythology, >> hehe because i m a rebel ;). Just kidding. the naming was strom_dragons >> idea ;). >>=20 >> sadly i m not a good software deployer, so i just provide packages for >> ArchLinux (since i use it). I also see some debian packages ( i never >> tested or tried them, currenlty). >> But fenrir runs also without any installation just from git, (the >> dependencies are needed of course). >> so if anyone is good in deploying software for different distros with >> setup.py or similar, just tell me :). >>=20 >> cheers chrys >>=20 >>> Am 19.11.18 um 18:30 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion: >>> Fenrir is a text-mode, userspace screen reader written in Python. I >>> haven't used it myself, but its gaining popularity as an alternative >>> to espeakup. The two biggest pros I've heard is that, as a user space >>> application, it doesn't require a kernel module(espeakup requires the >>> speakup kernel module) and should thus be easier to setup on distros >>> that don't ship staging modules in their default kernels(speakup has >>> been trapped in staging for years and has little chance of graduating >>> to kernel main short of a complete rewrite as I understand it) and >>> built-in support for Unicode(arguably of limited use for >>> English-speaking users, but could be vital to those whose native >>> language uses a non-Latin Alphabet). >>>=20 >>> Also, previous messages in this thread would suggest it works just as >>> well in a Terminal Emulator as from the terminal itself, which I don't >>> believe I've heard suggest of espeakup or SBL, the latter which I use >>> for terminal speech myself(I only run X for Firefox, so I can't >>> comment on the question of Terminal Emulators). >>>=20 >>> No idea why Fenrir is named after the Wolf from Norse mythology, >>> especially since its traditional to name screen readers after marine >>> animals and this is the only screen reader I know of with a non-marine >>> animal-based name. >>>=20 >>> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion = >>> wrote: >>>> What is fenrir? >>>>=20 >>>> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion >>>> wrote: >>>>> Howdy, >>>>>=20 >>>>> gnome-terminal works as well. >>>>>=20 >>>>> you also can use fenrir to make an terminal emulator accessible by >>>>> starting it with: >>>>> fenrir -e (for using escape sequence shortcuts) >>>>> sudo fenrir -E (using evdev, can only run once) >>>>>=20 >>>>> cheers chrys >>>>> Zitat von Linux for blind general discussion := >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Is there any other accessible terminal emulators besides using mate >>>>>> terminal in a window manager? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list