Ouch. All that just seems like a lot of roundabout to have to do. I install a full MATE desktop along with Orca, set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled and org.mate.interface accessibility true if necessary and use the lxdm display manager to start it. I then only have to change three lines to get a fully accessible desktop running at boot time. First, I uncomment the line that begins with autologin and set it true. Then I change the automatically logged in user from dgod to my username and uncomment that line. Then the only other thing I need to do is to uncomment the line that begins with session and change it from /usr/bin/startlxde to /usr/bin/mate-session. This approach of course doesn't work all that well on multi-user systems, but in most cases it's all you need. In this way, you always start with a desktop running, and if you need to do anything in a terminal, you can just open mate-terminal. I find myself using the terminal rather infrequently these days for anything other than building source code, complex file management that still works better from a shell and package management, although there are package management applications available for most distros that don't require a terminal and work rather well, especially for finding new software. Most applications work so well with Orca that I have found desktop applications generally easier to use than chatty terminal output and page-by-page reading and the like. On March 1, 2020 1:07:30 PM EST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >The most useful approach for accessibility users unless they use a >mouse >is to install startx and ratpoison and then have ratpoison run which >brings up startx and startx then brings up mate. The ratpoison is a >package which when you get it working makes startx accessible more so >than it already is. > >On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:51 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: Linux for blind general discussion >> Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? >> >> This is really something debian does not provide. Archlinux that can >be >> done with installing a few of the correct packages and I don't >remember >> the list now didn't save it in braille. Now, with slint you can do >all >> of that and that's one of the installation choices. Slint doesn't >have >> gnome either but does have mate. >> https://slint.fr/ is the first url and search the page for >accessibility >> and read what you find. >> >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >> > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:30:57 >> > From: Linux for blind general discussion >> > To: Linux for blind general discussion >> > Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > Thanks for all your suggestions. I have Debian Buster, command-line >only. I may just wait until the next Debian testing is available and >see if they include Mate. >> > I >> > will be using brltty, and no speech. >> > >> > This leaves one concern in my original message for discussion. I >want Debian to boot into the command-line, but I want to have a command >or script for starting >> > the GUI when I need it. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > John J. Boyer >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Linux for blind general >discussion wrote: >> > > Best I can tell, Mate 1.24 is currently available in both Debian >> > > Testing(aka Bull's Eye which will eventually become Debian 11) >and >> > > Debian Unstable(aka Sid). >> > > >> > > It's unlikely something as big as a new version of Mate will make >it >> > > into Debian 9 aka Stretch or oldstable or Debian 10 aka Buster or >> > > Stable as Debian priortizes stability over cutting edge, though >it >> > > might make it into backports(more likely for Buster than for >Stretch, >> > > but I confess to not knowing how long Debian supports Oldstable >when a >> > > new Stable is released). >> > > >> > > That said, while Orca, the primary, and possibly only, graphical >> > > screen reader for Linux, is officially part of Gnome and >persumably >> > > optimized for that environment, and probably works so well with >Mate >> > > due to Mate's origins as a Gnome fork(as I understand it, Gnome 3 >> > > brought many controversial changes to look and feel and Mate >startedas >> > > a way to keep the Gnome 2.x look and feel in an updated >environment), >> > > Orca should, in theory, be able to work with any GTK-based >Desktop >> > > Environment or Window Manager, though anything QT-based(KDE chief >> > > among them) is currently a bit hit or miss. >> > > >> > > Gnome or Mate might be the best options for a beginner as they're >the >> > > most well documented DEs for using them with Orca, but Knoppix >using a >> > > combination of LXDE and Orca when launching a full Desktop seems >to >> > > work well, and I've heard people have had success with the >ratpoison >> > > window Manager. >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Blinux-list mailing list >> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > >-- > > >_______________________________________________ >Blinux-list mailing list >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ~KyleFrom dcrone215@gmail.com Sun Mar 1 15:41:12 2020 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.4]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 021KfCmA007563 for ; 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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 14:41:04 -0600 References: <20200301111759.GA12551@abilitiessoft> To: Linux for blind general discussion In-Reply-To: <20200301111759.GA12551@abilitiessoft> Message-Id: <4FABBFAD-282B-4F95-8EDD-1EC3ED168279@gmail.com> Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s 161025 header.b=J3Oh+G22; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of dcrone215@gmail.com designates 209.85.167.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfromÜrone215@gmail.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 021KfCmA007563 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 20:41:12 -0000 Ubuntu Mate might be your best bet. > On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:17 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > Hello, > > I am using Debian command line as much as possible. When I must deal with a GUI I use Microsoft Windows 10. However, i'm getting disgusted with Microsoft's > updates, which it makes without asking permission. they keep causing trouble with my computers. I've heard of several Linux Desktop environments, but I'm > skeptical if they are as good as Windows. Which one would you recommend? > > I want my Linux machine to continue to boot into the command line, and when I want a GUI to start it with a simple command, or maybe a shell script. > > Thanks, > John > > -- > John J. Boyer > Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org > website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org > Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. > Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA > Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services > that are available at no cost > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >