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From: Rich Morin In-Reply-To: <20240728.190255.886.4@[192.168.1.100]> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 12:23:43 -0700 Message-Id: <99B4EEFF-D063-459A-8C68-C437E4758811@cfcl.com> References: <8eedfc39-ac45-444b-8759-c76cb94406b9@jasonjgw.net> <20240728.190255.886.4@[192.168.1.100]> To: Linux for blind general discussion X-Mimecast-Impersonation-Protect: Policy=CLT - Impersonation Protection Definition;Similar Internal Domain=false;Similar Monitored External Domain=false;Custom External Domain=false;Mimecast External Domain=false;Newly Observed Domain=false;Internal User Name=false;Custom Display Name List=false;Reply-to Address Mismatch=false;Targeted Threat Dictionary=false;Mimecast Threat Dictionary=false;Custom Threat Dictionary=false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.4.1 on 10.30.177.4 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: cfcl.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: rdm@cfcl.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdm@cfcl.com designates 209.85.210.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rdm@cfcl.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list blinux-list@redhat.com; contact blinux-list+owners@redhat.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Google-Group-Id: 304886998071 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , The screen reader (or whatever) wouldn't have to be "jabbering over the pre= senter". For example, the user could pause the video to examine and/or dis= cuss a given slide. If desired, the user could be alerted each time a new = slide comes up (eg, by a short tone). One of the useful aspects of recorded presentations is the ability to pause= and review sections which "went by too fast". I frequently do this myself= , pausing the video to examine a slide of interest. -r > On Jul 28, 2024, at 12:02, 'Rob Hudson' via blinux-list@redhat.com wrote: >=20 > You would have the screen reader jabbering over the presenter, so I'm not= sure that would take off. Audio description is usually slotted between dia= log in tv shows and movies, so I'm not sure this approach would work for th= e type of content you are talking about. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to blinux-list+unsubscribe@redhat.com.