* Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
> is the one you should be using.
>
> https://talkingarch.tk
>
> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>
> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
> the install? What messages did you see?
>
> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
> do you know what you think you know?
>
> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
> anything useful for debugging.
>
> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
> to avoid run-on sentences.
>
> Janina
>
> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed
> i
> > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
> >
> > Devin Prater
> >
> > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> Email: janina@rednote.net
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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* Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
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I have my laptop set up right now to dual boot Windows and Vinux. I also
have a virtual machine in VMware Player, so I can run Windows in a
virtual machine under Vinux.
On my new laptop, which I'm in the process of setting up, I'll do the
same thing, except I'll probably use Ubuntu 16.04 for now instead of
Vinux. I'll also have a virtual machine in Windows where I can run
Ubuntu. This way, no matter which operating system I boot up in, I'll be
able to use the other simultaneously.
On 29/06/17 11:19, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
>> is the one you should be using.
>>
>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>
>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>
>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>
>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
>> do you know what you think you know?
>>
>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>> anything useful for debugging.
>>
>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed
>> i
>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>
>>> Devin Prater
>>>
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>
>>
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>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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* Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
to work with it.
Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
Janina
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
> > the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
> > is the one you should be using.
> >
> > https://talkingarch.tk
> >
> > Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
> > stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
> > happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
> > default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
> > partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
> >
> > As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
> > nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
> > the install? What messages did you see?
> >
> > And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
> > happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
> > do you know what you think you know?
> >
> > I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
> > anything useful for debugging.
> >
> > PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
> > to avoid run-on sentences.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> > > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed
> > i
> > > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
> > >
> > > Devin Prater
> > >
> > > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
> > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > Email: janina@rednote.net
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> >
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
Email: janina@rednote.net
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
those and didn't know what to make of them.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>
>
> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
> to work with it.
>
> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>
> Janina
>
> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>>
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>
>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>
>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>
>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>
>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>
>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and wh
en I pus
hed
>>> i
>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>
>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>
>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>
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* Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
I gave you my advice. I'm out of this conversation now.
Janina
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of those
> and didn't know what to make of them.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
> >
> > Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
> > recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
> >
> >
> > Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
> > Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
> > to work with it.
> >
> > Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> > > I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
> > >
> > > Devin Prater
> > >
> > > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> > >
> > > On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
> > > > the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
> > > > is the one you should be using.
> > > >
> > > > https://talkingarch.tk
> > > >
> > > > Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
> > > > stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
> > > > happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
> > > > default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
> > > > partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
> > > >
> > > > As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
> > > > nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
> > > > the install? What messages did you see?
> > > >
> > > > And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
> > > > happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
> > > > do you know what you think you know?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
> > > > anything useful for debugging.
> > > >
> > > > PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
> > > > to avoid run-on sentences.
> > > >
> > > > Janina
> > > >
> > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> > > > > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and wh
> en I pus
> hed
> > > > i
> > > > > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Devin Prater
> > > > >
> > > > > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
> > > > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > > > Email: janina@rednote.net
> > > >
> > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> > > >
> > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> >
>
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>
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sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
Email: janina@rednote.net
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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* Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Now no longer an issue. I found the
Fedora-Workstation-25-x86-64.iso.torrent and got it with lftp last
night, so will try what appears to be the working version next.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:14:39
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of those
> and didn't know what to make of them.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>
>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>
>>
>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>> to work with it.
>>
>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get
>>> stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the
>>> drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux, so
>>> I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well. I'll
>>> also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive
>>> which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in
>>> Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>>
>>> Devin Prater
>>>
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the
>>> BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>
>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>
>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>
>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>
>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>
>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>
>>>> Janina
>>>>
>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two
>>>>> months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on
>>>>> Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails
>>>>> from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So,
>>>>> while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image,
>>>>> using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but
>>>>> after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no
>>>>> system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't
>>>>> give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay
>>>>> I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install,
>>>>> without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what
>>>>> I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing
>>>>> Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I
>>>>> accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment,
>>>>> and wh
> en I pus
> hed
>>>> i
>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer,
>>>>> so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I
>>>>> just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the
>>>>> instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and
>>>>> such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm
>>>>> just not sure what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the
>>>>> BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>
>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>
>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>>
>
>
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Helllo sense fedora isn;t workable what is vinux going to use? last I
heard vinux was going to use fedora.
thanks
Hank
On 6/29/2017 8:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
> those and didn't know what to make of them.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>
>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>
>>
>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>> to work with it.
>>
>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always
>>> get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
>>> partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
>>> dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows
>>> audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux,
>>> probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure
>>> that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I
>>> think it's gone rather bad.
>>>
>>> Devin Prater
>>>
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch,
>>>> this
>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>
>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>
>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky
>>>> is the
>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>
>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went
>>>> wrong in
>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>
>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that
>>>> isn't
>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So,
>>>> how
>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>
>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can
>>>> manage
>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>
>>>> Janina
>>>>
>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two
>>>>> months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could
>>>>> do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the
>>>>> Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which
>>>>> mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive
>>>>> with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So,
>>>>> The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and
>>>>> the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen
>>>>> that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm
>>>>> stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out
>>>>> of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts
>>>>> although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like,
>>>>> because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora
>>>>> a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I
>>>>> accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a
>>>>> moment, and wh
> en I pus
> hed
>>>> i
>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the
>>>>> installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So,
>>>>> any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last
>>>>> time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on
>>>>> setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the
>>>>> results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>
>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>
>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
>>>> (WAI)
>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>>
>
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
can I get a link to the iso?
On 6/30/2017 9:35 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Now no longer an issue. I found the
> Fedora-Workstation-25-x86-64.iso.torrent and got it with lftp last
> night, so will try what appears to be the working version next.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:14:39
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>
>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some
>> of those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>
>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and
>>> how
>>> to work with it.
>>>
>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always
>>>> get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
>>>> partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
>>>> dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows
>>>> audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux,
>>>> probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure
>>>> that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I
>>>> think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you
>>>>> using
>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch,
>>>>> this
>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>
>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky
>>>>> is the
>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've
>>>>> not
>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went
>>>>> wrong in
>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens.
>>>>> So, how
>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can
>>>>> manage
>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for
>>>>>> two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I
>>>>>> could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get
>>>>>> the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which
>>>>>> mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive
>>>>>> with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable.
>>>>>> So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted,
>>>>>> and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never
>>>>>> seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so
>>>>>> I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose,
>>>>>> but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without
>>>>>> scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what
>>>>>> I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried
>>>>>> installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no
>>>>>> luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB
>>>>>> drive for a moment, and wh
>> en I pus
>> hed
>>>>> i
>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the
>>>>>> installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So,
>>>>>> any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last
>>>>>> time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on
>>>>>> setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not
>>>>>> the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>>>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
>>>>> (WAI)
>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Fedora is very workable, if you know how to work it. There's no
intrinsic problem with Fedora, except that it's rather hard to install
without sighted assistance. Or perhaps I should say it's significantly
harder to install for people who don't know what they're doing. There
are distributions that intentionally and actively support installation
by blind users, but Fedora isn't one of them. That's all.
Actually, Fedora is a great choice in many ways.
Janina
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> Helllo sense fedora isn;t workable what is vinux going to use? last I heard
> vinux was going to use fedora.
>
> thanks
>
> Hank
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2017 8:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
> > those and didn't know what to make of them.
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
> > >
> > > Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
> > > recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
> > > Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
> > > to work with it.
> > >
> > > Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> > > > I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I
> > > > always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
> > > > partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
> > > > dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the
> > > > Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing
> > > > Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am
> > > > 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in
> > > > Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
> > > >
> > > > Devin Prater
> > > >
> > > > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services
> > > > for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
> > > > > the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing
> > > > > arch, this
> > > > > is the one you should be using.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://talkingarch.tk
> > > > >
> > > > > Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly
> > > > > tricky is the
> > > > > stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
> > > > > happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
> > > > > default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
> > > > > partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
> > > > > nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing
> > > > > went wrong in
> > > > > the install? What messages did you see?
> > > > >
> > > > > And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect
> > > > > that isn't
> > > > > happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing
> > > > > screens. So, how
> > > > > do you know what you think you know?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
> > > > > anything useful for debugging.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you
> > > > > can manage
> > > > > to avoid run-on sentences.
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> > > > > > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using
> > > > > > Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that
> > > > > > I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the
> > > > > > Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from
> > > > > > the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses
> > > > > > Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with
> > > > > > the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
> > > > > > bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the
> > > > > > computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out,
> > > > > > no system came up. I've never seen that happen before,
> > > > > > and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck
> > > > > > between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but
> > > > > > out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install,
> > > > > > without scripts although the ones I know of are broken,
> > > > > > but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask
> > > > > > of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times,
> > > > > > formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally
> > > > > > pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a
> > > > > > moment, and wh
> > en I pus
> > hed
> > > > > i
> > > > > > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up
> > > > > > the installer, so the data on that drive is probably
> > > > > > corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux
> > > > > > and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions
> > > > > > for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock
> > > > > > and such, because the results I got were not the results
> > > > > > on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Devin Prater
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World
> > > > > > Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
> > > > > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > > > > Email: janina@rednote.net
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> > > > >
> > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility
> > > > > Initiative (WAI)
> > > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
Email: janina@rednote.net
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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I tried it, and the only problem was boot order related. Now I'm rocking
fedora 25, with Emacspeak, Emacs, Youtube-DL, Audacious, Voxin, and all
that installed now. It's amazing how quickly it is to get a good Linux
system up and running. Just type · or say in the future perhaps? A
command, and the package is downloaded and installed silently, or at
least, without needing to answer any other questions other than "yes,
these packages being installed is okay."
--
Devin Prater
assistive Technology Instructor in training
World services for the blind
Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes:
> Now no longer an issue. I found the
> Fedora-Workstation-25-x86-64.iso.torrent and got it with lftp last
> night, so will try what appears to be the working version next.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:14:39
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>
>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some
>> of those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>
>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>>> to work with it.
>>>
>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always
>>>> get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
>>>> partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
>>>> dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the
>>>> Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing
>>>> Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am
>>>> 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in
>>>> Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>
>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for
>>>>>> two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I
>>>>>> could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get
>>>>>> the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending,
>>>>>> which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB
>>>>>> drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
>>>>>> bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer
>>>>>> restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came
>>>>>> up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give
>>>>>> any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being
>>>>>> okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to
>>>>>> install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken,
>>>>>> but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So
>>>>>> I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the
>>>>>> drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive
>>>>>> out of the USB drive for a moment, and wh
>> en I pus
>> hed
>>>>> i
>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the
>>>>>> installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So,
>>>>>> any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The
>>>>>> last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got
>>>>>> stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got
>>>>>> were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services
>>>>>> for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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What I did not know and discovered was that the Fedora Configuration
Screen where you enter root and user information is a special screen
needing special handling. Once all of that information is entered it's
best to go into flat review mode and camp out on that screen for most of
an hour. What to search for are two completion percentages near the
bottom of that screen. The top one is task completion percentage and
the bottom is installation completion percentage. The installation
completion percentage will hang on 40% while software is being installed
but then increase as other parts of the system get installed and
configured. A little while after that bottom percentage hits 100 and
then the screen goes blank for a couple seconds you're left with a help
button and a quit button and that quit button you hit enter or space on
to move on to a window with about five icons in it and activities and a
time stamp written in it. Then it's time to remove the dvd and reboot.
I did need to hit control-super-s and then got to login and logged in
and connected my network. I entered my gmail email address but probably
missed the password field that was on that screen so didn't configure
those accounts. I did all of this on the i386 version and when we get
the bad weather out of here maybe Sunday I'll try testing other versions
and see if I can duplicate any of my success here on them. Useful now I
have an idea what to expect and why.
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:41:15
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Helllo sense fedora isn;t workable what is vinux going to use? last I heard
> vinux was going to use fedora.
>
> thanks
>
> Hank
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2017 8:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
>> those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>
>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>>> to work with it.
>>>
>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get
>>>> stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the
>>>> drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux,
>>>> so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well.
>>>> I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash
>>>> drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even
>>>> work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the
>>>> BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>
>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two
>>>>>> months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do
>>>>>> on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange
>>>>>> emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses
>>>>>> Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest
>>>>>> Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation
>>>>>> went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was
>>>>>> taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and
>>>>>> Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch.
>>>>>> Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me
>>>>>> to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but
>>>>>> Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried
>>>>>> installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck.
>>>>>> Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a
>>>>>> moment, and wh
>> en I pus
>> hed
>>>>> i
>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer,
>>>>>> so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should
>>>>>> I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the
>>>>>> instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and
>>>>>> such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm
>>>>>> just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the
>>>>>> BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linux for blind general discussion
The reason people don't know what they are doing is Fedora isn't all
that well documented from an accessibility installation perspective yet.
I hope the message I sent here before this message goes a little way
toward providing some documentation.
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:07:49
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Fedora is very workable, if you know how to work it. There's no
> intrinsic problem with Fedora, except that it's rather hard to install
> without sighted assistance. Or perhaps I should say it's significantly
> harder to install for people who don't know what they're doing. There
> are distributions that intentionally and actively support installation
> by blind users, but Fedora isn't one of them. That's all.
>
> Actually, Fedora is a great choice in many ways.
>
> Janina
>
> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>> Helllo sense fedora isn;t workable what is vinux going to use? last I heard
>> vinux was going to use fedora.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/29/2017 8:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
>>> those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>>
>>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>>>> to work with it.
>>>>
>>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>>
>>>> Janina
>>>>
>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I
>>>>> always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
>>>>> partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
>>>>> dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the
>>>>> Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing
>>>>> Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am
>>>>> 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in
>>>>> Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services
>>>>> for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing
>>>>>> arch, this
>>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly
>>>>>> tricky is the
>>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing
>>>>>> went wrong in
>>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect
>>>>>> that isn't
>>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing
>>>>>> screens. So, how
>>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you
>>>>>> can manage
>>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janina
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using
>>>>>>> Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that
>>>>>>> I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the
>>>>>>> Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from
>>>>>>> the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses
>>>>>>> Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with
>>>>>>> the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
>>>>>>> bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the
>>>>>>> computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out,
>>>>>>> no system came up. I've never seen that happen before,
>>>>>>> and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck
>>>>>>> between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but
>>>>>>> out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install,
>>>>>>> without scripts although the ones I know of are broken,
>>>>>>> but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask
>>>>>>> of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times,
>>>>>>> formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally
>>>>>>> pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a
>>>>>>> moment, and wh
>>> en I pus
>>> hed
>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up
>>>>>>> the installer, so the data on that drive is probably
>>>>>>> corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux
>>>>>>> and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions
>>>>>>> for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock
>>>>>>> and such, because the results I got were not the results
>>>>>>> on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World
>>>>>>> Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility
>>>>>> Initiative (WAI)
>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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Let's see,
https://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-25.torrent
Best run lftp and then key in torrent and a space and that url above and
you should be good to go shortly. You caught me at a good time for that
url.
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:07:03
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> can I get a link to the iso?
>
>
> On 6/30/2017 9:35 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Now no longer an issue. I found the
>> Fedora-Workstation-25-x86-64.iso.torrent and got it with lftp last night,
>> so will try what appears to be the working version next.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:14:39
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>
>>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
>>> those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>>
>>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>>>> to work with it.
>>>>
>>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>>
>>>> Janina
>>>>
>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always get
>>>>> stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock, partitioning the
>>>>> drive, such like that. What I plan to do is dualboot Windows and Linux,
>>>>> so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows audio games and such as well.
>>>>> I'll also try installing Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash
>>>>> drive which I am 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even
>>>>> work in Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the
>>>>> BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
>>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
>>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
>>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
>>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
>>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janina
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two
>>>>>>> months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do
>>>>>>> on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange
>>>>>>> emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses
>>>>>>> Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest
>>>>>>> Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation
>>>>>>> went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was
>>>>>>> taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and
>>>>>>> Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and
>>>>>>> Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard
>>>>>>> for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are
>>>>>>> broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it.
>>>>>>> So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive,
>>>>>>> but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB
>>>>>>> drive for a moment, and wh
>>> en I pus
>>> hed
>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the
>>>>>>> installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any
>>>>>>> ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I
>>>>>>> tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the
>>>>>>> clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the
>>>>>>> ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the
>>>>>>> BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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My understanding is that Vinux 6 will use Ubuntu and then Vinux 7 will
switch over to Fedora.
On 30/06/17 11:41, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Helllo sense fedora isn;t workable what is vinux going to use? last I
> heard vinux was going to use fedora.
>
> thanks
>
> Hank
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2017 8:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some
>> of those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>
>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and
>>> how
>>> to work with it.
>>>
>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I always
>>>> get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
>>>> partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
>>>> dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the Windows
>>>> audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing Linux,
>>>> probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am 100." sure
>>>> that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in Windows, so I
>>>> think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you
>>>>> using
>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch,
>>>>> this
>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>
>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky
>>>>> is the
>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've
>>>>> not
>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went
>>>>> wrong in
>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens.
>>>>> So, how
>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can
>>>>> manage
>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for
>>>>>> two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I
>>>>>> could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get
>>>>>> the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which
>>>>>> mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive
>>>>>> with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable.
>>>>>> So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted,
>>>>>> and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never
>>>>>> seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so
>>>>>> I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose,
>>>>>> but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without
>>>>>> scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what
>>>>>> I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried
>>>>>> installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no
>>>>>> luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB
>>>>>> drive for a moment, and wh
>> en I pus
>> hed
>>>>> i
>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the
>>>>>> installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So,
>>>>>> any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last
>>>>>> time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on
>>>>>> setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not
>>>>>> the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>>>>>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
>>>>> (WAI)
>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>>
>>
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The beta version of fedora disables orca after the accept your fate
button is pressed to the point it's not possible to enter flat review.
That version of Fedora definitely needs some attention paid to the
installer itself too.
The x-86_64 version of the Workstation-25 Fedora as well as the i386
version does install correctly here once you know what to expect during
those installations.
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 00:54:23
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> The reason people don't know what they are doing is Fedora isn't all that
> well documented from an accessibility installation perspective yet.
> I hope the message I sent here before this message goes a little way toward
> providing some documentation.
>
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:07:49
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>
>> Fedora is very workable, if you know how to work it. There's no
>> intrinsic problem with Fedora, except that it's rather hard to install
>> without sighted assistance. Or perhaps I should say it's significantly
>> harder to install for people who don't know what they're doing. There
>> are distributions that intentionally and actively support installation
>> by blind users, but Fedora isn't one of them. That's all.
>>
>> Actually, Fedora is a great choice in many ways.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>> Helllo sense fedora isn;t workable what is vinux going to use? last I
>>> heard
>>> vinux was going to use fedora.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/29/2017 8:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> Should I be looking for an Everything fedora torrent? I found some of
>>>> those and didn't know what to make of them.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:03:05
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if you're getting confused by the Talking Arch install, I would
>>>>> recommend you stay away from Fedora for now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Talking Arch is designed to be blind friendly. Fedora is not. So, save
>>>>> Fedora for another day--for a day when you know more about Linux and how
>>>>> to work with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my advice, which you're free to do with as you will, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>> I use the Talking arch iso. I've tried installing it, but I
>>>>>> always get stuck on one part or another, like setting the clock,
>>>>>> partitioning the drive, such like that. What I plan to do is
>>>>>> dualboot Windows and Linux, so I can have Emacspeak and the
>>>>>> Windows audio games and such as well. I'll also try installing
>>>>>> Linux, probably Arch this time, using a flash drive which I am
>>>>>> 100." sure that it'll work, as my old one didn't even work in
>>>>>> Windows, so I think it's gone rather bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services
>>>>>> for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
>>>>>>> the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing
>>>>>>> arch, this
>>>>>>> is the one you should be using.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://talkingarch.tk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly
>>>>>>> tricky is the
>>>>>>> stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
>>>>>>> happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
>>>>>>> default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
>>>>>>> partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
>>>>>>> nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing
>>>>>>> went wrong in
>>>>>>> the install? What messages did you see?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect
>>>>>>> that isn't
>>>>>>> happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing
>>>>>>> screens. So, how
>>>>>>> do you know what you think you know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
>>>>>>> anything useful for debugging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you
>>>>>>> can manage
>>>>>>> to avoid run-on sentences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>>>>>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using
>>>>>>>> Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that
>>>>>>>> I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the
>>>>>>>> Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from
>>>>>>>> the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses
>>>>>>>> Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with
>>>>>>>> the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
>>>>>>>> bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the
>>>>>>>> computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out,
>>>>>>>> no system came up. I've never seen that happen before,
>>>>>>>> and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck
>>>>>>>> between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but
>>>>>>>> out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install,
>>>>>>>> without scripts although the ones I know of are broken,
>>>>>>>> but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask
>>>>>>>> of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times,
>>>>>>>> formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally
>>>>>>>> pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a
>>>>>>>> moment, and wh
>>>> en I pus
>>>> hed
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up
>>>>>>>> the installer, so the data on that drive is probably
>>>>>>>> corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux
>>>>>>>> and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions
>>>>>>>> for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock
>>>>>>>> and such, because the results I got were not the results
>>>>>>>> on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World
>>>>>>>> Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
>>>>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>>>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility
>>>>>>> Initiative (WAI)
>>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Oh, it's in text mode? That's okay too, the Touch can read those fine,
in case I want to install Arch.
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World services for the blind
Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes:
> What can I use to make a good .brf file? I'll be putting in most
> likely text or org-mode instructions if I do it.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:51:46
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>>
>> Is there a chance that these brailled instructions are in BRF? I
>> could read them on my Braille Note Touch as I install Arch. I might
>> end up Dualbeoting Arch and Windows, if possible, for the use of
>> Microsoft Office 365, the PPSSPP Playstation portable emulator, with
>> works well with the Xbox one controller in Windows, and Skype, but
>> that's about all I can think of right now that I need Windows for,
>> and I don't really go on TeamTalk anymore. I find Gnom" to be a
>> little better for me, as I can access Wi-fi from the Top panel,
>> rather than launching WICT and managing its rather inaccessible GUI.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>>
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2017 12:34 PM, Linux for blind general discussion
>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you read the beginners-guide to install archlinux? It's longer
>>> but gives more information.
>>>
>>> I have developed brailled instructions for installing arch and each
>>> time I do that I end up improving those instructions.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:45:20 > From: Linux for blind general
>>> discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com >
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems > > Le
>>> 29/06/2017 ? 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit : >>
>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two
>>> months, > I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I
>>> could do on Windows, and > with the Braille note Touch, I can get
>>> the Exchange emails from the training > center I'm attending, which
>>> mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I > burned a USB drive
>>> with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it >
>>> bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer
>>> restarted, > and the flash drive was taken out, no system came
>>> up. I've never seen that > happen before, and Googling didn't give
>>> any answers, so I'm stuck between > Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being
>>> okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being > hard for me to
>>> install, without scripts although the ones I know of are > broken,
>>> but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I
>>> > tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive,
>>> but no luck. > Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of
>>> the USB drive for a moment, > and when I pushed i >> t back in, I
>>> couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so > the
>>> data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I
>>> just go > with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the
>>> instructions for > installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the
>>> clock and such, because the > results I got were not the results on
>>> the ge, so I'm just not sure what to > do. > > Unfortunately Fedora
>>> isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can > install
>>> Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis : >
>>> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html > > I
>>> advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its
>>> accessibility > and ease of use. > > Best regards. > >
>>> _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list
>>> mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com >
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>> list Blinux-list@redhat.com
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Have you an iPhone with be my eyes app on it? If so, it may prove
informative if you call up a volunteer and get them to watch your screen
for you while you try a boot up and have them tell you what if any
messages appear. My guess is, you have no default system set to boot
and a grub menu is coming up. If that's the case when you boot and
everything stops you could hit downarrow once then hit <enter> and see
if anything happens. If you get the wrong operating system, try reboot
again and just hit <enter> without touching arrow keys and see if you
get a different operating system.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:55:38
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> I did trx that, and raising and lowering the volume, which usually makes a pop sound in Gnome, and I tried alt f2, which also didn't know. I didn't hear the popping noise either, and braille didn't come up when I plugged in both the Braille note touch, which probably isn't supported, and the Focus 40 Blue which the AT department has here, which I _1know is supported, but neither produced the "screen not in text mode" braille which every Orca and braille user surely comes to know and love. :-)
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
> On Jun 29, 2017 12:31 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> You may need to hit alt-super-s after you start fedora for the first
>> time whether or not fedora comes up speaking at all and this may have to
>> be done each time you boot fedora too.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:29:41
>> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>> > Subject: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>> >
>> > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and wh
en
>> I pushed
>> i
>> > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>> >
>> > Devin Prater
>> >
>> > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Blinux-list mailing list
>> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>> >
>>
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What can I use to make a good .brf file? I'll be putting in most likely
text or org-mode instructions if I do it.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:51:46
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Is there a chance that these brailled instructions are in BRF? I could read them on my Braille Note Touch as I install Arch. I might end up Dualbeoting Arch and Windows, if possible, for the use of Microsoft Office 365, the PPSSPP Playstation portable emulator, with works well with the Xbox one controller in Windows, and Skype, but that's about all I can think of right now that I need Windows for, and I don't really go on TeamTalk anymore. I find Gnom" to be a little better for me, as I can access Wi-fi from the Top panel, rather than launching WICT and managing its rather inaccessible GUI.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
> On Jun 29, 2017 12:34 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Did you read the beginners-guide to install archlinux? It's longer but
>> gives more information.
>>
>> I have developed brailled instructions for installing arch and each time
>> I do that I end up improving those instructions.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:45:20
>> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>> > Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>> >
>> > Le 29/06/2017 ? 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
>> >> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months,
>> > I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and
>> > with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training
>> > center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I
>> > burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
>> > bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted,
>> > and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that
>> > happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between
>> > Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being
>> > hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are
>> > broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I
>> > tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck.
>> > Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment,
>> > and when I pushed i
>> >> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so
>> > the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go
>> > with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for
>> > installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the
>> > results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to
>> > do.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
>> > install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
>> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
>> >
>> > I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
>> > and ease of use.
>> >
>> > Best regards.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Blinux-list mailing list
>> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
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No, they're on braille paper.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:51:46
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Is there a chance that these brailled instructions are in BRF? I could read them on my Braille Note Touch as I install Arch. I might end up Dualbeoting Arch and Windows, if possible, for the use of Microsoft Office 365, the PPSSPP Playstation portable emulator, with works well with the Xbox one controller in Windows, and Skype, but that's about all I can think of right now that I need Windows for, and I don't really go on TeamTalk anymore. I find Gnom" to be a little better for me, as I can access Wi-fi from the Top panel, rather than launching WICT and managing its rather inaccessible GUI.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
> On Jun 29, 2017 12:34 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Did you read the beginners-guide to install archlinux? It's longer but
>> gives more information.
>>
>> I have developed brailled instructions for installing arch and each time
>> I do that I end up improving those instructions.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:45:20
>> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>> > Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>> >
>> > Le 29/06/2017 ? 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
>> >> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months,
>> > I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and
>> > with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training
>> > center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I
>> > burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
>> > bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted,
>> > and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that
>> > happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between
>> > Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being
>> > hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are
>> > broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I
>> > tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck.
>> > Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment,
>> > and when I pushed i
>> >> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so
>> > the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go
>> > with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for
>> > installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the
>> > results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to
>> > do.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
>> > install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
>> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
>> >
>> > I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
>> > and ease of use.
>> >
>> > Best regards.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Blinux-list mailing list
>> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>> --
>>
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Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes:
Okay, I found out that Fedora did in fact install, the boot order for
booting up was just a bit wrong, with network booting first, lol. Now,
though, Emacs, Emacspeak, and Voxin are installed on Fedora! Thanks all
for the suggestions though. :)
> If you're just trying to get a platform where you can run Emacs and
> Emacspeak then I'd suggest just going with Vinux 5.1. The boot media
> will just come up talking.
>
>
> On 29/06/17 08:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Thanks for this. I mainly want Linux for Emacs with Emacspeak. I'm
>> not a programmer, sorry, not yet a qeast, but Emacspeak both makes
>> sense to me, and makes reading and writing things like documents,
>> emails, and reading books and web pages, with Emacspeak's ways of
>> controlling Eloquence to make content more enjoyable and informative
>> to take in, is like going from black and white to colored TV
>> compared to screen readers which rely on accessibility API's to show
>> information. I'd a qeed Firefox for more demanding sites, like web
>> apps, but that's about it. Wel, either Firefox o ofome. I did try
>> Debian a few months ago, but it could not dtimeect my Wi-fi
>> card. Tce Talking Arch could, I wound up having someone on IRC
>> install it over SSH, but I don't want the people of that IRC server
>> to run out of pajience with me, so I probably won't ask again. So,
>> any other ideas I can try?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>>
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for
>> the BLIND, JAWS certified
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2017 7:45 AM, Linux for blind general discussion
>> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> Le 29/06/2017 à 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two
>>>> months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could
>>>> do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the
>>>> Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which
>>>> mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive
>>>> with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So,
>>>> The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and
>>>> the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen
>>>> that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm
>>>> stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out
>>>> of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts
>>>> although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like,
>>>> because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora
>>>> a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I
>>>> accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a
>>>> moment, and when I pushed i
>>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the
>>>> installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So,
>>>> any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last
>>>> time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on
>>>> setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the
>>>> results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>>> Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
>>> install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
>>> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
>>>
>>> I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
>>> and ease of use.
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
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If you're just trying to get a platform where you can run Emacs and
Emacspeak then I'd suggest just going with Vinux 5.1. The boot media
will just come up talking.
On 29/06/17 08:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Thanks for this. I mainly want Linux for Emacs with Emacspeak. I'm not a programmer, sorry, not yet a qeast, but Emacspeak both makes sense to me, and makes reading and writing things like documents, emails, and reading books and web pages, with Emacspeak's ways of controlling Eloquence to make content more enjoyable and informative to take in, is like going from black and white to colored TV compared to screen readers which rely on accessibility API's to show information. I'd a qeed Firefox for more demanding sites, like web apps, but that's about it. Wel, either Firefox o ofome. I did try Debian a few months ago, but it could not dtimeect my Wi-fi card. Tce Talking Arch could, I wound up having someone on IRC install it over SSH, but I don't want the people of that IRC server to run out of pajience with me, so I probably won't ask again. So, any other ideas I can try?
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
> On Jun 29, 2017 7:45 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Le 29/06/2017 à 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed i
>>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>> Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
>> install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
>> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
>>
>> I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
>> and ease of use.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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I did trx that, and raising and lowering the volume, which usually makes a pop sound in Gnome, and I tried alt f2, which also didn't know. I didn't hear the popping noise either, and braille didn't come up when I plugged in both the Braille note touch, which probably isn't supported, and the Focus 40 Blue which the AT department has here, which I _1know is supported, but neither produced the "screen not in text mode" braille which every Orca and braille user surely comes to know and love. :-)
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
On Jun 29, 2017 12:31 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> You may need to hit alt-super-s after you start fedora for the first
> time whether or not fedora comes up speaking at all and this may have to
> be done each time you boot fedora too.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:29:41
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > Subject: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
> >
> > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when
> I pushed
> i
> > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
> >
> > Devin Prater
> >
> > Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Is there a chance that these brailled instructions are in BRF? I could read them on my Braille Note Touch as I install Arch. I might end up Dualbeoting Arch and Windows, if possible, for the use of Microsoft Office 365, the PPSSPP Playstation portable emulator, with works well with the Xbox one controller in Windows, and Skype, but that's about all I can think of right now that I need Windows for, and I don't really go on TeamTalk anymore. I find Gnom" to be a little better for me, as I can access Wi-fi from the Top panel, rather than launching WICT and managing its rather inaccessible GUI.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
On Jun 29, 2017 12:34 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Did you read the beginners-guide to install archlinux? It's longer but
> gives more information.
>
> I have developed brailled instructions for installing arch and each time
> I do that I end up improving those instructions.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:45:20
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
> >
> > Le 29/06/2017 ? 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
> >> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months,
> > I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and
> > with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training
> > center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I
> > burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
> > bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted,
> > and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that
> > happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between
> > Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being
> > hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are
> > broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I
> > tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck.
> > Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment,
> > and when I pushed i
> >> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so
> > the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go
> > with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for
> > installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the
> > results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to
> > do.
> >
> > Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
> > install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
> >
> > I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
> > and ease of use.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
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Did you read the beginners-guide to install archlinux? It's longer but
gives more information.
I have developed brailled instructions for installing arch and each time
I do that I end up improving those instructions.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:45:20
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Le 29/06/2017 ? 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
>> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months,
> I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and
> with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training
> center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I
> burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it
> bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted,
> and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that
> happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between
> Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being
> hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are
> broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I
> tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck.
> Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment,
> and when I pushed i
>> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so
> the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go
> with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for
> installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the
> results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to
> do.
>
> Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
> install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
>
> I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
> and ease of use.
>
> Best regards.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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You may need to hit alt-super-s after you start fedora for the first
time whether or not fedora comes up speaking at all and this may have to
be done each time you boot fedora too.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:29:41
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems
>
> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when
I pushed
i
> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
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I don't understand why you have trouble installing Arch. Are you using
the especially adapted talking arch iso image? If installing arch, this
is the one you should be using.
https://talkingarch.tk
Installing Fedora is actually more difficult. Particularly tricky is the
stage of installation where you partition your drive--unless you're
happy to take Fedora's defaults. Personally, I don't support that
default simply because I find it wise to put /home on a separate
partition--but maybe you wouldn't care. That's certainly up to you.
As to what may have gone wrong in your Fedora installation, you've not
nearly enough info in your email. How do you know nothing went wrong in
the install? What messages did you see?
And, how do you know it's not booting? What is it you expect that isn't
happening? I'm presuming you're blind so aren't seeing screens. So, how
do you know what you think you know?
I'm not trying to be harsh. But your message really isn't explaining
anything useful for debugging.
PS: It will also be easier to follow your explanation if you can manage
to avoid run-on sentences.
Janina
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed i
> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
>
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Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Thanks for this. I mainly want Linux for Emacs with Emacspeak. I'm not a programmer, sorry, not yet a qeast, but Emacspeak both makes sense to me, and makes reading and writing things like documents, emails, and reading books and web pages, with Emacspeak's ways of controlling Eloquence to make content more enjoyable and informative to take in, is like going from black and white to colored TV compared to screen readers which rely on accessibility API's to show information. I'd a qeed Firefox for more demanding sites, like web apps, but that's about it. Wel, either Firefox o ofome. I did try Debian a few months ago, but it could not dtimeect my Wi-fi card. Tce Talking Arch could, I wound up having someone on IRC install it over SSH, but I don't want the people of that IRC server to run out of pajience with me, so I probably won't ask again. So, any other ideas I can try?
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
On Jun 29, 2017 7:45 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Le 29/06/2017 à 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> > Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed i
> > t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
>
> Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
> install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
>
> I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
> and ease of use.
>
> Best regards.
>
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From: Linux for blind general discussion @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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Le 29/06/2017 à 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed i
> t back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
Unfortunately Fedora isn't ready for accessibility at this time. You can
install Debian 9 "Stretch" with braille or speech synthesis :
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s02.html
I advise you to choose Mate as desktop environment for its accessibility
and ease of use.
Best regards.
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Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from the training center I'm attending, which mainly uses Windows. So, while in Windows, I burned a USB drive with the latest Fedora image, using Rufus, making it bootable. So, The installation went well, but after the computer restarted, and the flash drive was taken out, no system came up. I've never seen that happen before, and Googling didn't give any answers, so I'm stuck between Vinux, and Arch. Vinux being okay I suppose, but out of date, and Arch being hard for me to install, without scripts although the ones I know of are broken, but Arch is what I like, because it has anything I ask of it. So I tried installing Fedora a few more times, formatting the drive, but no luck. Then I accidentally pulled the flash drive out of the USB drive for a moment, and when I pushed it back in, I couldq't load Orca when first starting up the installer, so the data on that drive is probably corrupted. So, any ideas? Should I just go with Vinux and deal with it? The last time I tried the instructions for installing Arch, I got stuck on setting the clock and such, because the results I got were not the results on the ge, so I'm just not sure what to do.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training at World Services for the BLIND, JAWS certified
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