Re: talking linux palm?

Re: talking linux palm?

[Jim Stevenson]

I know this is my second try, but I heard nothing.

I know linux can run on some palms.

Have any of you got it talking on which palms?

I heard a report on NPR about MIT media labs talking palm.

All my library, web, and phone searches to learn more or contact them 
yielded nothing.

If you must quote me, please put your comments first.

I have already listened to mine.
I read email with speech.
So it is not possible to scroll past the quotes without listening to them again,
to quickly get to the new information.

Thanks.

Re: talking linux palm?

[Luke Davis]

I have not yet done it myself, but it should work fine on the Ipaq.

Re: talking linux palm?

[Brent Harding]

Wow, how would you get a talking install? 
At 09:39 PM 11/21/01 -0500, you wrote:
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Re: talking linux palm?

[Luke Davis]

As I said, I do not know.  It will work after startup, but install, I have
no idea.  It is something I wanted to work with, but the money ran out
before I could buy an Ipaq.


On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> Wow, how would you get a talking install?
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Re: talking linux palm?

[nath31]

Hi,

I'm very interested to try the Ipaq with speech. But could you please give
me more info ? What range of Ipaq is compatible with speech and what
synthetiser to use with it ? I'm in france and here i never heard about a
such experience.
Thanks in advance for your precisions.
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: talking linux palm?


> As I said, I do not know.  It will work after startup, but install, I have
> no idea.  It is something I wanted to work with, but the money ran out
> before I could buy an Ipaq.
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
>
> > Wow, how would you get a talking install?
> > At 09:39 PM 11/21/01 -0500, you wrote:
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Re: talking linux palm?

[Stein Erik Skotkjerra]

Hi!

I am also very interested in finding an accessible PDA running linux. I've done some research, and the iPaq seems like a good choice. The h3600 is the most common model to run linux on. You can find more information at www.handhelds.org

There is a lite version of the Festival Software synthesizer already working on the iPaq. Look at:
http://speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/

Another problem will be getting emacs/emacspeak to work on the iPaq, but that shouldn't be inpossible. You would also have to purchase an external keyboard, as handwriting recognition isn't very easy to do without seeing the display :)

You can buy PDAs preloaded with linux from
http://www.xtops.de

The Samsung/G'Mate YOPY(http://www.yopy.com) and the Agenda VR3(http://www.agendacomputing.de) also seem to be alternatives, but the YOPY is expensive, and the VR3 has little memory and no external keyboard is yet available.

I am very interested in hearing if someone has ever tried something like this.

Regards,
Stein Erik Skotkjerra
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: talking linux palm?


> Hi,
> 
> I'm very interested to try the Ipaq with speech. But could you please give
> me more info ? What range of Ipaq is compatible with speech and what
> synthetiser to use with it ? I'm in france and here i never heard about a
> such experience.
> Thanks in advance for your precisions.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: talking linux palm?
> 
> 
> > As I said, I do not know.  It will work after startup, but install, I have
> > no idea.  It is something I wanted to work with, but the money ran out
> > before I could buy an Ipaq.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, how would you get a talking install?
> > > At 09:39 PM 11/21/01 -0500, you wrote:
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Re: talking linux palm?

[Mario Lang]

"Stein Erik Skotkjerra" <steines@va.enitel.no> writes:

> Hi!
>
> I am also very interested in finding an accessible PDA running linux.
> I've done some research, and the iPaq seems like a good choice.
> The h3600 is the most common model to run linux on.

That is certainly true. What did you find out about keyboards? I think
we really need a mini-keyboard for a PDA to be useable. And the iPAQ
just doesnt have one.

Right, as extension for external use. But is that really so good?

-- 
CYa,
  Mario

Re: talking linux palm?

[Rafael Skodlar]

On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 12:34:23PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote:
> "Stein Erik Skotkjerra" <steines@va.enitel.no> writes:
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > I am also very interested in finding an accessible PDA running linux.
> > I've done some research, and the iPaq seems like a good choice.
> > The h3600 is the most common model to run linux on.
> 
> That is certainly true. What did you find out about keyboards? I think
> we really need a mini-keyboard for a PDA to be useable. And the iPAQ
> just doesnt have one.
> 
> Right, as extension for external use. But is that really so good?
> 
> -- 
> CYa,
>   Mario


I had my hands on Sharp's Zaurus SL-5500 for a few moments recently and it
seem to be a nice Linux PDA.

Here are three excerpts from 
http://www.pdastreet.com/boards/LinuxPDAs/messages/118.html
press release in early December 2001:

"The Zaurus SL-5500 features Sharp?s high resolution color reflective LCD
screen technology, a cleverly designed integrated QWERTY keyboard with a
sliding cover, dual expansion with a Compact Flash? and Secure Digital
card slot, a powerful Intel&#61666; StrongARM® 206MHz processor, 64MB of
standard memory, and an MP3 and MPEG1 multimedia player offering
professional consumers and corporate users a next-generation mobile device
for all their business and personal needs, from mobile communications to
mobile multimedia and entertainment."

"The Zaurus SL-5500?s 64MB standard memory, 16MB Flash ROM, an
Intel&#61666; StrongARM® 206MHz processor and an integrated QWERTY
keyboard create a near in-office experience by making it quick and easy to
access, input and manage data remotely. In addition, the Linux®/Java?
platform allows for seamless integration with existing corporate
applications."

"The Zaurus also comes equipped with an extensive software applications
package. This includes Personal Information Management (PIM) software
(with address book, calendar, calculator, text editor, to do list and
clock with a built-in stopwatch) and a PC synchronization program for
Microsoft&#61666; Outlook&#61666;. A POP3/IMAP4/SMTP-capable email client,
Internet browser (displaying pages in HTML format) and an integrated Media
player (MP3 or MPEG1 files) are included in the Zaurus SL-5500 performance
package. To permit quick and easy data synchronization with PCs and
trouble-free connection with peripherals, the device also comes complete
with a docking station that features an integrated USB cable, A/C adaptor
and serial port."

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Re: talking linux palm?

[Mario Lang]

Rafael Skodlar <raffi@linwin.com> writes:

>> > I am also very interested in finding an accessible PDA running linux.
>> > I've done some research, and the iPaq seems like a good choice.
>> > The h3600 is the most common model to run linux on.
>> 
>> That is certainly true. What did you find out about keyboards? I think
>> we really need a mini-keyboard for a PDA to be useable. And the iPAQ
>> just doesnt have one.
>> 
>> Right, as extension for external use. But is that really so good?

> I had my hands on Sharp's Zaurus SL-5500 for a few moments recently and it
> seem to be a nice Linux PDA.
I also received that as an advice on #handhels.org on OPN.

Did you have a chance to test the internal speaker. Do you think it could be 
used with a speech synthesizer?

All things (software) are in place now, eflite works. flite is designed
for ARM architecture, and I believe Emacs is available for ARM.

So having some hardware, which can be used with debian, I'd start instantly.
Install eflite, flite, emasc, emascpeak. Prob is, that will not fit into
most roms (16mb is to small I believe). So you'd need a external
hard disk again, whcihc isnt that much fun.

Comments?

-- 
CYa,
  Mario

Re: talking linux palm?

[Rafael Skodlar]

On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 09:10:37PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote:
> Rafael Skodlar <raffi@linwin.com> writes:
> 
> >> > I am also very interested in finding an accessible PDA running linux.
> >> > I've done some research, and the iPaq seems like a good choice.
> >> > The h3600 is the most common model to run linux on.
> >> 
> >> That is certainly true. What did you find out about keyboards? I think
> >> we really need a mini-keyboard for a PDA to be useable. And the iPAQ
> >> just doesnt have one.
> >> 
> >> Right, as extension for external use. But is that really so good?
> 
> > I had my hands on Sharp's Zaurus SL-5500 for a few moments recently and it
> > seem to be a nice Linux PDA.
> I also received that as an advice on #handhels.org on OPN.
> 
> Did you have a chance to test the internal speaker. Do you think it could be 
> used with a speech synthesizer?

I only had it in my hands for about 5 minutes testing shell mostly after 
our regular Linux users meeting in Silicon Valley, CA.

Since the article claims that the PDA is able to handle MP3 or MPEG1 files 
there is a chance you could setup a speech synthesizer.

> All things (software) are in place now, eflite works. flite is designed
> for ARM architecture, and I believe Emacs is available for ARM.
> 
> So having some hardware, which can be used with debian, I'd start instantly.
> Install eflite, flite, emasc, emascpeak. Prob is, that will not fit into
> most roms (16mb is to small I believe). So you'd need a external
> hard disk again, whcihc isnt that much fun.

You can plug in large flash memory sticks I believe. They mention GPS and
other possible devices connected to this PDA via docking station that
featuring an integrated USB cable, A/C adaptor and serial port. That means 
one could connect braille devices and USB disk drives (floppy or hard 
drives).

> 
> Comments?
> 
> -- 
> CYa,
>   Mario

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Re: talking linux palm?

[Mike Gorse]

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Mario Lang wrote:

> So having some hardware, which can be used with debian, I'd start instantly.
> Install eflite, flite, emasc, emascpeak. Prob is, that will not fit into
> most roms (16mb is to small I believe). So you'd need a external
> hard disk again, whcihc isnt that much fun.
>
If it can take a card flash, then that should provide a sufficient amount
of storage.

Re: talking linux palm?

[Buddy Brannan]

How about YASR with the flite Emacspeak server? That oughta be small
enough, no? 

I'm personally a Speakup guy, but then you'd have the external synth
to contend with...
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Re: talking linux palm?

[Prasad Chaturvedula]

That's great. Sound like you have tried Flite on teh StrongARM architecture.
What is this eflite? How much memory do the speech libraries for flite take
up? You must ahev heard of a Linux PDA in themaking from India. IT is called
the Simputer. It has been designed with speech as primary outout but the
pain is that its primary input is a touch screen. However we hope that they
will get a variant with a keypad.  They have targeted computing in Indian
languages. So they don; t yet have an englih synth implemented on it.
Simputer alsouses the Strong ARM processor. If flite is being ported to ARM
it is good news for us.

Prasad

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Lang" <mlang@teleweb.at>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: talking linux palm?


> Rafael Skodlar <raffi@linwin.com> writes:
>
> >> > I am also very interested in finding an accessible PDA running linux.
> >> > I've done some research, and the iPaq seems like a good choice.
> >> > The h3600 is the most common model to run linux on.
> >>
> >> That is certainly true. What did you find out about keyboards? I think
> >> we really need a mini-keyboard for a PDA to be useable. And the iPAQ
> >> just doesnt have one.
> >>
> >> Right, as extension for external use. But is that really so good?
>
> > I had my hands on Sharp's Zaurus SL-5500 for a few moments recently and
it
> > seem to be a nice Linux PDA.
> I also received that as an advice on #handhels.org on OPN.
>
> Did you have a chance to test the internal speaker. Do you think it could
be
> used with a speech synthesizer?
>
> All things (software) are in place now, eflite works. flite is designed
> for ARM architecture, and I believe Emacs is available for ARM.
>
> So having some hardware, which can be used with debian, I'd start
instantly.
> Install eflite, flite, emasc, emascpeak. Prob is, that will not fit into
> most roms (16mb is to small I believe). So you'd need a external
> hard disk again, whcihc isnt that much fun.
>
> Comments?
>
> --
> CYa,
>   Mario
>
>
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Re: talking linux palm?

[Mario Lang]

Buddy Brannan <davros@ycardz.com> writes:

> How about YASR with the flite Emacspeak server? That oughta be small
> enough, no? 
Right, as a fallback solution it should work. I didn't look at YASR yet,
and I would prefer Emacspeak anyway, as I think its the
best integrated speech environment currently available
But thanks for the tip.

-- 
CYa,
  Mario

RE: talking linux palm?

[Joel Zimba]

there are keyboards  which snap onto the ipaq btw.

I don't remember if they act as a sleeve, or require the sleeve, but it
seems like the one I read about had added battery life
as well as adding pcmcia or cf flash (as in another slot and maybe bluetooth
or 802.11

I'm still not sure the keyboard is necessary.  when I can start hacking with
one... which has been put on hold for a while...
I don't think the scheme I've thought of for entering characters with the
finger or stylus would be that hard to implement...
especially if you mark 8 or 9 places on the screen...  actually making the
12 dots of a phone pad would work nicely as well, so numbers could be
faster.

plus it would keep things smaller.

musing,

joel

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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:50 AM
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: talking linux palm?


Buddy Brannan <davros@ycardz.com> writes:

> How about YASR with the flite Emacspeak server? That oughta be small
> enough, no?
Right, as a fallback solution it should work. I didn't look at YASR yet,
and I would prefer Emacspeak anyway, as I think its the
best integrated speech environment currently available
But thanks for the tip.

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Re: talking linux palm?

[Mario Lang]

"Joel Zimba" <jzimba@erols.com> writes:

> there are keyboards  which snap onto the ipaq btw.
Uhm, that sounds quite nice.  Do you have any link or product name?

Remaining problem is that we then pay for a screen we dont need.

That makes for additional size/weight too.

At least, we d need a reliable way of disabling the screen
completely, as it uses battery.

> I don't remember if they act as a sleeve, or require the sleeve, but it
> seems like the one I read about had added battery life
> as well as adding pcmcia or cf flash (as in another slot and maybe bluetooth
> or 802.11
CF + pcmcia is quite essential I think.

> I'm still not sure the keyboard is necessary.  when I can start hacking with
> one... which has been put on hold for a while...
> I don't think the scheme I've thought of for entering characters with the
> finger or stylus would be that hard to implement...
> especially if you mark 8 or 9 places on the screen...  actually making the
> 12 dots of a phone pad would work nicely as well, so numbers could be
> faster.
Interesting idea, but I wouldnt like to use that I think.
I prefer keyboards, no matter how small they are. I once typed a little
bit with the NOkia communicator which has a really small
keyboard. ANd it worked out quite well. You cant use
touch-typing of course, but with a little practice you end up
being quite fast.

Still, a device with mini-keyboard, without screen at all would be my perfect
system.


-- 
CYa,
  Mario

Re: talking linux palm?

[Mario Lang]

"Prasad Chaturvedula" <popra_31@yahoo.com> writes:

> That's great. Sound like you have tried Flite on teh StrongARM architecture.
I didn't try it myself, but I tried flite on i386 and I
talked to mandrake on opn who works for cepstral and is doing
ARM related flite work too there. You can fetch precompiled
flite binaries for the StrongARM from the flite site btw.

> What is this eflite?

Eflite is a emacspeak speech server for flite.
Works with YASR too I heard.

> How much memory do the speech libraries for flite take up?

The aim of flite is to minimize memory footprint, but I cant
give any exact figures right now. Maybe you can dig something out
on the flite website/documentation?


-- 
CYa,
  Mario

RE: talking linux palm?

[Joel Zimba]

Mario,

It would be nice to disable a screen completely...  you must realize though,
there's no good reason for there to be a mass-market device with no
screen... and just think how hard it would be to get your screen back on if
you inadvertently deactivated it. LOL

the hp3100 series is at least monochrome and much cheaper then the 3600.
the linux installer is now supposed to work the same way.
I'm sure they'll not make a mono 3800 model.  and soon that will be the only
device on the market.

I am watching the mail on the simputer list.  It sounds like their open
design might allow you to easily get a bunch of them with no screen or
something.

I'd still think a device which just happens to be perfectly usable by folks
who can't see a screen would be ideal.

the keyboar I mentioned may in fact be made by hp.  i'm pretty sure I saw it
on their site.

I'll have to check again.

J

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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:19 AM
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: talking linux palm?


"Joel Zimba" <jzimba@erols.com> writes:

> there are keyboards  which snap onto the ipaq btw.
Uhm, that sounds quite nice.  Do you have any link or product name?

Remaining problem is that we then pay for a screen we dont need.

That makes for additional size/weight too.

At least, we d need a reliable way of disabling the screen
completely, as it uses battery.

> I don't remember if they act as a sleeve, or require the sleeve, but it
> seems like the one I read about had added battery life
> as well as adding pcmcia or cf flash (as in another slot and maybe
bluetooth
> or 802.11
CF + pcmcia is quite essential I think.

> I'm still not sure the keyboard is necessary.  when I can start hacking
with
> one... which has been put on hold for a while...
> I don't think the scheme I've thought of for entering characters with the
> finger or stylus would be that hard to implement...
> especially if you mark 8 or 9 places on the screen...  actually making the
> 12 dots of a phone pad would work nicely as well, so numbers could be
> faster.
Interesting idea, but I wouldnt like to use that I think.
I prefer keyboards, no matter how small they are. I once typed a little
bit with the NOkia communicator which has a really small
keyboard. ANd it worked out quite well. You cant use
touch-typing of course, but with a little practice you end up
being quite fast.

Still, a device with mini-keyboard, without screen at all would be my
perfect
system.


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Re: talking linux palm?

[Prasad Chaturvedula]

Hi Joel,
    Same here. Waiting and hoping that teh simputer folks will come out with
a keypad design, which will benefit us.

Prasad

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From: "Joel Zimba" <jzimba@erols.com>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: talking linux palm?


> Mario,
>
> It would be nice to disable a screen completely...  you must realize
though,
> there's no good reason for there to be a mass-market device with no
> screen... and just think how hard it would be to get your screen back on
if
> you inadvertently deactivated it. LOL
>
> the hp3100 series is at least monochrome and much cheaper then the 3600.
> the linux installer is now supposed to work the same way.
> I'm sure they'll not make a mono 3800 model.  and soon that will be the
only
> device on the market.
>
> I am watching the mail on the simputer list.  It sounds like their open
> design might allow you to easily get a bunch of them with no screen or
> something.
>
> I'd still think a device which just happens to be perfectly usable by
folks
> who can't see a screen would be ideal.
>
> the keyboar I mentioned may in fact be made by hp.  i'm pretty sure I saw
it
> on their site.
>
> I'll have to check again.
>
> J
>
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> [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mario Lang
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:19 AM
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: talking linux palm?
>
>
> "Joel Zimba" <jzimba@erols.com> writes:
>
> > there are keyboards  which snap onto the ipaq btw.
> Uhm, that sounds quite nice.  Do you have any link or product name?
>
> Remaining problem is that we then pay for a screen we dont need.
>
> That makes for additional size/weight too.
>
> At least, we d need a reliable way of disabling the screen
> completely, as it uses battery.
>
> > I don't remember if they act as a sleeve, or require the sleeve, but it
> > seems like the one I read about had added battery life
> > as well as adding pcmcia or cf flash (as in another slot and maybe
> bluetooth
> > or 802.11
> CF + pcmcia is quite essential I think.
>
> > I'm still not sure the keyboard is necessary.  when I can start hacking
> with
> > one... which has been put on hold for a while...
> > I don't think the scheme I've thought of for entering characters with
the
> > finger or stylus would be that hard to implement...
> > especially if you mark 8 or 9 places on the screen...  actually making
the
> > 12 dots of a phone pad would work nicely as well, so numbers could be
> > faster.
> Interesting idea, but I wouldnt like to use that I think.
> I prefer keyboards, no matter how small they are. I once typed a little
> bit with the NOkia communicator which has a really small
> keyboard. ANd it worked out quite well. You cant use
> touch-typing of course, but with a little practice you end up
> being quite fast.
>
> Still, a device with mini-keyboard, without screen at all would be my
> perfect
> system.
>
>
> --
> CYa,
>   Mario
>
>
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