From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.4]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 01IEHWUc024959 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:17:32 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 3C5DE215AB05; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast05.extmail.prod.ext.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.55.21]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3798E2026D69 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com [205.139.110.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C90A9801E70 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dkim.mimecast.com; s=201903; t=1582035449; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=GN3ASDufBzYl3LdMLpJ/CFgNUfVB3Yai04DD56QJrDs=; b=L5V6xbULF+iB8rXPXtHzM2Lor7aNIiI0Wp04M4VEM01E2KPFzNETAd4RBfRnqtcVUY4H1B KIZulIF2XwErfQz9eE/RFnhqCs2lB4PnGg8PUAAd7fE1G5UliFKG2W+FeUoijbnIm6dFU/ zVEQHy50LYIxKBcjzwzLy7OZ4haemPu00Q4uz5Y3GMHFDo44UxUehCkTtoBSAGK6PQbINg V2H4RcG4W1rv4O4N9qQQstUSyPcHtCflItelu8QmGForLq4ph18dyJ/4JYAGxz+dpDP1GP yEyDBnGNpT7G42tIWX2TWofQvE1Pwe4eCAyZjvXLd86511Na/RaO91sCteAPvg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=201903; d=dkim.mimecast.com; t=1582035449; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GQ/uPlflQ6IGn0V6+6U6B7HFybwV3F0Ute0rSKlZA7+nswvNIIYJs/8Yb4hcQ9UBLB0tQj e9yJAWV0EjcGfZdxQlaYpQpg8+KcrWo8YBWUQuG96wohZVckJqNbk/Po+gfJfy1vNFBy4P ap+A79msvOugDmEcZra4VwpZaN5GrK2/+zhceVfFOAcNJMPeDPMPZ/6Upi6+pv4TB50/vW 1lpZ1jLySt2hquPbrS/GxLb+QUFNGBIZcQRhWkwfC4ggKlexMdq8lEiHPxnSP1yKIlLMv9 8QJfX+z8klL2FYEQwXFKlxxRno6dQWVRUF6me11MGdf6u1e2yEmNzJn79z8pmA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=none (relay.mimecast.com: domain of appartement.cdm@free.fr has no SPF policy when checking 212.27.42.4) smtp.mailfrom=appartement.cdm@free.fr Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-72-baspMwvtMYG0VqMUmYjKdw-1; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:17:26 -0500 Received: from darkstar.slint.fr (unknown [176.172.247.100]) (Authenticated sender: appartement.cdm) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DEF0B19F5CD for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:17:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: early warning I hope To: blinux-list@redhat.com References: Message-ID: <85a0492b-09f3-88d9-4a9d-4ba69ad6830c@free.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:17:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: fr X-MC-Unique: baspMwvtMYG0VqMUmYjKdw-1 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=none (relay.mimecast.com: domain of appartement.cdm@free.fr has no SPF policy when checking 212.27.42.4) smtp.mailfrom=appartement.cdm@free.fr X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 01IEHWUc024959 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:17:32 -0000 Hello, Didier Spaier, Slint maintainer here. Slint is the most accessible Linux distribution out of the box. It can be installed wihout any sighted help, at least by someone not afraid to type a few commands and read these documents before installing: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README.installation http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/Accessibility/Accessibility I will be happy to hear differing opinions, as long as they come from blind people who tried to install and use Slint Best regards, Didier   Le 18/02/2020 à 15:04, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > I've never used Arch or any of its derivatives, so I can't really help > with the original poster's problem... though I would've thought the > old Kernel would've been left in place and sighted assistence could be > used to select it from GRUB or whatever alternative boot loader one is > using. > > I do find the harsh criticism of Arch as an accessible Linux option > and the recommendation of Debian Stable and Ubuntu instead a bit > eyebrow raising though. Seems like half the issues people have on the > Orca Mailing list come down to Debian Stable and Ubuntu(and especially > 18.04) having out-of-date accessibility stacks, and from what I've > heard over the years from various sources, Arch seems to be the most > popular alternative to Debian as a base for custom, > accessibility-focused distros. > > Admittedly, I'd probably recommend Debian stable to a sighted Linux > newbie, but accessibility is one area where Debian's focus on > stability over cutting edge does more harm than good... I'd probably > recommend Knoppix running in Adriane mode to a blind person interested > in learning Linux, but it's been years since there were any official > Knoppix images with Adriane as the default boot option, and while it's > a one line edit to a single text file within the ISO to make Adriane > the default, I know no means of directly editing an ISO, and the > method I've been using to make Adriane DVDs of mount, copy, edit, > rebuild, burn is rather involved... Plus, Knoppix is only really > designed with live use in mind, so while it's amazing for system > rescue or having a portable copy of Linux, it's not the best for a > primary OS. > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >