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[209.147.138.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z22sm1960591pfd.158.2018.03.01.15.10.15 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 16:10:14 -0700 References: <24FDDE40-3794-4520-9874-81EB33496800@icloud.com> <20180301223610.GG5162@rednote.net> To: Linux for blind general discussion In-Reply-To: <20180301223610.GG5162@rednote.net> Message-Id: <7B79D680-ED1D-4363-A3F3-10B90D3D4EF3@gmail.com> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:10:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:10:17 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.160.49' DOMAIN:'mail-pl0-f49.google.com' HELO:'mail-pl0-f49.google.com' FROM:'bryan0731@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0.121 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS) 209.85.160.49 mail-pl0-f49.google.com 209.85.160.49 mail-pl0-f49.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.28 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:10:22 -0000 I agree VoiceOver does require a lot to interact with navigation = commands but the speech output is amazing. Also I only ever use a laptop = so I do not use a num pad with my machine. Another thing I will add in = all this is that we all will be a bit partial or bias toward the OS, = screen reader or tools we use so as long as we keep in mind everything = we post is meant to share our personal opinions it is all useful = information. I like to hear how Linux users do what they do so I hope my = perspective on Mac is equally as useful to someone else.=20 Bryan Duarte | software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student IGERT Fellow Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology (APAcT) Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab) National Federation of the Blind of Arizona | Affiliate Board Member National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona Association of Blind Students | President Phone: 480-652-3045 > On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion = wrote: >=20 > Oh, yes, one can do this with Voice Over, but it's so very, very > cumbersome compared to using Speakup's numeric keypad screen review. >=20 > I just don't have all day to fuss with VO. Just my experience. >=20 > Janina >=20 > Linux for blind general discussion writes: >> -eric, >>=20 >> I honestly do not have any special software or configerations to = interact with the Unix console. I have noticed that each person who is = having issues with the Mac terminal have in common. Remember Voiceover = requires that you use the VoiceOver keys to navigate the VoiceOver = cursor. It is similar to the flat review in Linux but uses different = keys. You have to hold down the CTRL + CMD keys to move the cursor. In = addition to these keys you have to make sure you are interacting with = the terminal window. VoiceOver requires that you are "interacting" with = windows for VoiceOver to read the contents of that window. To do this = you press the Shift key + CTRL + CMD + the down arrow. In terms of the = terminal window you would listen for "Shell" and perform the interaction = command. =46rom this point you would use the VoiceOver navigation = commands to move around the stdout including the man pages.=20 >>=20 >> To interact with the man pages simply execute the man page you are = interested in then use the above commands to read it. Once you have read = the currently displayed page you would press the space bar to bring up = the next section of the man page. You can tell if there is additional = pages not being displayed because at the bottom there will be a : = displayed letting you know there are more pages to show. To exit the man = pages you would simply type the letter q. I typically will execute this = command to have more control of the man docs and can review them later. >> $ man grep >> grep.txt >>=20 >> I am sure you understand what that is doing but in case someone does = not it is basically redirecting the stdout from the man command to a = file named grep.txt. I then will use vim or cat to read the = documentation. Hope this helps >> Bryan Duarte | software engineer >>=20 >> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student >> IGERT Fellow >> Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology (APAcT) >> Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab) >> National Federation of the Blind of Arizona | Affiliate Board Member >> National Association of Blind Students | Board Member >> Arizona Association of Blind Students | President >> Phone: 480-652-3045 >>=20 >>> On Feb 28, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion = wrote: >>>=20 >>> -eric >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Janina Sajka >=20 > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >=20 > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative = (WAI) > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures = http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list