From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wAJM44qB009122 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:04:04 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 8228A6012B; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx09.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76387600D7 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay07.ispgateway.de (smtprelay07.ispgateway.de [134.119.228.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B621D394D21 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [95.90.218.45] (helo=[192.168.178.20]) by smtprelay07.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gOre8-00036f-MG for blinux-list@redhat.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:03:56 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:03:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Other accessible terminal emulation Message-Id: <5A6FBBE2-3CC6-4CD7-BE12-4FB617D7F4D0@linux-a11y.org> References: <20181119170151.Horde.JqbST3lETIe-QJrHTikouw1@webmail.df.eu> In-Reply-To: To: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, Sender IP whitelisted by DNSRBL, ACL 216 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:04:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:04:00 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'134.119.228.101' DOMAIN:'smtprelay07.ispgateway.de' HELO:'smtprelay07.ispgateway.de' FROM:'chrys@linux-a11y.org' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.699 (HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS) 134.119.228.101 smtprelay07.ispgateway.de 134.119.228.101 smtprelay07.ispgateway.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.38 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:04:04 -0000 Howdy, > Well what does the -E option and=20 For Fenrir -e and -E it starts with PTY emulation. -e is watching for termin= al escape sequences for shortcuts; -E does the same but grabs the shortcuts f= rom EVDEV (linux event device) - it allows a typical shortcut layout but it l= imits fenrir to be single instance (only one application can have exclusive a= ccess to EVDEV), escape sequences are depending on the used terminal and it l= imits shortcuts to the set of possible sequences (example ^e for CTRL + e) > why would I use it in a window > manager? The question was about speaking terminal emulators, so i suggested an graphi= cal environment here. I have user what uses orca for guy apps and fenrir for= its terminal emulation window. Biggest reason for most is better handling o= f complex text applications, some restart speaking after pressing a key and o= ther bugs like that. Fenrir behaves equal on all text environments. Another r= eason is it has more functionality that is tuned for an text environment lik= e speak indentation changes (useful for python hacker), hilight mode, spellc= hecker, a concept i call barrier mode (respects the ascii pseudo windows), s= ound icons, attribute handling , A say all and table review mode (navigate p= er cell or line an speak headline bevor each cell content is in WIP. Stuff l= ike that... > Also would someone be able to > tell me how in the world I install qtatspi for qt accessibility?=20 What distro is used here? I never used jack, so sorry :/ can't with that. Cheers chrys > Am 19.11.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion : >=20 > Well what does the -E option and why would I use it in a window > manager? I would allready be using orca. Also would someone be able to > tell me how in the world I install qtatspi for qt accessibility? Also > does anyone have any recordings of how to use jack? >=20 >> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion w= rote: >> Fenrir is a text-mode, userspace screen reader written in Python. I >> haven't used it myself, but its gaining popularity as an alternative >> to espeakup. The two biggest pros I've heard is that, as a user space >> application, it doesn't require a kernel module(espeakup requires the >> speakup kernel module) and should thus be easier to setup on distros >> that don't ship staging modules in their default kernels(speakup has >> been trapped in staging for years and has little chance of graduating >> to kernel main short of a complete rewrite as I understand it) and >> built-in support for Unicode(arguably of limited use for >> English-speaking users, but could be vital to those whose native >> language uses a non-Latin Alphabet). >>=20 >> Also, previous messages in this thread would suggest it works just as >> well in a Terminal Emulator as from the terminal itself, which I don't >> believe I've heard suggest of espeakup or SBL, the latter which I use >> for terminal speech myself(I only run X for Firefox, so I can't >> comment on the question of Terminal Emulators). >>=20 >> No idea why Fenrir is named after the Wolf from Norse mythology, >> especially since its traditional to name screen readers after marine >> animals and this is the only screen reader I know of with a non-marine >> animal-based name. >>=20 >> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion >> wrote: >>> What is fenrir? >>>=20 >>> On 11/19/18, Linux for blind general discussion = >>> wrote: >>>> Howdy, >>>>=20 >>>> gnome-terminal works as well. >>>>=20 >>>> you also can use fenrir to make an terminal emulator accessible by >>>> starting it with: >>>> fenrir -e (for using escape sequence shortcuts) >>>> sudo fenrir -E (using evdev, can only run once) >>>>=20 >>>> cheers chrys >>>> Zitat von Linux for blind general discussion : >>>>=20 >>>>> Is there any other accessible terminal emulators besides using mate >>>>> terminal in a window manager? >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Sincerely, >>=20 >> Jeffery Wright >> Bachelor of Computer Science >> President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list