From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5GGHnoE021259 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:17:50 -0400 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id ECEE291283; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E53C89128B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-m017e.mx.aol.com (omr-m017e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B057C80489 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:17:46 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com B057C80489 Authentication-Results: ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=verizon.net Authentication-Results: ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mx1.redhat.com B057C80489 Received: from mtaout-mba02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mba02.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.110]) by omr-m017e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4E45E380009A for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e335d [71.174.187.41]) by mtaout-mba02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id A04773800008B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: working with nano To: blinux-list@redhat.com References: Message-ID: <42cf078b-c1a9-8184-1a51-930e9fa07103@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:17:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856e594404a808aa X-AOL-IP: 71.174.187.41 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, Sender IP whitelisted by DNSRBL, ACL 203 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:17:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:17:47 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'204.29.186.19' DOMAIN:'omr-m017e.mx.aol.com' HELO:'omr-m017e.mx.aol.com' FROM:'albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 2.289 ** (BAYES_99, BAYES_999, DCC_REPUT_00_12, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_PASS) 204.29.186.19 omr-m017e.mx.aol.com 204.29.186.19 omr-m017e.mx.aol.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.28 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:17:50 -0000 Yes, this thread is interesting. I think I'll try some of what people have suggested. I've tried nano a few times, but I clearly didn't find all the places where I could learn to make it do more of what I wanted. In 1979, the only thing I knew about computers was that I didn't have one. I was in school for another line of work. My serious time on computers began in the spring of 1989, and I got at least half-seriously into Linux in around 2005. At that time, such editing as I did was using emacs, but mostly I've used vim. Anyway, I appreciate the info on this thread. Al On 06/16/2017 11:24 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using > unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix > and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since > since it is so common. > > Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working > group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and > finally Linux and I kept using vi. > > To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating > application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time > to fix it. > > I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do > something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too > complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing > the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number > on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. > > As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to > fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and > breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear > > "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim > fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on > the task at hand. > > Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if > I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix > machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and > realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and > didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use > nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. > It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather > than hassling somebody over basically nothing. > > When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP > hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the > terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These > are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly > better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 > on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. > > By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a > lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up > hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. > > Martin McCormick > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >