file managers

file managers

[Tyler Spivey]

Before I go out on a limb and write my own file manager, what file
managers do you all use/recommend?
I don't want to re-invent the wheel unless I have to.
I also posted this to the speakup list a few days ago, but am wondering
your oppinions.
I remember the old Talking Directory for dos - it was limited, but it
worked - in its own sort of way.

Re: file managers

[Lee_Maschmeyer]

On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:26:35PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> Before I go out on a limb and write my own file manager, what file
> managers do you all use/recommend?

Duh... What do you want it to do?

For a point and shoot interface to deleting files I use either emacs
or lynx. Not being familiar with Talking Directory, and presumably
having a limited imagination, I for one might find a list of
requirements enlightening...

-- 

Lee Maschmeyer
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"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear
to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than
what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
     --Lewis Carroll

Re: file managers

[Chris Norman]

Isn't LynX a web browser?

Cheers,

Chris Norman.

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> On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:26:35PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> Before I go out on a limb and write my own file manager, what file
>> managers do you all use/recommend?
> 
> Duh... What do you want it to do?
> 
> For a point and shoot interface to deleting files I use either emacs
> or lynx. Not being familiar with Talking Directory, and presumably
> having a limited imagination, I for one might find a list of
> requirements enlightening...
> 
> -- 
> 
> Lee Maschmeyer
> <lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu>
> 
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Re: file managers

[Lee_Maschmeyer]

Yes, Lynx is a web browser, but if you open it to the current
directory it lists all your files and you can issue commands against
them. I have mine set up so if I don't give a web site it displays the
current directory. In /etc/lynx-site.cfg I have:

STARTFILE:. # Start in current directory

As I reread my earlier response it strikes me as a bit harsh. I did
not mean it to be; I just wanted to have some idea of what a "file
manager" does. As I said, I've got a limited imagination. About the
only thing such programs as Lynx and Emacs don't provide is a recycle
bin, and someone earlier this year suggested an alias for rm that
should do the trick. Don't remember exactly what it was but shouldn't
be too hard to create.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:15:52PM +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
> Isn't LynX a web browser?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman.
> 
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> 
> 
> >On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:26:35PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> >>Before I go out on a limb and write my own file manager, what file
> >>managers do you all use/recommend?
> >
> >Duh... What do you want it to do?
> >
> >For a point and shoot interface to deleting files I use either emacs
> >or lynx. Not being familiar with Talking Directory, and presumably
> >having a limited imagination, I for one might find a list of
> >requirements enlightening...
> >

-- 

Lee Maschmeyer
<lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu>

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear
to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than
what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
     --Lewis Carroll

Re: file managers

[Chris Norman]

How do you issue the commands against the files?

I mean, is it "d" to delete or "CTRL+X" to move like in windows?

I'm interested, I haven't actually installed Linux yet, but my mum says I 
had a hardware synthesizer come with my HAL (for windows), so I should be on 
the road, but in the interim, I'm gathering all the information I can.

Cheers,

Chris Norman.

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Subject: Re: file managers


> Yes, Lynx is a web browser, but if you open it to the current
> directory it lists all your files and you can issue commands against
> them. I have mine set up so if I don't give a web site it displays the
> current directory. In /etc/lynx-site.cfg I have:
>
> STARTFILE:. # Start in current directory
>
> As I reread my earlier response it strikes me as a bit harsh. I did
> not mean it to be; I just wanted to have some idea of what a "file
> manager" does. As I said, I've got a limited imagination. About the
> only thing such programs as Lynx and Emacs don't provide is a recycle
> bin, and someone earlier this year suggested an alias for rm that
> should do the trick. Don't remember exactly what it was but shouldn't
> be too hard to create.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:15:52PM +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
>> Isn't LynX a web browser?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman.
>>
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>> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: file managers
>>
>>
>> >On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:26:35PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> >>Before I go out on a limb and write my own file manager, what file
>> >>managers do you all use/recommend?
>> >
>> >Duh... What do you want it to do?
>> >
>> >For a point and shoot interface to deleting files I use either emacs
>> >or lynx. Not being familiar with Talking Directory, and presumably
>> >having a limited imagination, I for one might find a list of
>> >requirements enlightening...
>> >
>
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Re: file managers

[Lee_Maschmeyer]

A good way to get started at this point might be to install Cygwin on
your Windows system (www.cygwin.com - it's free despite the
.com). Since I'm a braille only user I'm not sure how smoothly it'll
talk, nor do I know what screenreader you're used to, but it should be
usable if not beautiful. Once you get Cygwin going you can use the man
command to read the manuals.

Which is a cop out way of saying I don't remember exactly. It's not
ctrl-x; might be d or del or maybe D. But it's doable. The fact that I
don't remember right offhand means it's not really that important to
me. :-)

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:46:50PM +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
> How do you issue the commands against the files?
> 
> I mean, is it "d" to delete or "CTRL+X" to move like in windows?
> 
> I'm interested, I haven't actually installed Linux yet, but my mum says I 
> had a hardware synthesizer come with my HAL (for windows), so I should be 
> on the road, but in the interim, I'm gathering all the information I can.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman.
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu>
> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: file managers
> 
> 
> >Yes, Lynx is a web browser, but if you open it to the current
> >directory it lists all your files and you can issue commands against
> >them. I have mine set up so if I don't give a web site it displays the
> >current directory. In /etc/lynx-site.cfg I have:
> >
> >STARTFILE:. # Start in current directory
> >
> >As I reread my earlier response it strikes me as a bit harsh. I did
> >not mean it to be; I just wanted to have some idea of what a "file
> >manager" does. As I said, I've got a limited imagination. About the
> >only thing such programs as Lynx and Emacs don't provide is a recycle
> >bin, and someone earlier this year suggested an alias for rm that
> >should do the trick. Don't remember exactly what it was but shouldn't
> >be too hard to create.
> >
> >On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:15:52PM +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
> >>Isn't LynX a web browser?
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Chris Norman.
> >>
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> >>From: <Lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu>
> >>To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:02 PM
> >>Subject: Re: file managers
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:26:35PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> >>>>Before I go out on a limb and write my own file manager, what file
> >>>>managers do you all use/recommend?
> >>>
> >>>Duh... What do you want it to do?
> >>>
> >>>For a point and shoot interface to deleting files I use either emacs
> >>>or lynx. Not being familiar with Talking Directory, and presumably
> >>>having a limited imagination, I for one might find a list of
> >>>requirements enlightening...
> >>>
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Lee Maschmeyer
> ><lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu>
> >
> >"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear
> >to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than
> >what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
> >    --Lewis Carroll
> >
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And I've been achingly, agonizingly empty these many years...
And I've only had two beers."
     --Bob and Ray

Re: file managers

[Tim Chase]

> It's not ctrl-x; might be d or del or maybe D. But it's 
> doable.


In Lynx's "dir-edit" mode, you can use "R" to Remove a file (or,
if you've tagged multiple files, it may be able to remove them
all).  Help on dir-edit mode can be found at

http://focus.hut.fi/docs/lynx/lynx_help/keystroke_commands/dired_help.html

Hope this helps,

-tim

Re: file managers

[Janina Sajka]

Awesome. I've used lynx for fifteen years, but I had never realized
this. Multiple files can indeed by retagged and removed this way. And,
I'm pleased to report that Fedora, at least, compiles lynx with dired
mode enabled.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Tim Chase writes:
> >It's not ctrl-x; might be d or del or maybe D. But it's 
> >doable.
> 
> 
> In Lynx's "dir-edit" mode, you can use "R" to Remove a file (or,
> if you've tagged multiple files, it may be able to remove them
> all).  Help on dir-edit mode can be found at
> 
> http://focus.hut.fi/docs/lynx/lynx_help/keystroke_commands/dired_help.html
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> -tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: file managers

[Tim Chase]

> Awesome. I've used lynx for fifteen years, but I had never 
> realized this.

There are loads of little things that I usually tweak in my
standard lynx.cfg file.  I usually kick it into VI-keys mode so
that h/j/k/l act as arrow keys, but then I found that if I hit
"j" or "k" a bunch of times and stumbled across a text-entry
field, it would leave a stream of "j" or "k" characters.  I
almost switched back to using regular arrows or [dons his
asbestos suit] ::shudder:: switch to Emacs-keys. (grins, ducks
and runs...can you tell I'm a Vi/Vim junkie?)  However, Lynx has
an option in the lynx.cfg that isn't exposed through the Options
screen, called TEXTFIELDS_NEED_ACTIVATION which prevents the
problem.  To edit a text field, you simply press enter on it.
Voila!  VI-keys work again.

On top of that, if you have more than a small bit of text, you
can invoke your $EDITOR using either control+x followed by "e" or
alt+e while editing. Another nice touch for us vim junkies.

I additionally fly with my LINKS_AND_FIELDS_ARE_NUMBERED option
set so that I can jump to links by just typing the link number.
This also allows one to follow the number with the letter "g" to
simply "go to the link on the page" without actually following it
(which just typing the link-number alone does).  On top of that,
you can type a number and follow it by the letter "p" to jump to
that page number.  This is really handy for those long documents
and you know the stuff you want is around page 50, you just type
"50p" and hit enter.

This with "advanced user" mode (to free up the jibberish at the
bottom of the screen) makes for pretty smooth sailing in Lynx for
me.  Hopefully some of this helps you surf better/faster/longer.
(grins)

> Thanks for pointing this out.

My pleasure...you've given plenty of great advice on the
list...I'm glad to return the favor.

-tim

Re: file managers

[Lee_Maschmeyer]

Tim et al,

Very interesting stuff. Since PCs have arrow keys and since vim uses
them, using hjkl for arrows doesn't turn me on, and I found that
numbering links and buttons distorted the page format (I use braille);
but I might try it again sometime...

One thing I do is in my .bashrc file define an alias:

alias lynx='lynx -show_cursor'

That way I'm not at sea every time I install a new system.

-- 

Lee Maschmeyer
<lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu>

"The rain has turned to tears,
And I've been achingly, agonizingly empty these many years...
And I've only had two beers."
     --Bob and Ray

Re: file managers

[Dave Mielke]

[quoted lines by Lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu on 2005/08/03 at 09:41 -0400]

>One thing I do is in my .bashrc file define an alias:
>
>alias lynx='lynx -show_cursor'

You can make that setting permanent from within lynx's options page. Press o to
get there, and make sure you check "save settings to disk" (or something like
that) before exiting it.

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Re: file managers

[Tim Chase]

> One thing I do is in my .bashrc file define an alias:
> 
> alias lynx='lynx -show_cursor'

There's supposedly a SHOW_CURSOR option you can have in your
lynx.cfg file that would do the same thing.  This might also be
helpful in case you launch lynx from other programs (other than
bash) from which the alias isn't around.  I presume it works--I'm
away from my Linux box at the moment (and the two to which I have
ssh access don't have lynx-the-cat) where I can test it, and it
looks like the Dos version I have here on my Win2k box has it by
default (or I set it so long ago that I've forgotten).

-tim

Re: file managers

[Lee_Maschmeyer]

But to do that you have to have an arrow cursor. Using an alias I get
Lynx working as soon as I port my .bashrc file and I don't have to
remember the exact phrase. <grin>

On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:52:51AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote:
> [quoted lines by Lee_Maschmeyer@wayne.edu on 2005/08/03 at 09:41 -0400]
> 
> >One thing I do is in my .bashrc file define an alias:
> >
> >alias lynx='lynx -show_cursor'
> 
> You can make that setting permanent from within lynx's options page. Press o to
> get there, and make sure you check "save settings to disk" (or something like
> that) before exiting it.
 
-- 

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"The rain has turned to tears,
And I've been achingly, agonizingly empty these many years...
And I've only had two beers."
     --Bob and Ray

file managers

[Karl Dahlke]

Though not as powerful as the drag&drop, right click properties, etc,
file managers; I find that edbrowse in directory mode meets my needs
most of the time.

Karl Dahlke