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[149.169.252.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e83sm28850081pfk.148.2018.03.05.13.07.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 13:07:36 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 14:07:33 -0700 References: <20180228085238.GG25455@v.cs-x.de> <20180228162147.GB5162@rednote.net> <20180305153623.GB9447@v.cs-x.de> To: Linux for blind general discussion In-Reply-To: <20180305153623.GB9447@v.cs-x.de> Message-Id: <3CB6F160-6F39-41CD-9F39-34335246609E@gmail.com> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.29]); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:07:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.29]); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:07:38 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.192.178' DOMAIN:'mail-pf0-f178.google.com' HELO:'mail-pf0-f178.google.com' FROM:'bryan0731@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0.14 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_PASS) 209.85.192.178 mail-pf0-f178.google.com 209.85.192.178 mail-pf0-f178.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.29 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.13 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:07:48 -0000 I would be curious to hear how you were successful in using a virtual = box to run any other operating system when using a screen reader to = interact with your machine? I have tried VMware Fusion on my Mac, = Virtualbox, and Parallels with absolutely no great success. Virtualbox = is completely inaccessible, Parallels only has a visual install process, = and VMware fusion even through it was able to be installed and ran I was = finding that no matter what I did some how the key commands I was = issuing to my virtual machine acted as OS commands and took me out of th = virtual machine. If you were in deed able to run a virtual instance of = Linux on a Mac and rely on a screen reader for computer interaction I = would be curious as to how you got it to work.=20 I agree Voiceover does lose focus of the terminal windo pretty often but = I do not see much difference between issuing one command to interact = with the shell or to enter flat review. One thing I did like about Orca = was that when you issue the command in the console it begins reading = from the top but just as with any other screen reader once you stop the = speech it just places your cursor at the bottom of the output window. I have not used speakup before but at some point I will have to find the = packages to get it on my Ubuntu box. I appreciate Orca for some things = but it is not enough as a stand alone tool in my opinion. It would be = great for someone to post some configerations of their Ubuntu box which = uses Orca, Speakup, and whatever tools they use to make their machine = the most efficient for the desktop, terminal, and with speech output. = Thanks Bryan Duarte | software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student IGERT Fellow Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology (APAcT) Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab) National Federation of the Blind of Arizona | Affiliate Board Member National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona Association of Blind Students | President Phone: 480-652-3045 > On Mar 5, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Linux for blind general discussion = wrote: >=20 > Hi Janina and all, >=20 > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:21:47AM -0500, Linux for blind general = discussion wrote: >>> 2. You said "After using a Mac for a few weeks at work I was very = disappointed.=20 >>> Especialy the VoiceOver support in the terminal is not more then=20 >>> rudimentary compared to the things you can do with a screenreader on = a=20 >>> linux system." >>>=20 >> This is my experience precisely with my Mac Airbook. >>=20 >> In fact, while traveling with only the Airbook, I would ssh from a >> VMware Linux session into my Mac to do Mac terminal tasks, because of >> the superior screen reader support. >=20 > I also did it that way and installed a VM with Debian in VMware Fusion=20= > to get my tasks, that needed to be done in a terminal, done on my Mac=20= > Book Air. >=20 >> As noted above, braille would viciate my statement. I'm speaking of = TTS >> only interfacing. >=20 > Me too. Because I learned braille when I was 15 years old, tts is much=20= > more important to me than braille. I only use braille when programming=20= > or to format text. >=20 > VoiceOver might have a nicer voice then speakup, espeak or other linux=20= > screenreaders, but navigating the screen is much mor difficult. Also = VO=20 > very ofthen looses focus, is overloaded with much output of the = console,=20 > e.g., and I have not found any settings on my Mac to make those things=20= > better. >=20 > Ciao, >=20 > Schoepp >=20 > --=20 > Christian Schoepplein - - = http://schoeppi.net >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list