isa to pci card adapter?

isa to pci card adapter?

[Brent Harding]

		Is there any adapter type devices out that will allow an isa card to work
in a pci slot? I mean, something like stick the isa card in to a card that
you put in to the pci slot?

Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Rafael]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:51:25PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> 		Is there any adapter type devices out that will allow an isa card to work
> in a pci slot? I mean, something like stick the isa card in to a card that
> you put in to the pci slot?
> 
> 

Very unlikely IMO. I follow computer hardware to some degree and haven't
seen anything like that so far.

The bus protocol, voltage for some lines, and logic are very different for
ISA or PCI so it's easier to just get the PCI card. Systems come with PCI
chipsets which have a bridge for ISA bus to support legacy systems but
that's done on the motherboard. While theoreticaly possible it would not
get very far in practice due to mechanical issues with it. You don't have
enough space and the right brackets to accomodate such an arangement.

Depending on what you want to do, there might be an easier solution to 
your problem.

-- 
Rafael

Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Brent,

Since PCI slots are physically smaller than ISA slots, I seriously doubt 
this is possible.

Regards.

At 07:51 PM 12/12/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>                 Is there any adapter type devices out that will allow an 
> isa card to work
>in a pci slot? I mean, something like stick the isa card in to a card that
>you put in to the pci slot?
>
>
>
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Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Brent Harding]

I want to continue using hardware speech as long as possible, namely my
double talk PC as the tripple talk pci isn't linux compatible. I'm getting
a strange problem in windows, where if I type a long enough message, I'll
get a loud continuous sound that changes pitch as you type through the PC
speaker, making the assumption this mother board may not go much further.
At 06:17 PM 12/12/01 -0800, you wrote:
>On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:51:25PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> 		Is there any adapter type devices out that will allow an isa card to work
>> in a pci slot? I mean, something like stick the isa card in to a card that
>> you put in to the pci slot?
>> 
>> 
>
>Very unlikely IMO. I follow computer hardware to some degree and haven't
>seen anything like that so far.
>
>The bus protocol, voltage for some lines, and logic are very different for
>ISA or PCI so it's easier to just get the PCI card. Systems come with PCI
>chipsets which have a bridge for ISA bus to support legacy systems but
>that's done on the motherboard. While theoreticaly possible it would not
>get very far in practice due to mechanical issues with it. You don't have
>enough space and the right brackets to accomodate such an arangement.
>
>Depending on what you want to do, there might be an easier solution to 
>your problem.
>
>-- 
>Rafael
>
>
>
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Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Rafael]

keeping old ISA based peripherals and interfaces around is not an issue
yet. New motherboards still come with ISA bus. Depending on your computer 
case you can choose betwen ATX style and older PC AT style motherboards 
and power supplies. In case you want to upgrade or need to replace the 
motherboard because of HW problems, I would suggest to migrate to ATX 
style systems to keep you up to date for the next 5 to 10 years.

Tyan motherboard http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinitykta.html for 
example, has one ISA slot that you could use for legacy card.

On the higher end would be Supermicro
http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/RCC_LE/S2DL3.htm
with ethernet and SCSI build in.

Many more more options are available. I see them in local store like Fry's 
etc. They still carry old AT style motherboards for people who just 
want to upgrade the motherboard with CPU memory and such.

And the last resort is surplus stores. Sometimes they carry new
motherboards, inventory leftovers or replacements from the upgrades, etc.

I doubt that your problems would show up as a strange sound under windows. 
It's more likely your windows simply needs reinstall. Who knows what 
happened, all it takes is some weird changes in the registry and the 
system is screwed. The only way to take care of it is to reinstall it.

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 10:29:00PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> I want to continue using hardware speech as long as possible, namely my
> double talk PC as the tripple talk pci isn't linux compatible. I'm getting
> a strange problem in windows, where if I type a long enough message, I'll
> get a loud continuous sound that changes pitch as you type through the PC
> speaker, making the assumption this mother board may not go much further.
> At 06:17 PM 12/12/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:51:25PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> 		Is there any adapter type devices out that will allow an isa card to work
> >> in a pci slot? I mean, something like stick the isa card in to a card that
> >> you put in to the pci slot?
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >Very unlikely IMO. I follow computer hardware to some degree and haven't
> >seen anything like that so far.
> >
> >The bus protocol, voltage for some lines, and logic are very different for
> >ISA or PCI so it's easier to just get the PCI card. Systems come with PCI
> >chipsets which have a bridge for ISA bus to support legacy systems but
> >that's done on the motherboard. While theoreticaly possible it would not
> >get very far in practice due to mechanical issues with it. You don't have
> >enough space and the right brackets to accomodate such an arangement.
> >
> >Depending on what you want to do, there might be an easier solution to 
> >your problem.
> >
> >-- 
> >Rafael

-- 
Rafael

Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Brent Harding]

Do I really need to reformat? Or can I just reinstall? It must just be that
the place I get my system serviced and where I got it may not seem to know
much. I discovered when they stuck a new CD drive in when my old one quit,
the new hardware messages came up when it was booted at home for the first
time, the strange sound I haven't got in quite awhile know came through the
internal speaker that normally only beeps out the self test on boot.
At 01:00 PM 12/13/01 -0800, you wrote:
>keeping old ISA based peripherals and interfaces around is not an issue
>yet. New motherboards still come with ISA bus. Depending on your computer 
>case you can choose betwen ATX style and older PC AT style motherboards 
>and power supplies. In case you want to upgrade or need to replace the 
>motherboard because of HW problems, I would suggest to migrate to ATX 
>style systems to keep you up to date for the next 5 to 10 years.
>
>Tyan motherboard http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinitykta.html for 
>example, has one ISA slot that you could use for legacy card.
>
>On the higher end would be Supermicro
>http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/RCC_LE/S2DL3.htm
>with ethernet and SCSI build in.
>
>Many more more options are available. I see them in local store like Fry's 
>etc. They still carry old AT style motherboards for people who just 
>want to upgrade the motherboard with CPU memory and such.
>
>And the last resort is surplus stores. Sometimes they carry new
>motherboards, inventory leftovers or replacements from the upgrades, etc.
>
>I doubt that your problems would show up as a strange sound under windows. 
>It's more likely your windows simply needs reinstall. Who knows what 
>happened, all it takes is some weird changes in the registry and the 
>system is screwed. The only way to take care of it is to reinstall it.
>
>On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 10:29:00PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> I want to continue using hardware speech as long as possible, namely my
>> double talk PC as the tripple talk pci isn't linux compatible. I'm getting
>> a strange problem in windows, where if I type a long enough message, I'll
>> get a loud continuous sound that changes pitch as you type through the PC
>> speaker, making the assumption this mother board may not go much further.
>> At 06:17 PM 12/12/01 -0800, you wrote:
>> >On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:51:25PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >> 		Is there any adapter type devices out that will allow an isa card
to work
>> >> in a pci slot? I mean, something like stick the isa card in to a card
that
>> >> you put in to the pci slot?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Very unlikely IMO. I follow computer hardware to some degree and haven't
>> >seen anything like that so far.
>> >
>> >The bus protocol, voltage for some lines, and logic are very different for
>> >ISA or PCI so it's easier to just get the PCI card. Systems come with PCI
>> >chipsets which have a bridge for ISA bus to support legacy systems but
>> >that's done on the motherboard. While theoreticaly possible it would not
>> >get very far in practice due to mechanical issues with it. You don't have
>> >enough space and the right brackets to accomodate such an arangement.
>> >
>> >Depending on what you want to do, there might be an easier solution to 
>> >your problem.
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >Rafael
>
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>Rafael
>
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Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Rafael]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 07:10:33PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> Do I really need to reformat? Or can I just reinstall? It must just be that

I don't understand what you mean by "need to reformat"? If you are 
replacing motherboard then you usualy do not need to reformat etc. If you 
replace CD drive then it should be recognized by most generic kernels.

> the place I get my system serviced and where I got it may not seem to know
> much. I discovered when they stuck a new CD drive in when my old one quit,
> the new hardware messages came up when it was booted at home for the first
> time, the strange sound I haven't got in quite awhile know came through the
> internal speaker that normally only beeps out the self test on boot.
> At 01:00 PM 12/13/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >keeping old ISA based peripherals and interfaces around is not an issue
> >yet. New motherboards still come with ISA bus. Depending on your computer 
> >case you can choose betwen ATX style and older PC AT style motherboards 
> >and power supplies. In case you want to upgrade or need to replace the 
> >motherboard because of HW problems, I would suggest to migrate to ATX 
> >style systems to keep you up to date for the next 5 to 10 years.

... the rest deleted

-- 
Rafael

Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Brent Harding]

No, I mean do I have to reformat the drive to fix the corrupted registry
junk? Strangely enough, uninstalling wineyes, reinstalling it, and putting
on a demo of jfw 4 did get eloquence functioning for me where it never did
before I ran a demo of norton utilities.
At 07:16 PM 12/13/01 -0800, you wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 07:10:33PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> Do I really need to reformat? Or can I just reinstall? It must just be that
>
>I don't understand what you mean by "need to reformat"? If you are 
>replacing motherboard then you usualy do not need to reformat etc. If you 
>replace CD drive then it should be recognized by most generic kernels.
>
>> the place I get my system serviced and where I got it may not seem to know
>> much. I discovered when they stuck a new CD drive in when my old one quit,
>> the new hardware messages came up when it was booted at home for the first
>> time, the strange sound I haven't got in quite awhile know came through the
>> internal speaker that normally only beeps out the self test on boot.
>> At 01:00 PM 12/13/01 -0800, you wrote:
>> >keeping old ISA based peripherals and interfaces around is not an issue
>> >yet. New motherboards still come with ISA bus. Depending on your computer 
>> >case you can choose betwen ATX style and older PC AT style motherboards 
>> >and power supplies. In case you want to upgrade or need to replace the 
>> >motherboard because of HW problems, I would suggest to migrate to ATX 
>> >style systems to keep you up to date for the next 5 to 10 years.
>
>... the rest deleted
>
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>
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Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Rafael]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:55:44AM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> No, I mean do I have to reformat the drive to fix the corrupted registry
> junk? Strangely enough, uninstalling wineyes, reinstalling it, and putting
> on a demo of jfw 4 did get eloquence functioning for me where it never did
> before I ran a demo of norton utilities.

This is beyond the scope of the Subject line as well as Linux mailing
list. I do not do windows and am proud of it. I do have some (bad)
experience with MS windows and in most cases reinstalling the OS was the 
only option. Try to copy a registry file to another windows box and 
reboot. Funny things happen.

Oh, Registry is not the only junk, the whole thing is a junk ;-)

-- 
Rafael

Re: isa to pci card adapter?

[Brent Harding]

I know. Just stuck with it for a few apps.
At 11:52 AM 12/14/01 -0800, you wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:55:44AM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> No, I mean do I have to reformat the drive to fix the corrupted registry
>> junk? Strangely enough, uninstalling wineyes, reinstalling it, and putting
>> on a demo of jfw 4 did get eloquence functioning for me where it never did
>> before I ran a demo of norton utilities.
>
>This is beyond the scope of the Subject line as well as Linux mailing
>list. I do not do windows and am proud of it. I do have some (bad)
>experience with MS windows and in most cases reinstalling the OS was the 
>only option. Try to copy a registry file to another windows box and 
>reboot. Funny things happen.
>
>Oh, Registry is not the only junk, the whole thing is a junk ;-)
>
>-- 
>Rafael
>
>
>
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