linux, and unix.

linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
charles

Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive

Re: linux, and unix.

[Gil Andre]

Hi,

Yes, this is possible, but only for the UNIX versions that run
on Intel (x86) CPU. As far as I know, this is possible for the
following UNIXes: SCO, Xenix, Solaris x86 (though I am not 100%
for Solaris).

If your version of Eudora runs under one of these UNIX OS, it
should be possible to run it under Linux -- but I have never
tried this. In any case, Linux itself has a lot of email programs
you can choose from -- mutt and pine are among the best email
clients you can use anywhere.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:36:34 -0600
<cbowman@netdoor.com> wrote:

> 
> hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
> that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
> or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> charles
> 
> Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> 

Hope this helps!

_______________________________________________

Gil Andre -- Technical Writer -- Knox Software
            gandre@arkeia.com
_______________________________________________

Re: linux, and unix.

[Raul A. Gallegos]

When you compile a program for one os it will not run on another os
without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For example the ls
command for linux is a different compiled version than the ls command in
Solaris.  Shell scripts for the most part run on any unix/linux os with
no problems.  Even shell scripts sometimes have to be tweaked though
because of the different shell you may run it on.

For example in some echo commands it will the the -n parameter and some
won't.

Best regards

cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:36:34AM -0600:
> 
> hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
> that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
> or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> charles
> 
> Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

-- 
Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important
stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)
        -- Linus Torvalds, about his failing hard drive on
linux.cs.helsinki.fi
-- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net - http://www.asmodean.net

Re: linux, and unix.

[Dave Mielke]

[quoted lines by cbowman@netdoor.com on December 11, 2001, at 10:36]

>I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
>programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not

Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as Unix any more. Unix is the name of
the original operating system, developed a couple of decades ago, which has
become the template for all of the variants with which we're now familiar.
There are many variatns, including: AIX, FreeBSD, HP-UX, Irix, Linux, SCO,
Solaris. It's really only correct to speak of an operating system as being
Unix-like, in which case Linux is as much Unix-like as any of the other
variants.

If you have a binary (an already compiled program) for some particular Unix
variant, it probably won't run on any of the others. If, howver, you have the
source code, then, assuming the application already runs on one of the Unix
variants, there's a high probability that it'll run on any of the others. Since
no Unix variant is exactly like any of the others, however, you may need to
make minor changes to the source code and/or the build process (usually a make
file) in order to get it to work.

>but, I had heard
>that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
>or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this?

If there's a "Unix" version, and that's really the way it's being presented,
then it's probably source code, and can undoubtedly be compiled and run on a
Linux system. If it's just a binary, then whoever's referring to it as a Unix
version doesn't really know what he's talking about as, rather, he should be
stating which variant of Unix it's been compiled for. Again, Linux is as much a
Unix-like system as any other system which is described as being Unix.

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Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks for letting me know.  we don't know if there is a version
for unix that was a roomer that we heard but, this is good to know. thanks
for the answer. 
charles 


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this is possible, but only for the UNIX versions that run
> on Intel (x86) CPU. As far as I know, this is possible for the
> following UNIXes: SCO, Xenix, Solaris x86 (though I am not 100%
> for Solaris).
> 
> If your version of Eudora runs under one of these UNIX OS, it
> should be possible to run it under Linux -- but I have never
> tried this. In any case, Linux itself has a lot of email programs
> you can choose from -- mutt and pine are among the best email
> clients you can use anywhere.
> 
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:36:34 -0600
> <cbowman@netdoor.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
> > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
> > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> > charles
> > 
> > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > 
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Gil Andre -- Technical Writer -- Knox Software
>             gandre@arkeia.com
> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
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> 

Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok here is a thought how can I see what version my isp is runing, and
if it is unix, or linux.   thanks alot. 
charles 


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> When you compile a program for one os it will not run on another os
> without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For example the ls
> command for linux is a different compiled version than the ls command in
> Solaris.  Shell scripts for the most part run on any unix/linux os with
> no problems.  Even shell scripts sometimes have to be tweaked though
> because of the different shell you may run it on.
> 
> For example in some echo commands it will the the -n parameter and some
> won't.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:36:34AM -0600:
> > 
> > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
> > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
> > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> > charles
> > 
> > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 
> -- 
> Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important
> stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)
>         -- Linus Torvalds, about his failing hard drive on
> linux.cs.helsinki.fi
> -- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net - http://www.asmodean.net
> 
> 
> 
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Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok i had heard of freebs but, I didn't know that was an os it's self I
thought it was just a firewall. ok, that shows what i know.  thanks for
the good info. 
charles 
f

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dave Mielke wrote:

> [quoted lines by cbowman@netdoor.com on December 11, 2001, at 10:36]
> 
> >I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> >programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not
> 
> Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as Unix any more. Unix is the name of
> the original operating system, developed a couple of decades ago, which has
> become the template for all of the variants with which we're now familiar.
> There are many variatns, including: AIX, FreeBSD, HP-UX, Irix, Linux, SCO,
> Solaris. It's really only correct to speak of an operating system as being
> Unix-like, in which case Linux is as much Unix-like as any of the other
> variants.
> 
> If you have a binary (an already compiled program) for some particular Unix
> variant, it probably won't run on any of the others. If, howver, you have the
> source code, then, assuming the application already runs on one of the Unix
> variants, there's a high probability that it'll run on any of the others. Since
> no Unix variant is exactly like any of the others, however, you may need to
> make minor changes to the source code and/or the build process (usually a make
> file) in order to get it to work.
> 
> >but, I had heard
> >that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
> >or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this?
> 
> If there's a "Unix" version, and that's really the way it's being presented,
> then it's probably source code, and can undoubtedly be compiled and run on a
> Linux system. If it's just a binary, then whoever's referring to it as a Unix
> version doesn't really know what he's talking about as, rather, he should be
> stating which variant of Unix it's been compiled for. Again, Linux is as much a
> Unix-like system as any other system which is described as being Unix.
> 
> -- 
> Dave Mielke           | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the
> Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario   | Word of God. Please contact me
> EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada  K2A 1H7   | if you're concerned about Hell.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: linux, and unix.

[Dave Mielke]

[quoted lines by cbowman on December 11, 2001, at 16:48]

>how can I see what version my isp is runing,

If you do "uname -s" (without the quotes) it'll tell you which variant of Unix
is being used.

-- 
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Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario   | Word of God. Please contact me
EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada  K2A 1H7   | if you're concerned about Hell.

Re: linux, and unix.

[L. C. Robinson]

While the other answers to your question are, for practical
purposes, fairly accurate, as far as they go, technically, there
actually are some binary compatibility features between Unixen.
Early on, Linux got a binary compatability module, to help with
the lack of application support from various vendors at that
time.  One can still find this in module form (sort of like a
driver), in /lib/modules/*/misc/iBCS.o, but it's not likely to be
used much anymore: the pendulum has now swung the other way; the
other Unixen are now providing similar modules and compatibility
features so that they can run Linux binary (compiled) programs.

Also, Unix is a now a brand name that belongs to a standards
group (Novell donated the brand, when they owned the primary
license rights).  In theory, a Linux distributor could work to
make their distribution completely Unix compliant, pay for the
testing to prove it, and get the actual Unix brand, but it would
be pointless -- a waste of money.  Linux is fast becoming the
de-facto standard for Unixen, having put the weaker Unix
companies out of business, and is now even a threat to Microsoft,
by their own admission.  Linux is now pushing the leading edge of
GUI innovation, and those desktop interfaces are being adopted by
the older commercial Unix companies that survive.  M$ continues
to lag way behind in this and other areas.

LCR

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> When you compile a program for one os it will not run on
> another os without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For
> example the ls command for linux is a different compiled
> version than the ls command in Solaris.  Shell scripts for the
> most part run on any unix/linux os with ...

> cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at
> 10:36:34AM -0600:
> > 
> > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run
> > some unix programs under linux I don't know if this is true,
> > or not but, I had heard [...]

-- 
L. C. Robinson
reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid

People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html

Re: linux, and unix.

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Charles,

Well, Linux is an implementation of UNIX, so any UNIX program should be 
able to work on Linux.  Eudora probably won't work if it uses a GUI; the X 
Window system is not practically accessible, yet.  Use programs like elm or 
pine instead.

Regards.

At 10:36 AM 12/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
>programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
>that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
>or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
>charles
>
>Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Blinux-list mailing list
>Blinux-list@redhat.com
>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

Re: linux, and unix.

[John G. Heim (26 2-9887)]

If you can log into your ISP via ssh or telnet you are probably running 
some form of unix or linux. Your ISP could be running Windows but then you 
wouldn't be able to log in and get a command prompt. (More accurately 
called a shell prompt.)

If you can log in via telnet or ssh, you can type:

    uname -a

In linux, you'll get all kinds of interesting info like operating system, 
version, date compiled, node name. But it's rare thsese days for an ISP to 
give subscribers shell accounts even if they are running linux. Few people 
know how to use them anyway and they're a security risk.

If you don't have a shell account, you could try going to the home page for 
your ISP. It often says something about the operating system the ISP is 
running.






At 04:48 PM 12/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>hi, ok here is a thought how can I see what version my isp is runing, and
>if it is unix, or linux.   thanks alot.
>charles
>
>
>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>
> > When you compile a program for one os it will not run on another os
> > without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For example the ls
> > command for linux is a different compiled version than the ls command in
> > Solaris.  Shell scripts for the most part run on any unix/linux os with
> > no problems.  Even shell scripts sometimes have to be tweaked though
> > because of the different shell you may run it on.
> >
> > For example in some echo commands it will the the -n parameter and some
> > won't.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 
> 10:36:34AM -0600:
> > >
> > > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> > > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had 
> heard
> > > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for 
> linux,
> > > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> > > charles
> > >
> > > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> > --
> > Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important
> > stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)
> >         -- Linus Torvalds, about his failing hard drive on
> > linux.cs.helsinki.fi
> > -- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net - http://www.asmodean.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
>
>
>
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608-262-9887

Re: linux, and unix.

[John G. Heim (26 2-9887)]

I went to google.com and searched for 'eudora linux'. That got me to 
eudora.com. I was kind of surprized there is a eudora.com because eudora is 
owned by a company called Qualcom. But the program was originally developed 
at a university (Illinois maybe?) and I think they're required to continue 
to provide a free version as long as the use the Eudora name.

Anyway, I don't think there's a version for linux. There were a couple of 
linux tools on the web site but I don't know what they were for. The Eudora 
download page has Windows and Mac OS versions but no linux.

It seems to me that Eudora is so GUI based that if there was a linux 
version, it would be for x-windws and therefore wouldn't be much use to us 
blind folk anyway.



At 04:44 PM 12/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>hi, ok thanks for letting me know.  we don't know if there is a version
>for unix that was a roomer that we heard but, this is good to know. thanks
>for the answer.
>charles
>
>
>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, this is possible, but only for the UNIX versions that run
> > on Intel (x86) CPU. As far as I know, this is possible for the
> > following UNIXes: SCO, Xenix, Solaris x86 (though I am not 100%
> > for Solaris).
> >
> > If your version of Eudora runs under one of these UNIX OS, it
> > should be possible to run it under Linux -- but I have never
> > tried this. In any case, Linux itself has a lot of email programs
> > you can choose from -- mutt and pine are among the best email
> > clients you can use anywhere.
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:36:34 -0600
> > <cbowman@netdoor.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> > > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had 
> heard
> > > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for 
> linux,
> > > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> > > charles
> > >
> > > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > >
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Gil Andre -- Technical Writer -- Knox Software
> >             gandre@arkeia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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WiscINFO Customer Service Coordinator
Division of Information Technology
jheim@doit.wisc.edu
608-262-9887

Re: linux, and unix.

[charles bowman]

hi, ok i see now. thanks for the good info here. this is good to know.
charles
At 04:43 PM 12/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>While the other answers to your question are, for practical
>purposes, fairly accurate, as far as they go, technically, there
>actually are some binary compatibility features between Unixen.
>Early on, Linux got a binary compatability module, to help with
>the lack of application support from various vendors at that
>time.  One can still find this in module form (sort of like a
>driver), in /lib/modules/*/misc/iBCS.o, but it's not likely to be
>used much anymore: the pendulum has now swung the other way; the
>other Unixen are now providing similar modules and compatibility
>features so that they can run Linux binary (compiled) programs.
>
>Also, Unix is a now a brand name that belongs to a standards
>group (Novell donated the brand, when they owned the primary
>license rights).  In theory, a Linux distributor could work to
>make their distribution completely Unix compliant, pay for the
>testing to prove it, and get the actual Unix brand, but it would
>be pointless -- a waste of money.  Linux is fast becoming the
>de-facto standard for Unixen, having put the weaker Unix
>companies out of business, and is now even a threat to Microsoft,
>by their own admission.  Linux is now pushing the leading edge of
>GUI innovation, and those desktop interfaces are being adopted by
>the older commercial Unix companies that survive.  M$ continues
>to lag way behind in this and other areas.
>
>LCR
>
>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>
> > When you compile a program for one os it will not run on
> > another os without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For
> > example the ls command for linux is a different compiled
> > version than the ls command in Solaris.  Shell scripts for the
> > most part run on any unix/linux os with ...
>
> > cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at
> > 10:36:34AM -0600:
> > >
> > > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run
> > > some unix programs under linux I don't know if this is true,
> > > or not but, I had heard [...]
>
>--
>L. C. Robinson
>reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid
>
>People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
>instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
>out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
>"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Blinux-list mailing list
>Blinux-list@redhat.com
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Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks for the good answer. I will keep this in mind. 
charles 


On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Darrell Shandrow wrote:

> Hi Charles,
> 
> Well, Linux is an implementation of UNIX, so any UNIX program should be 
> able to work on Linux.  Eudora probably won't work if it uses a GUI; the X 
> Window system is not practically accessible, yet.  Use programs like elm or 
> pine instead.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> At 10:36 AM 12/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> >programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had heard
> >that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for linux,
> >or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> >charles
> >
> >Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Blinux-list mailing list
> >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
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Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok I tried that and i found that I have something called  sunos  on my
shell account. is this linux, or atleast is this a good version? charles 


On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, John G. Heim (26 2-9887) wrote:

> If you can log into your ISP via ssh or telnet you are probably running 
> some form of unix or linux. Your ISP could be running Windows but then you 
> wouldn't be able to log in and get a command prompt. (More accurately 
> called a shell prompt.)
> 
> If you can log in via telnet or ssh, you can type:
> 
>     uname -a
> 
> In linux, you'll get all kinds of interesting info like operating system, 
> version, date compiled, node name. But it's rare thsese days for an ISP to 
> give subscribers shell accounts even if they are running linux. Few people 
> know how to use them anyway and they're a security risk.
> 
> If you don't have a shell account, you could try going to the home page for 
> your ISP. It often says something about the operating system the ISP is 
> running.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:48 PM 12/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >hi, ok here is a thought how can I see what version my isp is runing, and
> >if it is unix, or linux.   thanks alot.
> >charles
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> >
> > > When you compile a program for one os it will not run on another os
> > > without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For example the ls
> > > command for linux is a different compiled version than the ls command in
> > > Solaris.  Shell scripts for the most part run on any unix/linux os with
> > > no problems.  Even shell scripts sometimes have to be tweaked though
> > > because of the different shell you may run it on.
> > >
> > > For example in some echo commands it will the the -n parameter and some
> > > won't.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 
> > 10:36:34AM -0600:
> > > >
> > > > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> > > > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had 
> > heard
> > > > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for 
> > linux,
> > > > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> > > > charles
> > > >
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Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks for letting me know. i will let my friend know about this.  
charles 


On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, John G. Heim (26 2-9887) wrote:

> I went to google.com and searched for 'eudora linux'. That got me to 
> eudora.com. I was kind of surprized there is a eudora.com because eudora is 
> owned by a company called Qualcom. But the program was originally developed 
> at a university (Illinois maybe?) and I think they're required to continue 
> to provide a free version as long as the use the Eudora name.
> 
> Anyway, I don't think there's a version for linux. There were a couple of 
> linux tools on the web site but I don't know what they were for. The Eudora 
> download page has Windows and Mac OS versions but no linux.
> 
> It seems to me that Eudora is so GUI based that if there was a linux 
> version, it would be for x-windws and therefore wouldn't be much use to us 
> blind folk anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:44 PM 12/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >hi, ok thanks for letting me know.  we don't know if there is a version
> >for unix that was a roomer that we heard but, this is good to know. thanks
> >for the answer.
> >charles
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gil Andre wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, this is possible, but only for the UNIX versions that run
> > > on Intel (x86) CPU. As far as I know, this is possible for the
> > > following UNIXes: SCO, Xenix, Solaris x86 (though I am not 100%
> > > for Solaris).
> > >
> > > If your version of Eudora runs under one of these UNIX OS, it
> > > should be possible to run it under Linux -- but I have never
> > > tried this. In any case, Linux itself has a lot of email programs
> > > you can choose from -- mutt and pine are among the best email
> > > clients you can use anywhere.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:36:34 -0600
> > > <cbowman@netdoor.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some unix
> > > > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had 
> > heard
> > > > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this for 
> > linux,
> > > > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? thanks alot.
> > > > charles
> > > >
> > > > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hope this helps!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > Gil Andre -- Technical Writer -- Knox Software
> > >             gandre@arkeia.com
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Re: linux, and unix.

[Raul A. Gallegos]

SunOS is Sun's Operating System.  It most likely is SunOS 4.1.4 which is
a very old Operating system.  This is not Linux.  SunOS was used back in
my netcom.com shell account days in the very early 90's.  The problem
with SunOS is it has a lot of security holes.

Take care.

cbowman said the following on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600:
> hi, ok I tried that and i found that I have something called  sunos  on my
> shell account. is this linux, or atleast is this a good version? charles 
> 

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brlspeek version.

[cbowman]

hi, talking about that new version of linux that was shown the other day
here on the list for speech, and braille I have a cuppleof questions if
eanybody has tried that yet. firstly do you have to have a braille display
to use this as I don't have one. also, how is this version different then
other forms of lilnux and would it be idvisable to use this over another
version such as slackware? thanks alot. 
charles 

Re: linux, and unix.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks for letting meknow.  
charles 


On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> SunOS is Sun's Operating System.  It most likely is SunOS 4.1.4 which is
> a very old Operating system.  This is not Linux.  SunOS was used back in
> my netcom.com shell account days in the very early 90's.  The problem
> with SunOS is it has a lot of security holes.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> cbowman said the following on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600:
> > hi, ok I tried that and i found that I have something called  sunos  on my
> > shell account. is this linux, or atleast is this a good version? charles 
> > 
> 
> -- 
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> admin.  Anyone who has been putting off work until they got a round
> tuit now has no excuse for further procrastination.
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Re: linux, and unix.

[Dave Mielke]

[quoted lines by Raul A. Gallegos on December 12, 2001, at 12:13]

>SunOS is Sun's Operating System.  It most likely is SunOS 4.1.4 which is
>a very old Operating system.

Even Solaris systems say SunOs. Do "uname -r" to find out which release is
running. If the major release number is 5 or greater, then it's Solaris.

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Re: linux, and unix.

[John G. Heim (26 2-9887)]

I see that other people have replied to your question about whether it's 
linux or not. But it's definately a flavor of unix. So you'll be able to do 
most of the shell commands you see here.

I don't know how Sun OS compares to linux but just having the shell account 
is what really matters. You should be able to learn a lot about unix-like 
operating systems that way. There are so many things you might be able to 
do that it really depends on what you want to do.


At 12:07 PM 12/12/01 -0600, you wrote:
>hi, ok I tried that and i found that I have something called  sunos  on my
>shell account. is this linux, or atleast is this a good version? charles
>
>
>On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, John G. Heim (26 2-9887) wrote:
>
> > If you can log into your ISP via ssh or telnet you are probably running
> > some form of unix or linux. Your ISP could be running Windows but then you
> > wouldn't be able to log in and get a command prompt. (More accurately
> > called a shell prompt.)
> >
> > If you can log in via telnet or ssh, you can type:
> >
> >     uname -a
> >
> > In linux, you'll get all kinds of interesting info like operating system,
> > version, date compiled, node name. But it's rare thsese days for an ISP to
> > give subscribers shell accounts even if they are running linux. Few people
> > know how to use them anyway and they're a security risk.
> >
> > If you don't have a shell account, you could try going to the home page 
> for
> > your ISP. It often says something about the operating system the ISP is
> > running.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:48 PM 12/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >hi, ok here is a thought how can I see what version my isp is runing, and
> > >if it is unix, or linux.   thanks alot.
> > >charles
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> > >
> > > > When you compile a program for one os it will not run on another os
> > > > without some tweaking or a complete recompile.  For example the ls
> > > > command for linux is a different compiled version than the ls 
> command in
> > > > Solaris.  Shell scripts for the most part run on any unix/linux os with
> > > > no problems.  Even shell scripts sometimes have to be tweaked though
> > > > because of the different shell you may run it on.
> > > >
> > > > For example in some echo commands it will the the -n parameter and some
> > > > won't.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > cbowman@netdoor.com said the following on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at
> > > 10:36:34AM -0600:
> > > > >
> > > > > hi, I have a question. I had heard that it is posable to run some 
> unix
> > > > > programs under linux I don't know if this is true, or not but, I had
> > > heard
> > > > > that there is a unix version of eudora is there a version of this 
> for
> > > linux,
> > > > > or would the unix version work ok? has eanybody tried this? 
> thanks alot.
> > > > > charles
> > > > >
> > > > > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)
> > > >         -- Linus Torvalds, about his failing hard drive on
> > > > linux.cs.helsinki.fi
> > > > -- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net - http://www.asmodean.net
> > > >
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Re: linux, and unix.

[Cheryl Homiak]

On my system, debian, there is both a useradd and an adduser, a userdel
and a deluser. The adduser and deluser question you to get the info, while
useradd and userdel expect you to fill it all in on the command line.

userdel

[Cheryl Homiak]

Re-sending because I accidentally sent this using "reply" on a message
with the wrong subject.

> On my system, debian, there is both a useradd and an adduser, a userdel
> and a deluser. The adduser and deluser question you to get the info, while
> useradd and userdel expect you to fill it all in on the command line.
>
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Re: linux, and unix.

[L. C. Robinson]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> On my system, debian, there is both a useradd and an adduser, a userdel
> and a deluser. The adduser and deluser question you to get the info, while
> useradd and userdel expect you to fill it all in on the command line.

On Red Hat:

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            7 Nov 25  1999 /usr/sbin/adduser -> useradd
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        55016 Sep 22  1999 /usr/sbin/useradd

This is good, since I have trouble remembering which is which. <grin>

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Re: linux, and unix.

[Brent Harding]

Adduser and useradd are probably symbolically the same useradd program.
At 10:26 PM 12/12/01 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>
>> On my system, debian, there is both a useradd and an adduser, a userdel
>> and a deluser. The adduser and deluser question you to get the info, while
>> useradd and userdel expect you to fill it all in on the command line.
>
>On Red Hat:
>
>lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            7 Nov 25  1999 /usr/sbin/adduser
-> useradd
>-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        55016 Sep 22  1999 /usr/sbin/useradd
>
>This is good, since I have trouble remembering which is which. <grin>
>
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Re: Linux and Unix

[Jim Stevenson]

using unix Mail, what do I put in .mailrc to get the CC option after I finish
writting, instead of when I start?

If you quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to mine.

Thanks.

Re: Linux and Unix

[James R. Van Zandt]

Petra -

Tell your friend not to worry about it.  All the generic Unix commands
will be the same.  If he is used to the Solaris package manager, or
the Silicon Graphics text editor, then he will have new programs to
learn.  However, all the standard tools (ls, vi, emacs, tar, find,
sccs, rcs, etc.) will be there.  He may note that the annoying
limitations he has been working around are not present in the GNU
implementations.  (For example, you can use GNU sed to edit a binary
file without hitting "line too long" errors.)  He will probably find
fewer differences in moving to Linux than he would have moving from
Hewlett-Packard to IBM versions of Unix.

		       - Jim Van Zandt



>From: "Petra Ritter" <petra.ritter@freesurf.ch>
>Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:34:15 +0200
>
>Hello,
>
>My friend is intressted in seeing a Linux machine running Zipspeack 7.1.
>However he used Unix in the past, is there any thing that he should know
>about Linux before he starts to explor Zipspeack? I have downloadied the "
>Default Key Assignment Document" für Speack Up.
>
>e.g is there a doc of unix commands compare to Linux commands.
>
>Thenks P. Ritter
>
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Linux and Unix

[Petra Ritter]

Hello,

My friend is intressted in seeing a Linux machine running Zipspeack 7.1.
However he used Unix in the past, is there any thing that he should know
about Linux before he starts to explor Zipspeack? I have downloadied the "
Default Key Assignment Document" für Speack Up.

e.g is there a doc of unix commands compare to Linux commands.

Thenks P. Ritter